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Quoted from iceman44:Delayed delivery to September due to Covid and interrupted supply chains
Next will be delayed delivery until TPF 2021 due to second wave of COVID in the fall.
Quoted from JodyG:Next will be delayed delivery until TPF 2021 due to second wave of COVID in the fall.
Jackpot!!!!!
Quoted from JodyG:Next will be delayed delivery until TPF 2021 due to second wave of COVID in the fall.
Actually to at least September.
Quoted from Mr68:I see it as a neutral omen for Deeproot
I'm kinda disappointed none of the spelling/grammar police got me on that one. Neutral Omen is an oxymoron I was proud to create.
Quoted from Mr68:I'm kinda disappointed none of the spelling/grammar police got me on that one. Neutral Omen is an oxymoron I was proud to create.
How could you make that mistake? What are ya, an oxy moron?
Is that better?
Quoted from iceman44:...Delayed delivery to September due to Covid...
Did they mention the year?
JK, wishing them the best.
Quoted from teekee:A 3-4 month delay seems very reasonable. I would assume this was expected.
LMFAO!
Hasn’t it been a 3-4 year delay!?
Quoted from teekee:No... this is in regards to the COVID issue that set everyone back. A 3-4 month delay is very understandable.
We've already had a 3-4 month delay due to COVID. This is another 3-4 month delay on top of the original 3-4 month delay. They were initially supposed to start production in April (Same as AP). Somehow American, Spooky, Dutch, and CGC are all able to overcome global supply chain issues and produce games, yet Deeproot can't. JJP is moving and setting up a new factory half way across the Country and will also likely beat DR to the punch.
Quoted from MikeS:We've already had a 3-4 month delay due to COVID. This is another 3-4 month delay on top of the original 3-4 month delay. They were initially supposed to start production in April (Same as AP). Somehow American, Spooky, Dutch, and CGC are all able to overcome global supply chain issues and produce games, yet Deeproot can't. JJP is moving and setting up a new factory half way across the Country and will also likely beat DR to the punch.
Why are you worried? Do you have preorder money sent in?
Quoted from PinballManiac40:Why are you worried? Do you have preorder money sent in?
I'm not worried. I just think it's time for Deeproot to shit or get off the pot. Aren't they the company that boasted that they would ship more games than Stern in 2019? I just want to see them start backing up some of their bluster. Honestly, if they would have taken a more humble approach instead of denigrating the other Pinball Companies in the process I would be more forgiving.
Quoted from MikeS:I'm not worried. I just think it's time for Deeproot to shit or get off the pot. Aren't they the company that boasted that they would ship more games than Stern in 2019? I just want to see them start backing up some of their bluster. Honestly, if they would have taken a more humble approach instead of denigrating the other Pinball Companies in the process I would be more forgiving.
I hear that. On top of that, I hate to see them rush out games and then scramble to resolve major issues on games they had shipped.
I looked passed those bold statements long ago, especially since JJP took 3 years to get WOZ out the door originally.
I plan to purchase a game and I sure would like to see the first few games go out with very few minor issues.
Quoted from iceman44:Speedy recovery for Barry!
Deeproot email update came this am
I did not get this and I'm on their email list. Can you post the exact wording?
Quoted from doghouse:I did not get this and I'm on their email list. Can you post the exact wording?
Zidware vapor owners received the email. I am sure something more public comes after all the owners have been contacted and a new resolution has been met for each one.
Some of you guys here are just the typical Pinside whiners. Bob made some comments here early on that hurt some feelings and now some are hoping for Deeproot failure.
Yes, the trials and tribulations of today’s sensitive society.
Quoted from teekee:Some of you guys here are just the typical Pinside whiners. Bob made some comments here early on that hurt some feelings and now some are hoping for Deeproot failure.
Yes, the trials and tribulations of today’s sensitive society.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/aw-jeez-official-rick-and-morty-club/page/81#post-5721867
Uncle Razor prescribes a teaspoon of Cement... and says Harden the Fu@# up!! 
People had the right to be offended by Bob... ... the rest of us are entitled to think it is reasonable for him to point out, and to not give Two Roots about peoples over-sensitivity! 
Deep root was going to show at TPF, they had a couple of prototypes out there , so they do have something . My guess is they are waiting to announce something until they are ready to ship . So they can keep their promise of , you can have it in 2 weeks . Or maybe Robert is just going to chuck it in and write it off as learning experience . But I doubt that .
I do find it amazing Deep root has so many experienced pinball people , millions of dollars and after a few years they still don't have anything you can buy .
Meanwhile - Damian at Haggis who knew nothing about pinball three years ago , has pretty much single-handedly built a quality game which is really fun . I would not have chosen the theme and I like a modern playfield with ramps but for a first time effort I would give him an A . It really is a quality , fun playing game .
Quoted from screaminr:I do find it amazing Deep root has so many experienced pinball people , millions of dollars and after a few years they still don't have anything you can buy .
Meanwhile - Damian at Haggis who knew nothing about pinball three years ago , has pretty much single-handedly built a quality game which is really fun . I would not have chosen the theme and I like a modern playfield with ramps but for a first time effort I would give him an A . It really is a quality , fun playing game .
Anything to buy? They barely have anything to show. Their website (and deeproot studios website) is a barely modified Wordpress template. Their last post on Instagram was in 2018 and they have zero presence on Facebook. They literally refer you to interviews on other sites to find out more information about the company...... in June of 2020 after most likely millions of dollars burned. The company is either mired by incompetent management, or lacks any kind of marketing forward business acumen. They may still pull a a miracle and pull some magic out of their hats, but what would you bet on at this point?
Quoted from okgrak:Anything to buy? They barely have anything to show. Their website (and deeproot studios website) is a barely modified Wordpress template. Their last post on Instagram was in 2018 and they have zero presence on Facebook. They literally refer you to interviews on other sites to find out more information about the company...... in June of 2020 after most likely millions of dollars burned. The company is either mired by incompetent management, or lacks any kind of marketing forward business acumen. They may still pull a a miracle and pull some magic out of their hats, but what would you bet on at this point?
What I’ve said all along: Whether on purpose or just a safety net, I think this business is a tax haven for the owner’s insurance business, to show massive losses to offset profits in that area
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:What I’ve said all along: Whether on purpose or just a safety net, I think this business is a tax haven for the owner’s insurance business, to show massive losses to offset profits in that area
It certainly seems that way. I'm no tax expert, but how else do you explain having a Parent LLC with multiple subsidiaries, including an art studio, contract manufacturer, pinball company and private equity funds in some convoluted business arrangement? Most likely the PE funds funnel money into the Pinball company, which then pay royalties to the Tech/Manufacturing LLC and the Art Studio. Any lawyers or tax experts here care to weigh in with a professional opinion?
Quoted from okgrak:It certainly seems that way. I'm no tax expert, but how else do you explain having a Parent LLC with multiple subsidiaries, including an art studio, contract manufacturer, pinball company and private equity funds in some convoluted business arrangement? Most likely the PE funds funnel money into the Pinball company, which then pay royalties to the Tech/Manufacturing LLC and the Art Studio. Any lawyers or tax experts here care to weigh in with a professional opinion?
IANAL, and lawyers are too smart to comment on wild inferences. I have no info, just seems like what one would do from a business standpoint.
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:IANAL, and lawyers are too smart to comment on wild inferences. I have no info, just seems like what one would do from a business standpoint.
Makes sense, just curious why other Pinball manufacturers are not setup this way. Stern Studios?
Quoted from screaminr:. So they can keep their promise of , you can have it in 2 weeks .
Sure, that way they can hang their hat on the one promise they did meet, forget about the dozens of other things they promised or said they would do. Of course that was part of a promise that over a year ago (or was it two?) we would see multiple models to choose from as well. Be interesting to see a list of all of the crazy ass promises and bluster from Robert, guess he is about 0/20 right now on following up on his bravado. Reality is despite Robert saying 'pinball is easy' (which of course he has backed off of and tried to dance around many time since, "pinball is easy, what we are doing is hard" -- yeah, right, whatever), and despite having massive resources in both money and experienced people, clearly pinball is a lot harder than he thought. Impossible to see how they can recover what they have already spent, but, been a fun story to watch and who knows where it will eventually lead to.
Quoted from spoke:Robert, guess he is about 0/20 right now on following up on his bravado.
I apologize, Robert does deserve credit for making good on his promise to refund jpop victims. Not sure all have been made whole, but, they did write checks to at least some, so, 1/20
Utrecht
Quoted from chad:Like a train in an old movie with greased tracks, just spinning with no advancement...
I was in India once, on the station i asked when the train was due to arrive, " Any minute now Sir" they kept repeating for 8 hours : D
Quoted from spoke:I apologize, Robert does deserve credit for making good on his promise to refund jpop victims. Not sure all have been made whole, but, they did write checks to at least some, so, 1/20
That’s fine with other people’s money
At some point it’s time to deliver something
No excuses
Quoted from PinballManiac40:Zidware vapor owners received the email. I am sure something more public comes after all the owners have been contacted and a new resolution has been met for each one.
Yeah, I was a Zidware customer. Going to email Robert.
Quoted from doghouse:Yeah, I was a Zidware customer. Going to email Robert.
Hoping you get a response.
Quoted from doghouse:Yeah, I was a Zidware customer. Going to email Robert.
Were you in on the initial Goodwill Agreement?
Quoted from Fulltilt:Were you in on the initial Goodwill Agreement?
Yes. No answer as of this morning.
Quoted from iceman44:Deeproot email update came this am
Delayed delivery to September due to Covid and interrupted supply chains
So maybe August ish announcement?
Week(s) since last lifesign: 1
(Yes, this one there counts! Resetting the countup.)
Quoted from VDrums2112:If Dennis Nordman ever quits, there's your sign that DeepRoot is in deep shit because that's the red flag that EVERYONE missed with the whole Heighway Shit Show.
-Steve
This aged well from two years ago. Post #822 in this thread.
Edmonton, AB
Quoted from jonesjb:Strange, they were ready to go earlier for the Texas Pinball festival right?
2021
Quoted from jonesjb:Strange, they were ready to go earlier for the Texas Pinball festival right?
Pinside is not the place to start applying logic.
Quoted from Fulltilt:Pinside is not the place to start applying logic.
There is no way to apply logic to Deeproot.
Quoted from Fulltilt:Pinside is not the place to start applying logic.
Quoted from JohnnyPinball007:There is no way to apply logic to Deeproot.
Where is the perfect place for deeproot then? 
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