I just sold off the pro and got a premium. So here is my unbiased comment.

Both games are the same speed. One is not faster than the other. Features like drop targets and bash toys are not flow based toys. Shooting a ramp where the ball returns cleanly to the flippers is flow. Shooting a bash toy where the ball wobbles around and maybe lands on a flipper is not flow. The Woodbury shot is very hard to hit and not shot often enough to make a difference in game flow. Therefore, the drop target is not a noticeable flow benefit.

Unfortunately, each game plays a bit differently. My latest one holds the ball in the pops more and the left outlane is way more active. I had to move the outlane post but it barely helped and I disabled the right most pop bumper. I also disabled the well walker magnet after it tossed the ball into the outlane just once. That definitely does not make for a funner game.

I went to your website to see what you offer but it's far too much of a mess to navigate. First page is just a bunch of random pictures and I see no obvious navigation helpers nor can I easily find where twd mods might be. After 15 seconds I gave up.

Edit: I spent more time here and found the direct pinball link: http://www.ulekstore.com/category_s/1948.htm

It's at least possible to see what's there.

I love horde and how it can go on forever

Maybe I don't understand the rules of horde. But the horde keeps coming and a lane lights. If you don't make a shot pretty soon all the lanes light and turn white. If you just sit there and cradle a single ball won't horde end? I notice I can keep a second ball in play by completing all the shots (beating the horde back) and getting my add-a-ball. But once you're down to one ball, what happens if you don't make any shots at all and let the horde build on its own? I assumed once all the lanes were lit and turned white that horde ended.

I swear I've also had two balls going and lost a ball through the outlane with bit lit and the mode did not end.

I've never had the flippers die on me to end the mode. Interesting.

My crossbow only has one slit also.

I ordered one but I didn't know it might not fit. Plus I have a led strip there to light up the flipper area. I guess we will see what I get and how it wants to be installed and go from there.

Does anyone's crossbow intermittently accept a ball then try to move but it doesn't then the crossbow shot times out. Then the crossbow moves out and releases the call? This seems to happen to me about 10% of the time now. The switches 50 and 51 work perfectly in test and the cross bow motor moves the crossbow with no problems.

Thank you. I'll try that or at very least see if the prison doors change state when this happens and don't when it doesnt.

I always double flipper those animations away.

I just got mine from game exchange of Colorado. Shipping was only 2 days

Uh, why not?

This is what the switch test diagnostic menu is for. Use it, press the switch that a ball would hit when a ball is in the crossbow and see if it triggers etc.

Thank you for explaining things to me. But I don't need help. *All* my games work perfectly, and I'm not in the forum describing problems with my games.

Omg dude if only this were true. This is almost never the case. You seemed to be a unique be case but most people that ask questions tend to have the attitude that they paid a fortune for this machine and it doesn't work and they have no idea what to do. For example, there are probably a hundred posts in the last year from different people regarding the issue of stern trough optos and balls ending prematurely. Most those guys post in the software bug threads

This should be addressed in v1.56 update from yesterday. Can you install that and report back?

Ive been to horde a ton of times and it's super solid. I'd be looking away from. A software issue here unfortunately I can't really suggest where to start if the game only crashes and resets during horde and nowhere else.

That's not a software bug. It's poor communication between the light harness connector and the controlling board. Sometimes you can fix it by reseating the connector under the playfield. For my Metallica, the fix was temporary.

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Huh wtf?

Probably not a single loose wire. I would start by checking your fuses. I think the light boards are actually underneath the playfield and they daisy chain. So I suppose it could be a missing connection or a single bad board at the start of the chain.

That's cool. Can you still make the well walker to riot bounce shot?

This is such a good strategy. I recommend if you're in this situation to just go for other things and if your ball drains, then quickly use your bomb which will then start the MB saving your drained ball.

Today Concretehardt was over with his daughter and we played two games of 3 player TWD. His daughter beat us both times and both times I got destroyed placing last. I probably barely broke 10mil on each game. They walked off to play iron man. I was pissed so played one more game alone.

I well walker bombed myself from a ball drain into well walker mb and this was the start. Pretty soon horde started. Then I stacked well walker mb with escape terminus. I couldn't figure out why the right Woodbury flasher was going crazy and it turned out last man standing was ready for 2 balls and I didn't realize why. Played some last man standing and finished at 1.5bil. Was shakey for a long time after

There are no positional switches in the crossbow other than home and mark so it doesn't know where the crossbow is at so it won't be in sync.

I also don't know of anyone that has managed to get a successful smooth orbit shot to bypass the pops and hit the left flipper. If that was possible I'd be all over that.

Switches 51, 52, and 53. My guess is you messed up your home switch so the crossbow no longer knows it's at home position.

Neither of these are software problems. The crossbow only has three switches associated with it. Sw 50,51,52. One tells it there's a ball in th crossbow. Obviously the crossbow can't activate without that switch being active. The other two are home and Mark. One tells the crossbow its at home position and the other tells the crossbow is its far enough out to fire without breaking a plastic.

Shots to the far left need to be made on the way back or you risk firing your walker bombs instead. If the crossbow isn't sending the ball all the time when loaded, you may need to adjust your switch to make it more sensitive or adjust the ball path to make it so the ball falls in place fully. Icemans advice can be followed in the meantime. Nudging or setting off some coils vibrates the ball into place sometimes.

Should be plenty easy to sell.

People need to get over the ocd of thinking that tweaking their game to be more fun is cheating. First off, all games play differently. I had a walking dead LE that was brutal out of the pops. The game frustrated me and I sold it. My premium a year later played great and almost never drains out of the pops. I believe this is how the game was meant to be played. If yours is draining often out of the pops, perform every tweak people have posted until that's mostly solved. The game is not meant to play that way period.

The left outlane also varies in game to game. My pro I owned (yes I have owned this game 3 times) drained out the left out lane a lot but was reasonable. The premium I upgraded to was so frustrating that the left outlane was ruining the game. I added a post to the left outlane front and removed one from the back. The left outlane opening is actually larger than it use to be now but the angle of the outlane entrance is better and the game is more manageable.

Keep in mind it's your game and it should be fun for you to play. It's meant to be brutal but not overly frustrating. And the high score table is for everyone that plays so it's not cheating when a better player can come to your machine and bunk off your high score.

I see horde about 1/4 games. I see bloodbath about 1/2 games. I have seen last man standing twice and terminus about 1/8 games. You should be enjoying the awesomeness of the rules not being frustrated by silly stuff like pop drains.

Interesting. Perhaps some drop dead foam on the rail where the ball hits as long as it doesn't get in the way on the plunge. Or even a one-way gate mounted where the Woodbury enters the plunger lane?

Not way. Horde is a never ending flow of zombie kills with massive add-a-balls. You'd likely get lms right after horde often with this change. It's not a coding slip up. It's carefully thought out to be as it is.

The walking dead is brutal and is not a long ball time game. Metallica ball times are longer so is Star Trek.

TWD has awesome animations and they cannot be turned off. But how damaged can your son be by animations on a 2 color 192x32 display? If that's we him in, you got much bigger problems.

There is so much more to do in TWD than in Star Trek. And the software is so much better. The Star Trek layout is a bit more friendly and smoother. The ball times on Star Trek are longer than TWD. Metallica also has ingenious rules. Both Metallica and TWD will be long lasting games you'll want to keep in my opinion.

I wouldn't have lubed anything. That could gunk up in the future making the problem even worse. The buffing or a good cleaning should have been plenty.

I don't agree with a ball save for any sort of *missed* shot. If you don't want to drain them don't miss.

I agree with this also. But I'd like to say that unless Mb is starting, I can save that potential drain 100% of the time. It's quite easy to learn to prevent it.

Kpg: make some set up changes until the game is fun for you. Some games are more brutal than others. As I said the LE I bought was way more frustrating than the premium I now own especially the pops.

Sdtm means *straight* down the middle. It's when the ball is lined up perfectly vertical and falls down the center. The prison is the only place this an happen in TWD. Otherwise you're coming in from an angle not straight. Most those angled shots do have some possibility of being deflected by a perfectly timed flipper even if it seems it doesn't.

Loosen your tilt. If your game is being cheap with you then set it so you can fight back. TWD isn't a game that deserves a tight tilt bob. Nudge it hard and enjoy saving those things that use to frustrate you. Learning to nudge is part of the game.

If the outlanes are frustrating then install one of the outlane post fixes. Learn to death save etc. If the pops are frustrating you then install some of those fixes. Dont be ocd about cheating or playing the game as intended. Sounds like your game is already not playing as intended. Pops should not drain more than 10% of the time for example.

Most are ok out of the box. TWD is worth being set up correctly.

Get rid of the counter.

Did you get this fixed? What you describe is what would happen if the cross bow ball in crossbow switch is not being activated.

I'm not convinced. That circuit's fuse isn't blowing due to shorts. It's due to proper operation drawing too much power. Lord of the rings magnet had same issues and recommendation there was 5 amps fuse. I put 5a fuse in mine and will see how it goes. The fuse is useful for protecting against a direct short so it won't blow out the transistor. But if there is more than 4amp current during normal operation then a 4a fuse isn't enough. A fuse that blows every so often without any short may very well need to be beefed up.