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deeproot Pinball thread


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#5301 32 days ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

The first game is going to be called “Tax Shelter”

Games 2 and 3 will be chapter 7 and 11!

BTW Im not a bankruptcy lawyer, so I shall not cease, nor desist.

#5302 31 days ago
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#5303 31 days ago

I hope not ist a zizzle game for 3.5k
Or a standard machine voor 8k.
They sell games from 3.5k to 15k.
Can't wait to see how the pricing is.

#5304 31 days ago
Quoted from pinballwil:

I hope not ist a zizzle game for 3.5k
Or a standard machine voor 8k.
They sell games from 3.5k to 15k.
Can't wait to see how the pricing is.

Given the talent they have amassed, there’s no way this is Zizzle 2.0. I’m patiently, and eagerly, awaiting to see what they have - even if this is just a prototype.

What I *really* want to see is the “innovations” we keep hearing about. 99.9999% sure we won’t see that at Houston, but hope it’s not far behind.

#5305 31 days ago
Quoted from cjchand:

Given the talent they have amassed, there’s no way this is Zizzle 2.0. I’m patiently, and eagerly, awaiting to see what they have - even if this is just a prototype.
What I *really* want to see is the “innovations” we keep hearing about. 99.9999% sure we won’t see that at Houston, but hope it’s not far behind.

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#5306 31 days ago
Quoted from cjchand:

Given the talent they have amassed, there’s no way this is Zizzle 2.0. I’m patiently, and eagerly, awaiting to see what they have - even if this is just a prototype.
What I *really* want to see is the “innovations” we keep hearing about. 99.9999% sure we won’t see that at Houston, but hope it’s not far behind.

It’s far beyond. They are so innovative that they’ve out innovated themselves.

#5307 31 days ago

Maybe they will put jpop in a box and call it the d!¢k in a box pinball.....

#5308 31 days ago
Quoted from cjchand:

Given the talent they have amassed, there’s no way this is Zizzle 2.0. I’m patiently, and eagerly, awaiting to see what they have - even if this is just a prototype.

I'd would love to see a hint of the next available games too.
The Deeproot agreement sends me two games for my loss with Zidware. Only potential positives there.

#5309 31 days ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

Yeah, let me write an abstract about that [Podcast with Steve Bowden].
- It‘s only a Prototype (2)
- It will have art on it (!!!)
- Animations will blow you away...
- ...but it‘s only a prototype! (Laughing)

And to abstract the interview with Robert Müller from Looser Kid Podcast:

- It's a prototype, with the best innovations (mechs) missing... BUT IT'LL ALLREADY BE WAY BETTER THEN THE COMPETITION!!!

Ah, I missed that!

Looking forward to the weekend.

#5310 31 days ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

And to abstract the interview with Robert Müller from Looser Kid Podcast:
- It's a prototype, with the best innovations (mechs) missing... BUT IT'LL ALLREADY BE WAY BETTER THEN THE COMPETITION!!!
Ah, I missed that!
Looking forward to the weekend.

When did he say that? Here is what he said: « I hope you see something that is pretty much on the level where every other game is »

What is the point with bashing couple days before the reveal? After all this time with nothing to say, let’s wait this week end.
I really don’t get some post sometimes...

#5311 31 days ago

Will see what next Monday brings.
News, info, pics. Then we can bitch about that.
Im waiting for Alice. No intrest in zombies.
Theme sounds outdated at this point.

#5312 31 days ago
Quoted from noitbe1:

When did he say that? Here is what he said: « I hope you see something that is pretty much on the level where every other game is »
What is the point with bashing couple days before the reveal?

I'm not bashing (never was in this whole thread) and you're holding back the two following sentences he said as well as the whole context (wich is what you use to do an "abstract", you do a "citation" and a shortened one ion favor of your point).

So for the part you kept under wraps:
"We could (if we wanted) sell the prototypes as-is and compete 1 with the best of the competition. However, what those games will not have, is/are most of the innovations that we will not show yet."

So for what I wrote:
"It's a prototype, with the best innovations (mechs) missing... BUT IT'LL ALLREADY BE WAY BETTER THEN THE COMPETITION!!!"

Yeah "compete 1" is not "way better" but for that you have to include what he'd told about other production values.

Basically: I'm right.

And again: I'm not bashing. The opposite. I'm looking forward to the reveal. It'd be not the wisest thing to allready (again) begin to kinda brag and heighten expectations if they'd not really have to show something. They have enough talent to deliver and I'm the only one in this thread that still admits he'd want a new Popadiouk machine.

#5313 31 days ago
Quoted from adol75:

It’s far beyond. They are so innovative that they’ve out innovated themselves.

So innovative, that they are suing themselves for patent infringement!! They cant keep up...

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#5314 31 days ago

Why bother showing a watered down, mech missing prototype?

#5315 31 days ago

VR has gotten so big I think that is what they are doing. It will take you 20 minutes to suit up with all the gear to play the machine and it will be so awesome.

But really, who knows, that could be happening with what I have read here with them hiring lots of talent and saying they are turning pinball into the next level.

#5316 30 days ago
Quoted from vicjw66:

Why bother showing a watered down, mech missing prototype?

Because JPop's fairy dust mechs don't work.

#5317 30 days ago
Quoted from vicjw66:

Why bother showing a watered down, mech missing prototype?

Good grief. More strategy from the jpop playbook. No one else does this.

#5318 30 days ago
Quoted from JohnnyPinball007:

VR has gotten so big I think that is what they are doing. It will take you 20 minutes to suit up with all the gear to play the machine and it will be so awesome.
But really, who knows, that could be happening with what I have read here with them hiring lots of talent and saying they are turning pinball into the next level.

I could see some type of augmented reality over VR. I'm not sure how much I would want that in my pinball machine, but I would certainly play it to find out.

#5319 30 days ago
Quoted from rubberducks:

Because JPop's fairy dust mechs don't work.

Maybe they only work for people over the age of 70, similar to the life insurance policies that Deeproot capital buys to fund their pinball operations.

#5320 30 days ago
Quoted from thirdedition:

I could see some type of augmented reality over VR. I'm not sure how much I would want that in my pinball machine, but I would certainly play it to find out.

AR pinball came out in 1999.
Revenge From Mars
Star Wars Episode I

#5321 30 days ago
Quoted from vicjw66:

Why bother showing a watered down, mech missing prototype?

I feel they have to show “something” but yeah it’s a head scratcher as to why they don’t have one complete game yet

#5322 30 days ago
Quoted from iceman44:

I feel they have to show “something” but yeah it’s a head scratcher as to why they don’t have one complete game yet

Especially since AP had TWO games almost complete by this same time frame

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#5323 30 days ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

Especially since AP had TWO games almost complete by this same time frame

And the 10 Magic Girl games they initially built.

LTG : )

#5324 30 days ago

Sure, but I'm thinking more on the scale of Pinball FX, put on glasses and things outside of the pinball machine come alive as well.

#5325 29 days ago
Quoted from iceman44:

I feel they have to show “something” but yeah it’s a head scratcher as to why they don’t have one complete game yet

When jjp revealed Potc the hype meter went through the roof , when it finally shipped around a year later all the hype had evaporated . Looks like DR might be making the same mistake .

#5326 29 days ago

They have promised so much, but delivered nothing.

At the very least they need to show something that creates genuine excitement going forward.

#5327 29 days ago
Quoted from screaminr:

When jjp revealed Potc the hype meter went through the roof , when it finally shipped around a year later all the hype had evaporated . Looks like DR might be making the same mistake .

And that was AFTER JJP had delivered three machines and had developed a good track record. Deeproot has shipped nothing at all.

#5328 29 days ago
Quoted from vireland:

And that was AFTER JJP had delivered three machines and had developed a good track record. Deeproot has shipped nothing at all.

If they come up with something as good as those three I'd be happy

#5329 29 days ago

When you see this partially complete game next week, remember...this is what years of work and $750k a month in costs have produced.

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#5330 29 days ago

Sorry,

I do not consider a CRT wedged into the back of a pinball cabinet AR

AR is a lot Deeper than 99 Tech

#5331 29 days ago
Quoted from RA77:

Sorry,
I do not consider a CRT wedged into the back of a pinball cabinet AR
AR is a lot Deeper than 99 Tech

Depends on what you're smoking

#5332 29 days ago
Quoted from JodyG:

When you see this partially complete game next week, remember...this is what years of work and $750k a month in costs have produced.

What does it matter to the consumer?

#5333 29 days ago
Quoted from RA77:

Sorry,
I do not consider a CRT wedged into the back of a pinball cabinet AR
AR is a lot Deeper than 99 Tech

You have every right to be wrong.

Edit:
It's of course not the TV Set (the way it is made) but the reflection.
And if it is a reflection on the glas or the glasses are on your nose are no different in terms of definition of "augmented reality".

#5334 29 days ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

What does it matter to the consumer?

Confidence in the long term prospects for the company. Whether they'll be around to support their product. Replacement part availability for all their unique pieces. "10 year warranty" that means more than the paper it's printed on.

#5335 29 days ago

You can put that argument either way.

They took/ take their time. That can be very positive if that means they want to do it right.

We see what is happening when you don't take the time to let glue, clearcoat etc. dry or hastily reveal a prototype that has way more mechs in it then the production machine.

Basically: Wait and see.

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#5336 29 days ago

They've promised so much, bashed on everyone else for doing it wrong, and claimed they could deliver a Ferrari in a fraction of the time for the price of a Yugo. I expect them to deliver nothing less or they might as well stay home...

My 2 cents...
Jaz

#5337 29 days ago
Quoted from Jazman:

They've promised so much, bashed on everyone else for doing it wrong, and claimed they could deliver a Ferrari in a fraction of the time for the price of a Yugo.

Actually it was "Ferrari - Fiat", wich is funny because Ferrari is pretty much owned by Fiat, so that original claim basically means nothing.

#5338 29 days ago
Quoted from Jazman:

They've promised so much, bashed on everyone else for doing it wrong, and claimed they could deliver a Ferrari in a fraction of the time for the price of a Yugo. I expect them to deliver nothing less or they might as well stay home...
My 2 cents...
Jaz

Don't forget every playfield will be hit with a hammer, and if it dents it's no good.

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#5339 29 days ago
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

Don't forget every playfield will be hit with a hammer, and if it dents it's no good.
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What kind of hammer?

Obviously not the kind most pinsiders are thinking of !!!

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#5340 29 days ago

In another timeline Robert is silent through the entire process. Deeproot releases a couple of mysterious fb posts, they quietly help the Zidware victims and everyone is incredibly pumped for the release of any kind of solid information. Instead, we live in this timeline where almost the exact opposite happens.

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#5341 29 days ago
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

Don't forget every playfield will be hit with a hammer, and if it dents it's no good.
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#5342 29 days ago

A local company building augmented reality (AR) units did an informative bit here in town showing all of the things they were researching and working on to build for there AR units.
I only got to stay for a couple min but they had a ton of awesome products they are developing, one of them was some sort of pinball AR. They had a Black Knight 2000 sitting there with all of the mechs and a set of goggles in front of it.
Like I said I didn’t get to stay long enough to see how they were implementing the AR into the pinball machine. But I did get to use some of there prototype AR goggles and they were awesome!

I’m guessing Deepeoot might be doing something similar, full mechanical machine but the player wears AR goggles to enhance the play.

I have no inside info or news, this is just a guess based on what I saw another company doing.

#5343 29 days ago
Quoted from jeep-mustang:

Like I said I didn’t get to stay long enough to see how they were implementing the AR into the pinball machine. But I did get to use some of there prototype AR goggles and they were awesome!

Interesting. So could you actually see the pinball game through the goggles or was the ball movement digitalized and viewed virtually through the goggles ?

#5344 29 days ago
Quoted from RA77:

Sorry,
I do not consider a CRT wedged into the back of a pinball cabinet AR
AR is a lot Deeper than 99 Tech

It was Augmented Reality though. Adding virtual elements on the playfield on top of physical pieces, and getting them to react to the actions made on the physical side is exactly what AR is.

#5345 29 days ago
Quoted from branlon8:

Interesting. So could you actually see the pinball game through the goggles or was the ball movement digitalized and viewed virtually through the goggles ?

I didn’t get to play the game.
But it was a complete Black Knight 2000 with flippers and all.
there AR goggles are just like wearing clear sunglasses, you can see right through them. You can see everything around you. Then when you turn the goggles on, and turn on whatever program you want it to run, you can still see everything around you but the goggles impose things on the lens that look like they are in reality in front of you.

One of the programs I got to mess with while wearing the goggles was a game where the goggles had fish swimming around and I could reach out and touch the fish with my hands, I could still see everyone around me and the room but the fish were there swimming around too.
The game side of AR is not what this company was mainly focused on, most of the presentation was talking about how they were developing there AR for firefighting (temperature sensors built in, air readings built in, Ext)
scuba diving (plant and fish recognition software built in).
And a ton of other work and real world applications.

#5346 29 days ago

Is 750K a month a real number?

Sounds way out of line.

#5347 29 days ago
Quoted from frankmac:

Is 750K a month a real number?
Sounds way out of line.

Seems a little high, but they do have a staff of at least 30ish office people, an engineering lab, and renting a space of 40,000+ square feet. It's mostly a question of how much do they have invested in equipment for prototyping and mass production.

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#5348 29 days ago

I'm a big fan of common sense.
Is shooting your mouth off and belittling other competitors OK? Not ever.
Is said action a company ending action? No
Does someone invest that much money with plans to have nothing to show for it? No.
Does someone assume others debt and make good on it to produce nothing? No.
Are they under any obligation to provide updates? Absolutely positively no.

So with this being said, exactly what's the problem here? Debts have been satisfied and the public is owed nothing more. My .02

#5349 29 days ago
Quoted from frankmac:

Is 750K a month a real number?
Sounds way out of line.

Robert himself boasted about that number, early this year.

#5350 29 days ago
Quoted from frankmac:

Is 750K a month a real number?

Sounds way out of line.

https://www.thisweekinpinball.com/deeproot-pinball-launch-postponed

"TWIP: Is there any concern at deeproot that the launch may never happen?
RM: Zero concern. We are spending over $750k a month now on this project, and that will increase through launch. That is unsustainable without a launch in the short term."

And that was 11 months ago.

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