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#8451 3 years ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

Unless the financial backing for both JJP and AP decide to absorb the hit...they will both go under this year. As far as deeproot goes, they will either continue to show they can operate in the red longer or they too may call it quits and never even launch. Stern has a ton of overhead which could be problematic as well. Spooky should be good at least thru the production of R&M...and then? Unfortunately, I do think there will be a thinning of the herd when it comes to manufacturers. Interesting times ahead for sure...I wish all in the business of pinball the best of luck...I’m pulling for you!

I hope everyone survives this.

In all the shit Deeproot gets, pinsiders tend to forget that a lot of people work there to build something, not to burn investment money from a drug cartel (because that's exactly what they do - not).
Everyone that is honestly working on something wants to see it out there and finished (and even if you think there are some frauds there, that can't possibly be everyone).

There are businesses that can not make up for their losses (like everything seasonal) but I don't think that general interest in pinball will change.
(If you're still able or willing to spare the money is another story.)

#8452 3 years ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

Unless the financial backing for both JJP and AP decide to absorb the hit...they will both go under this year.

That's a rather strong statement...do you have any special insight to support that?

JJP just moved it's operations to Illinois. This was probably a costly investment, to hopefully reduce future costs. You don't normally do that kind of thing if you are concerned that there may not BE a future.

Sure, the pandemic thing has thrown a wrench into everyone's plans, but that doesn't (necessarily) mean that it's the end of the line. JJP and AP both do have revenue streams, even if they are currently reduced.

Deeproot OTOH, has no such revenue stream (yet).

#8453 3 years ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

That's a rather strong statement...do you have any special insight to support that?
JJP just moved it's operations to Illinois. This was probably a costly investment, to hopefully reduce future costs. You don't normally do that kind of thing if you are concerned that there may not BE a future.
Sure, the pandemic thing has thrown a wrench into everyone's plans, but that doesn't (necessarily) mean that it's the end of the line. JJP and AP both do have revenue streams, even if they are currently reduced.
Deeproot OTOH, has no such revenue stream (yet).

Nope...just my opinion. I guess I should have wrote, “I feel they will both go under this year as I believe they both have already been struggling and this may be the nail in the coffin.” Sorry if it sounded like I had inside info, I do not. I also very much hope that I am wrong.

#8454 3 years ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

Unless the financial backing for both JJP and AP decide to absorb the hit...they will both go under this year. As far as deeproot goes, they will either continue to show they can operate in the red longer or they too may call it quits and never even launch. Stern has a ton of overhead which could be problematic as well. Spooky should be good at least thru the production of R&M...and then? Unfortunately, I do think there will be a thinning of the herd when it comes to manufacturers. Interesting times ahead for sure...I wish all in the business of pinball the best of luck...I’m pulling for you!

well said

Stern will probably be ok, but they have a perfect excuse to scale back (though you can't shrink a 120k square foot building so that overhead is fixed).

Based on history (capcom, data east, SEGA): JJP, DR, and american pinball's future all depend on what the investors want to do.

Spooky will be just fine. They have the least amount of overhead, they have nearly everything in-house now, the only supply chain issue they "might" have are boards (china). They are building rick and morty's for at least another year, and by then the pandemic will likely be very tame.

#8455 3 years ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

That's a rather strong statement...do you have any special insight to support that?

Lol, I only see strong Statements when I read your posts.

Both AP and JJP rely on financial backing. JJP is held alive by some private Investors who allready "saved" the company.

If they decide they don't want to further invest in the company, what will happen?

"If"

#8456 3 years ago

Website is still down. Seems any DNS issues would have resolved by now. Hmmmmm...

#8457 3 years ago
Quoted from Frax:

Worth noting, seems like their website is down, but I did see this on their domain record:

Updated Date: 2020-04-24T00:31:17Z

Quoted from SunKing:

Website is still down. Seems any DNS issues would have resolved by now. Hmmmmm...

Yeah, I've been following that also snice Frax pointed it out on April 26th. Good job, Frax @frax

Also down is Deeproot Tech
https://deeproottech.com/
Deeproot Funds
https://deeprootfunds.com/
And Deeproot Pinball
https://deeprootpinball.com/

The only one still up and running is Deeproot Studios but I don't see much there.
https://deeprootstudios.com/

#8458 3 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Yeah, I've been following that also snice Frax pointed it out on April 26th. Good job, Frax frax
Also down is Deeproot Tech
https://deeproottech.com/
Deeproot Funds
https://deeprootfunds.com/
And Deeproot Pinball
https://deeprootpinball.com/
The only one still up and running is Deeproot Studios but I don't see much there.
https://deeprootstudios.com/

pin2d would you kindly?

#8459 3 years ago

deeprootstudios.com is registered with GoDaddy and is active. The others are registered with eNom and are in transfer pending status. Giving the benefit of the doubt, it looks like they're consolidating their domains by transferring them all to a single registrar, which takes a few days to complete. They should've made sure their DNS records were in order before doing so, though.

#8460 3 years ago

I think its time to closedown this Boutique Deeproot tread.
AND OPEN a orignal Deeproot game manufacturers
link on pinside.
Because Raza is ready to ship.
So show us this Damm machine hahaha.
I can"t wait anymore.

#8461 3 years ago
Quoted from pinballwil:

I think its time to closedown this Boutique Deeproot tread.
AND OPEN a orignal Deeproot game manufacturers
link on pinside.
Because Raza is ready to ship.
So show us this Damm machine hahaha.
I can"t wait anymore.

That’s exactly my thought.

#8462 3 years ago
Quoted from pinballwil:

I think its time to closedown this Boutique Deeproot tread.
AND OPEN a orignal Deeproot game manufacturers
link on pinside.
Because Raza is ready to ship.
So show us this Damm machine hahaha.
I can"t wait anymore.

LOLZ

#8463 3 years ago

A countdown clock should be started . 1

#8464 3 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Yeah, I've been following that also snice Frax pointed it out on April 26th. Good job, Frax frax
Also down is Deeproot Tech
https://deeproottech.com/
Deeproot Funds
https://deeprootfunds.com/
And Deeproot Pinball
https://deeprootpinball.com/
The only one still up and running is Deeproot Studios but I don't see much there.
https://deeprootstudios.com/

The website specific to to one of their investment funds (the "575" fund) is also still down.
the575.com

#8465 3 years ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

Lol, I only see strong Statements when I read your posts.
Both AP and JJP rely on financial backing. JJP is held alive by some private Investors who allready "saved" the company.
If they decide they don't want to further invest in the company, what will happen?
"If"

I think some of this is common sense. How much debt do each of these companies have? What do future cash flows look like?

All of it is not good. At best, we are 2 to 3 months away from many places opening where pinball machines are located. Then many of us have reduced income so the home market is not going to be nearly as strong. I'm not buying games until my income comes back. I'm now more of a seller if anyone is interested.

Forget about pinball shows in short term as well.

We know these statements to be logical.

Now the only conclusion one can draw is we will see some companies struggle and possibly go under.

How bad will it be is the main question.

If I had to bet on anyone, it would be Spooky and Stern as both companies can go very nimble, if needed.

#8466 3 years ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

pin2d would you kindly?

I asked about this and was told their provider bricked the server and it is taking forever to fix.

#8467 3 years ago
Quoted from pin2d:

I asked about this and was told their provider bricked the server and it is taking forever to fix.

Multi millions in investments and they dont have warm backups? Scary!

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#8468 3 years ago

Who cares about their web server, this whole internet fad will blow over soon anyway...

#8469 3 years ago
Quoted from pin2d:

I asked about this and was told their provider bricked the server and it is taking forever to fix.

uuuuuh.. What? That is either a gross, negligent oversight by the provider, or BS.

#8470 3 years ago

The company I work for had our web sites all crash yesterday also, and have yet to be restored. Much larger company than the sum of all the Deeproot operations. So I am off the conspiracy train on this one.

#8471 3 years ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

uuuuuh.. What? That is either a gross, negligent oversight by the provider, or BS.

You're onto a big scoop.
Do a one hour podcast about it!

#8472 3 years ago
Quoted from JodyG:

The company I work for had our web sites all crash yesterday also, and have yet to be restored. Much larger company than the sum of all the Deeproot operations. So I am off the conspiracy train on this one.

If your websites have gone down too, obviously you're PART of the conspiracy!

#8473 3 years ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

You're onto a big scoop.
Do a one hour podcast about it!

LOL

#8474 3 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Yeah, I've been following that also snice Frax pointed it out on April 26th. Good job, Frax frax
Also down is Deeproot Tech
https://deeproottech.com/
Deeproot Funds
https://deeprootfunds.com/
And Deeproot Pinball
https://deeprootpinball.com/
The only one still up and running is Deeproot Studios but I don't see much there.
https://deeprootstudios.com/

All of these deeproot websites were/are impacted by their DNS server being offline

deeprootfunds.com
policy-services.net
sweepacct.com
thequeue.com
the575.com
deeproottech.com
deeprootadvisory.com
nationalwealthsolutions.com
deeprootpinball.com
deeprootcapital.com
sensibleestate.com
deeprootadvisors.com
keynotelife.com

But they did have some of their stuff (like deeprootstudios) hosted elsewhere...

#8475 3 years ago

A good chunk of companies are going to receive support from governments bases on government imposed shutdowns. These guys will get support, and the USD petro/China-backed currency can take it. 2008 taught us that. JJP will be fine. Deeproot can maybe claim some startup debt scenario. Hell, they're giving corps that had record profits cash. Uncle Sam will bring that ol' socialism demon into the mix.

Or... Deeproot dies and Jack gives us another family friendly pinball machine that we don't want. There... I said it. I'm not a Jack nut-hugger.

Jeez. I've been driking.

#8476 3 years ago

Good to see it was a DNS/server flub after all, I guess. Been there, done that, way back when I bothered keeping my own domain. Took like a month to get it all fixed....they then deleted my entire website a year or so later, and at that point, I was just done with having a website for anything. Don't regret getting rid of it.

#8477 3 years ago
Quoted from Frax:

I was just done with having a website for anything. Don't regret getting rid of it.

I was glad to get rid of my website too and I got incredibly lucky with it. After I sold my business I had my web designer take everything down and put up a simple, This Website For Sale, along with my email. It was a total long shot and I expected to just let it expire. But about 2-3 months later I sold it to music company for a stupid price. - I'd rather be lucky than smart.

Congrats Deeproot, you're back up and running. How about giving us a taste? Multimorphic didn't let the Coronavirus or the TPF closing stop them from coming out with their new machine, Heist.

#8478 3 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

I was glad to get rid of my website too and I got incredibly lucky with it. After I sold my business I had my web designer take everything down and put up a simple, This Website For Sale, along with my email. It was a total long shot and I expected to just let it expire. But about 2-3 months later I sold it to music company for a stupid price. - I'd rather be lucky than smart.
Congrats Deeproot, you're back up and running. How about giving us a taste? Multimorphic didn't let the Coronavirus or the TPF closing stop them from coming out with their new machine, Heist.

I would've tried to sell my domain, but I was lucky that I got to own it at all.....both of them actually. I had Wizzrobe.com (Wizzrobe is an enemy from Zelda!) and olthoi.com (another video game monster from a MMO game that ran for 15 years). Either of those could've easily been taken by Nintendo or Turbine. Wasn't sure what the legality was of trying to sell them since I didn't own the copyrights, obviously, so I just let them lapse and go away.

#8479 3 years ago

Dang.. put it off till 62 new posts. Nothin’
Except I need to secure a good website name and sell it.

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#8480 3 years ago

It's been a while.

#8481 3 years ago
Quoted from BobSacamano:

The financial crisis in 2008 exposed the Madoff Ponzi scheme.
I predict our impending financial crisis will expose this one.
And then we'll hear the echos of... "I fell for a JPop... TWICE!?"

Expose what? Deeproot didn’t take any preorder money and actually did quite the opposite...they returned people the money they lost through Zidware!

#8482 3 years ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

Expose what? Deeproot didn’t take any preorder money and actually did quite the opposite...they returned people the money they lost through Zidware!

Anxiously awaiting the 5 Days of Deeproot!

#8483 3 years ago
Quoted from BobSacamano:

Where do you think the "Private Equity" money is coming from?
If Deeproot learned one thing from SkitB, JPop, Heighway, etc... it's that the pre-order money from buyers was a burnt bridge. So the money had to come from somewhere else:
https://deeprootfunds.com/
The people who's retirement plans are funding this folly, probably have no idea who JPop is or that pinball is still a thing.
The first post in this thread was around 832 days ago. Lots of outlandish promises and how many games shown or delivered?
EDIT: I just re-read the interview linked to in the first post in this thread and see that it goes back way further than 2018.
https://www.thisweekinpinball.com/exclusive-interview-deeproot-next-misadventure-pinball-revolution/

L OH F'IN L

What’s so funny???

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#8484 3 years ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

What’s so funny???

Because after proclaiming "pinball is easy", two and a half years later, all they have is a prototype of a not-very-impressive machine.

#8485 3 years ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

Because after proclaiming "pinball is easy", two and a half years later, all they have is a prototype of a not-very-impressive machine.

When you played it what did you not like about it? I was hoping to play one at TPF but life happens.

#8486 3 years ago
Quoted from BobSacamano:

Where do you think the "Private Equity" money is coming from?
If Deeproot learned one thing from SkitB, JPop, Heighway, etc... it's that the pre-order money from buyers was a burnt bridge. So the money had to come from somewhere else:
https://deeprootfunds.com/
The people who's retirement plans are funding this folly, probably have no idea who JPop is or that pinball is still a thing.
The first post in this thread was around 832 days ago. Lots of outlandish promises and how many games shown or delivered?
EDIT: I just re-read the interview linked to in the first post in this thread and see that it goes back way further than 2018.
https://www.thisweekinpinball.com/exclusive-interview-deeproot-next-misadventure-pinball-revolution/

L OH F'IN L
Move over P.T. Barnum, you've got competition.

Lol @ “sure why not.”

#8487 3 years ago

Unfortunately, deeproot was about 10 days from their official launch event when this shitstorm started. Hopefully they are still able to operate in the red for a bit longer and still launch.

#8488 3 years ago
Quoted from BobSacamano:

the money had to come from somewhere else:
https://deeprootfunds.com/
The people who's retirement plans are funding this folly,

If it’s true the fund has people’s retirement money in it that would be interesting. How did you determine the make up of the fund?

#8489 3 years ago
Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

How did you determine the make up of the fund?

I did not. I have zero inside knowledge as to who specifically has invested in the private equity funds.

I will go ahead and remove that, because it could be read as such, and then it will be repeated on a podcast as "BREAKING NEWS".

I was flippantly referring to one sort of investor (pension / retirement plans) that has been known to invest in private equity.

It could be all Bill Gate's money as far as I know.

#8490 3 years ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

they returned people the money they lost through Zidware!

While this is partially true, I think further explanation is needed. They returned *some* of the money and only to a few. As I recall, only 2 or 3 Pinsiders posted how they received their refund check. I'm certain that is not a full accounting but it is an indicator of how much has been paid. While I give them major props for doing that, it seems to me to be a drop in the bucket.

My guess is the majority of people opted to get a game instead of a refund. In other words, people have now returned to biting their fingernails while playing another waiting game.

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#8491 3 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

While this is partially true, I think further explanation is needed. They returned *some* of the money and only to a few. As I recall, only 2 or 3 Pinsiders posted how they received their refund check. I'm certain that is not a full accounting but it is an indicator of how much has been paid. While I give them major props for doing that, it seems to me to be a drop in the bucket.
My guess is the majority of people opted to get a game instead of a refund. In other words, people have now returned to biting their fingernails while playing another waiting game.

It’s absolutely mind-boggling to me that 100 percent of these victims didn’t jump at the chance to get their money back. When they lose their dough for good, or (even worse) are subjected to having a RAZA shipped to them in 5 years, they’ll have nobody to blame but themselves this time Around.

#8492 3 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

My guess is the majority of people opted to get a game instead of a refund. In other words, people have now returned to biting their fingernails while playing another waiting game.

That was their choice.

#8493 3 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

It’s absolutely mind-boggling to me that 100 percent of these victims didn’t jump at the chance to get their money back. When they lose their dough for good, or (even worse) are subjected to having a RAZA shipped to them in 5 years, they’ll have nobody to blame but themselves this time Around.

I completely agree and would have taken the money myself, but I’ve never been much of a gambler. I do think this will still work out for those that opted for the pins.

#8494 3 years ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

I completely agree and would have taken the money myself, but I’ve never been much of a gambler. I do think this will still work out for those that opted for the pins.

Steve Miller band summed it nicely, "Take the money and run".

#8495 3 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

My guess is the majority of people opted to get a game instead of a refund. In other words, people have now returned to biting their fingernails while playing another waiting game.

That pretty well nails it.... waiting for Pigs to Fly again.

#8496 3 years ago

No Sledge Hammer! or other games for sale yet?

Looks like I'll have to spend all that government stimulus money elsewhere.

2 weeks later
#8497 3 years ago

Heard on the "he who shall not be named" Podcast that Texas is reopening...

...sooo...

...uh, while I do understand that you can't just "flip a switch" and pump machines out, I do not understand that the website has not been updated since March 16th.

RM did say that they want to use that hunger for new stuff when the Covid ban lifts, so... better do it quickly.
At least update the website, with a "Get ready (for a new countdown)!" headline.

#8498 3 years ago

Oh boy I hope that countdown clock starts ticking again!

#8499 3 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Oh boy I hope that countdown clock starts ticking again!

Does anyone care at this point? All we get is noise and empty promises.

#8500 3 years ago
Quoted from hank527:

Does anyone care at this point? All we get is noise and empty promises.

Good question. With this kind of communication from DR: none. I don’t.

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