I always wondered how it was possible for keefer to do those 2 games the same year with almost complete code on release. It's like AC/DC and Metallica coming out the same year with finished code on release. Imagine that :O (not taking anything away from Lyman here. Could be lots of reasons why things go slower today and the blame is all Stern's)

Either Keefer had more help back then, or he worked like crazy to get them done so fast.(or maybe whitestar was faster to work on than SAM?) Really impressive, no matter the reason.

Btw: We have so much to thank both Keefer and Lyman for, it is ridiculous. To me, they are the ones who have kept pinball alive since the year 2000 and onward. Lots of other great programmers out there, but those two really brought it to the next level. Both of them world class players.. coincidence?

May I have an S?

That was precious, Keefer. Made my day