Okay, well let me restate my side, maybe this will come out better in a way more people can understand, and less confrontational. I'll try and keep it simple, and this is the last thing I'm going to say until after TPF on the matter....
I don't like the way Deeproot initially came out swinging, because it very much reminded me of how Skit-B, JPOP, and Heighway started out. I'm glad they seem to have backed off that for a good while now.
I did not DEMAND a tour..I offered to go down there and see what they were about if they were willing to let me. I said, openly, on the forums, that I would even sign a NDA if that's what they wanted. Not that I'd ever leak something given to me in confidence anyways, but I do understand they likely have some secrets they'd like to keep a lid on.
I'm VERY happy for the RAZA people that are getting something that would've otherwise been totally screwed.
What I'd like to see is their actual product, and for other people to stop with the fanboy evangelism, until they actually have a product available instead of just finishing what Jpop made a disaster out of. I want to know if they're using industry standard parts, or are going to go along with John's crazy ideas of reinventing everything that works perfectly fine. Are these machines going to be serviceable, and are they going to be able to offer up support over the years, not flame out like Heighway after two games, or not?
Most importantly: I DON'T WANT TO BE RIGHT WITH MY SKEPTICISM HERE. SERIOUSLY. I want the hobby to grow, and we NEED more competition for that to happen. I honestly thought JJP launching would bring down prices, and they just went even higher. I really didn't see them going off the rails into uber-boutique stuff and leaving Stern in the dust, giving them even more room to raise prices! Right now Spooky is the only one making games at a reasonable price. There are big holes in the pricing structures between Spooky, Stern, JJP.....which leaves plenty of room for new guys to play with BOM, manufacturing method, etc. to either undercut, or offer more for the same price. I already moved from an opinion of "There's no way in hell Deeproot will do anything at all." to more like "Huh, that's some interesting stuff. Hopefully they have something more than RAZA lined up behind the curtain."
These are things we should all want to know, I would hope? I just don't feel like the blind supportive fanboyism does anything useful. It doesn't answer the questions we need to know, doesn't provide any insight into the future of this company, etc.
I'm arguing from going from "blind supportive fanboyism" down a few notches to "cautiously optimisic." Let's see what they can do, when they actually have something to show, and games to ship. Let the RAZA people get their stuff. See if they can get a few games out the door in a reasonable timeframe after they're announced, and support those warranties (if they offer them). If they can do that stuff, then I'll be celebrating with everyone else. If not.....well...we all kind of lost, regardless of whether or not money was spent.
And that's all I've got to say, so whatever. Don't agree...great. Do agree...great.