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deeproot Pinball thread


By pin2d

2 years ago



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#10751 30 days ago
Quoted from yancy:

Those look like crap too.
IN MY OPINION, relax people.

You are especially invited to come over too.

#10752 30 days ago

That backbox looks terrible!

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#10753 30 days ago

A touchscreen to interact with the player could be a really great idea. However, what they have with that hideous lockdown bar needs to be thrown in the trash. Sometimes innovation isn't worth it.
I might be in the minority but I'd rather see them leave the basics of pinball alone and just build some fun pins to play.

#10754 30 days ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

That backbox looks terrible!

I actually like the backbox for this theme. But please don't do it again.

#10755 30 days ago

Pretty unique pin and if it turns out to be a nice playing machine and priced fairly all you gals talking smack now will want one. Just the usual Pinside haters. Once Bob said what he said and hurt some feelings here he was never gonna win with some of you.

Ok girls now get back to your hate and tough talk! I’m sure Bob is shaking in his boots!

#10756 30 days ago
Quoted from pinballwil:

Use the new steep cabinet to make room for a bigger under glass world (and the apron lcd).

Stop complaining! This game has world (and flippers) under lockdown bar which is in an innovative industry first.

#10757 30 days ago

So re-reading the note from today. They considered this to be a beta review and are going back to the drawing board on this first game. That certainly implies at least months if not a year before we see another reveal. Not to mention that this is a single game. Hopefully they don't actually have multiple games at prototype stage that need to be redesigned to a new platform... Another reason the five games on day one release thing was an incredibly stupid idea.

And yes, that backbox looks terrible. I can just picture it shaking and rattling on those two small support posts. Whatever that thing is on the lockbar needs to go too. Haha, how could anybody think that is a good idea? It hurts my hands just looking at it and it blocks the view of the flippers for anyone less than seven feet tall.

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#10758 30 days ago
Quoted from teekee:

Pretty unique pin and if it turns out to be a nice playing machine and priced fairly all you gals talking smack now will want one. Just the usual Pinside haters. Once Bob said what he said and hurt some feelings here he was never gonna win with some of you.
Ok girls now get back to your hate and tough talk! I’m sure Bob is shaking in his boots!

Yeah Bob has a bit more to be worried about than what we think

Bob needs to account for this business to others

Shaking in his boots? Lol

Sorry Teekee, flipper days ala DR aren’t returning

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#10759 30 days ago
Quoted from John_I:

So re-reading the note from today. They considered this to be a beta review and are going back to the drawing board on this first game.

Re-read it again. "they" didn't consider this a "beta review" until their handpicked collection of eager-to-please-in-return-for-scoop pinball pundits let them know that it's a dumpster fire. It was decided this was a "beta review" around halftime of last night's Patriots game most likely.

You've gotta be looking at another year to redesign that cabinet into something playable. This was really supposed to be the actual game as it would ship, or they wouldn't have presented it to this crew with such fanfare. This is the game they planned on shipping innovation-hungry pinball buyers.

The time for a "beta review/focus group" was about 2 years ago, when Robert was telling us that we are all morons and that all the other pinball companies are doofuses who don't know anything about what today's buyers want and are staid dinosaurs stuck on lame outdated concepts like "makeable ramps" and "lockdown bars that don't draw blood and allow you to view flippers." They really could have used the feedback at that time, rather than now.

Let it sink in what an unprecedented pinball reveal disaster this is, when you consider the hype, the money spent, the time spent, the "A List" staff assembled, and the massive size of this entire project. Nothing even close. Not even Jpop bringing empty cabinets to a pinball show to calm his "investors." That wasn't accompanied by this kind of hype or promise.

#10760 30 days ago
Quoted from woody76:

This did not age well...
We want to personally thank Jody Dankberg, Stern's director of marketing and licensing, for this wake up call back in 2016:
"There are others trying to make pinball machines, I think it would be fantastic if someone else came along and was really successful at it. Because that would make an industry ... I want someone to be successful [as we] probably do 99.9 percent of the games shipped. That's not an industry, it's a monopoly." *
!! Challenge Accepted !!
Just a few days left in the pinball world Before deeproot...

Yea, wonder how that foot tastes!
Stern just ate there lunch and dinner.

#10761 30 days ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Why does everyone keep overlooking, Multimorphic P3?
Russell, you need to stop over sometime and play my Heist game and Lexi. Real pinball innovation is already here folks.

Invitation accepted. Seriously, we should get together some time soon, once it's safe and all.

#10762 30 days ago

I'd give them another pass as we have a good 6 months to see more noodling.

I'm curious what those paper shreds are on the touch screen.

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#10763 30 days ago
Quoted from hank527:

I'm curious what those paper shreds are on the touch screen.
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I believe those are reflections of lights on the ceiling.

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#10764 30 days ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

I believe those are reflections of lights on the ceiling.

Another innovation!

#10765 30 days ago

Reflections show the poor workmanship that's gone into that screen thing. It's not close to being even across the horizontal, and the gap between bezel and screen varies as well. I don't think you can even make something like that look good even if it wasn't warped.

#10766 30 days ago

Well.......that was interesting.

Where's the BEEF!!

#10767 30 days ago

This was my prediction yesterday...

Quoted from mbeardsley:

People here expecting multiple machines at prices of $3500 are out of their minds.
I believe we will just see a slightly-improved RAZA with more code/animations and an adjusted ramp. The pricing will be just below that of a Stern Premium (but they will talk about what a great "value" this is). Their big "innovation" will be that you can order it with a choice of armor colors, even though most of those choices will look bad with the colors of the actual machine.
There will also be a bunch of vague talk about "lots of other amazing titles" coming "soon", maybe with some pictures of artwork for those machines.
If you're lucky, they will give a definitive shipping date for RAZA, though I wouldn't be surprised if they simply say it will be "very soon".

...unfortunately I was way too optimistic.

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#10768 30 days ago

The entire cabinet design is tragic.

Amazing that they would waste engineering time on garbage like the new back box and the lock down bar.

#10769 30 days ago

crazylevi - did someone use a lockdown bar to beat you as a child? You've got it on for this

#10770 30 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Re-read it again. "they" didn't consider this a "beta review" until their handpicked collection of eager-to-please-in-return-for-scoop pinball pundits let them know that it's a dumpster fire. It was decided this was a "beta review" around halftime of last night's Patriots game most likely.
You've gotta be looking at another year to redesign that cabinet into something playable. This was really supposed to be the actual game as it would ship, or they wouldn't have presented it to this crew with such fanfare. This is the game they planned on shipping innovation-hungry pinball buyers.
The time for a "beta review/focus group" was about 2 years ago, when Robert was telling us that we are all morons and that all the other pinball companies are doofuses who don't know anything about what today's buyers want and are staid dinosaurs stuck on lame outdated concepts like "makeable ramps" and "lockdown bars that don't draw blood and allow you to view flippers." They really could have used the feedback at that time, rather than now.
Let it sink in what an unprecedented pinball reveal disaster this is, when you consider the hype, the money spent, the time spent, the "A List" staff assembled, and the massive size of this entire project. Nothing even close. Not even Jpop bringing empty cabinets to a pinball show to calm his "investors." That wasn't accompanied by this kind of hype or promise.

So this is where they made a grave mistake. Ship the damn game. Price it at cost or just above to lower expectations. The most absolute worst thing any company can do is to ship no product. Because the number one way you can guarantee failure is to sell nothing and ship nothing. Better is the enemy of good enough or even in this case not good enough. Now this has the possibility of catastrophically failing, but tell me that isn’t the likely outcome anyway. So better to go down with product in the world than no product. I mean even Suncoast and Thunderbirds is ahead of them on that count. What is most worrisome here is that their CEO should have enough sense to know what he has without having to ask people, if he has half a clue. And there should be people all around there going “this is not ready for prime time”. Reaching this conclusion at the 11th hour really only demonstrates total incompetence from top to bottom here. And the most incompetent move was hiring JPOP. When you have to have an entire team just to manage your designer and your designer is well know for not finishing games, man you are in trouble. Your investors are already gonna come with pitchforks at this point. At least demonstrate a game you can build and a customer, any customer really at any price, for what you have available to sell.

#10771 30 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

crazylevi - did someone use a lockdown bar to beat you as a child? You've got it on for this

Owning a stellar wars for a year was pretty traumatic.

#10772 30 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Owning a stellar wars for a year was pretty traumatic.

Yeah, Laser Ball was an easier time because it was such a bad game you rarely wanted to play it, hence less pain.

#10773 30 days ago
Quoted from pookycade:

Because the number one way you can guarantee failure is to sell nothing and ship nothing.

Maybe for some things but not for a pinball machine since they're not easilly returnable or serviced.

Better to wait and get it right.

If it's not good it won't sell well anyway. Look at Thunderbirds.

#10774 30 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Owning a stellar wars for a year was pretty traumatic.

I concur. Sharpest lockdown bar ever.

#10775 30 days ago
Quoted from metallik:

Yeah, Laser Ball was an easier time because it was such a bad game you rarely wanted to play it, hence less pain.

Lol

I at least liked stellar wars

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#10776 30 days ago
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#10777 30 days ago
Quoted from jarozi:

I hit that ramp seemingly clean and true many times and it only made it round maybe 1/5 times?

If it makes you feel better, I never made it . I played the one in the darker area.

#10778 30 days ago
Quoted from pookycade:

And the most incompetent move was hiring JPOP

I don't know about that, with this reveal, we are seeing incompetence reaching a whole new level

#10779 30 days ago
Quoted from ataritoday:

want to give props to spooky

Mega props to Spooky. Rock on guys

#10780 30 days ago

"Don't fall in love with a dreamer
'Cause he'll break you every time"

Kenny Rogers -Kim Carnes

A touch screen is innovative, interested to see how it integrates with the game.

#10781 30 days ago

Oh wow, 800 new posts today. Must be a great reveal to have so much activity here.
Opens thread. Fooled again.

#10782 30 days ago

I would have liked to see Magic Girl finished, this?
"Thats pretty low mister, if I had a rubber hose I would beat you.."

#10783 30 days ago

Everything’s on the butchers block today...

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#10784 30 days ago

Spooky is killing it, my second Spooky will be delivered shortly.

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#10785 30 days ago

Figured out where they got the design idea for the lock down bar.

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#10786 30 days ago
Quoted from Coz:

Judging by the fingerprints, I assume this is a touch screen?? Or is it reflections? What are your thoughts?
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Yes looks like reflections if I look at the stainless apron in front of it. Probably still a display though.

#10787 30 days ago

Looks like fingerprints .If it is that touch screen has something to do with the story like options on what path to take .If so I’m in !

#10788 30 days ago

The cabinet they made does look like the patent they took out in 2018. I'm betting they have a hinged playfield glass and lift out playfield. I don't see any rivets on the steel around the glass.

#10789 30 days ago

Nothing to see here
Move along !!

#10790 30 days ago

a touch screen in the lock bar area if location proof and nudge friendly
would be pretty cool!

#10791 30 days ago
Quoted from cpr9999:

Yes looks like reflections if I look at the stainless apron in front of it. Probably still a display though.

Could be a display so the player could keep an eye on the animations while making a shot since animations are for spectators and not the player while the ball is flying around the playfield.

#10792 30 days ago

You guys??? Are we forgetting something ??? Pictures of the patented service, articulating arm monstrosity!! Inside pictures, post em you get lots of focus group feedback, I know several dozen guys on here that can troubleshoot with only a picture.

#10793 30 days ago

Out of all the bets that have been made on this reveal for the last 2 weeks I don't think anyone got the combo No reveal AND fake Twitch link !

#10794 30 days ago

If Robert's giant name remains on the backbox, I'm 100% out no matter what. I mean, I'm 96% out as it stands, but if Deeproot wants that four percent chance, they need to present a game that doesn't remind me of an inflated ego every time I walk up to it.

#10795 30 days ago

Who does Robert answer to? Is this endeavor really his own personal chocolate factory or is there a board of directors somewhere watching him flush all this money down the tubes for years with nothing to show for it and no viable path to profitability chasing a personal dream/hobby?

#10796 30 days ago

So clearly deeproot became the laughing stock of the pinball world today. Even Dutch pinball probably has a more favorable impression in people's minds. So what are they going to do for damage control? Clearly they aren't close to shipping or revealing anything. Are we going to see another podcast interview that tries to retcon past statements and reframe the narrative? This is really fascinating.

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#10797 30 days ago

Deeproot and my oven look alike.

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#10798 30 days ago

Pinball is hard.. so is this lockdown bar. Don't hit it too hard or you'll cut your hand.

#10799 30 days ago

So having casually followed along the drama in this thread for the last few years... is this guy just mentally ill or something? Everything I’ve seen seems to go beyond egomaniac and narcissist with too much money.

Hope everyone that was screwed over by jpop get some resolution. If deeproot isn’t proof Karama exists I don’t know what is.

#10800 30 days ago
Quoted from Dkjimbo:

Who does Robert answer to? Is this endeavor really his own personal chocolate factory or is there a board of directors somewhere watching him flush all this money down the tubes for years with nothing to show for it and no viable path to profitability chasing a personal dream/hobby?

Did Deeproot take the COVID assistance? There’s your answer

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