Wtf!?!
How long have you had your TWD. Spend all that money on mods and no shaker. What's wrong with you man!

12 prison jackpots to qualify Siege. It is an adjustable setting in the menus.

So, I have absolutely zero xp with a Premium or an LE. All my games have been on multiple TWD Pros on location in Florida and Ohio.

I am strongly assuming the walker bomb is basically like a martian bomb on AFM. Is that the general gist?

Based on Bowen's tutorial video, it looked like BG was made way less relevant as the new code has made the modes way more worth pursuing. Like I said, only played 2 Pros with OLD code - probably nearly 50 times total. Does the BG ramp going up hurt the general flow of the game? What does shooting BG's head once the ramp is up mean in terms of gameplay?

I asked Trent about the crossbow, and I got the general feel that it was not an integral part of the game. I am not speaking for Trent; I just took away from our discussion that it was not worth the extra cash.

I will admit though that the BG, crossbow, walker bomb, extra magnet, drop target, spinner, fishtank, and lightshow IS making me consider a Premium. As of now, my deposit is on a Pro, based on my xp with the Pro and Bowen's tutorial video showing me that PLENTY is possible with the Pro model. Difference in price is about $1700, and I am on the fence if enough is there for nearly $2000 additional over the Pro.

Unfortunately, we have ZERO TWD Premiums on location or in private collections for me to get any face time on =/....

Damn! Practice, practice, practice! My current Walker kill high is 45

NPO, get the premium and forget about it. Not kidding!

Crossbow sucked before last code updates, now its really great.

I've played the Pro on location as well and I'd go premium just for the light show if nothing else. But, everything else really matters on this pin.

Believe it or not, i'm actually thinking about buying a Pinball refinery premium and putting it next to my LE and setting it up a little different. That's how much I love it!

TWD prem/le have one of the most significant added feature sets compared to the pro, related to other similar pro/prem/le pin offerings, which is an interesting comparison to the preferences in those other pins. Many TWD pro owners will minimize them, while many prem/le owners will find them very significant. The added cost has been worth it for those willing to pay more and the machine retains that added value if/when you go to sell. In home use the added features are nice and the le/prem places high on the rating system. Both are great games. Just decide where you sit. How much the theme appeals to a person is often a factor too.

Get the LE / premium. You can always trade down later i, suppose. Premium is the full experience. Crossbow has its own Frenzy mode (and should still have crossbow multiball to achieve) , so its significant. The changes in gameplay give you a temporary rest from the masterfully orchestrated madness. Every update has added more value to the premium / le model.

Yea mine sld b here this week . I finally found a great deal on one a few weeks ago

Huh wtf?

Crossbow Multiball still exists? I assumed it wa replaced by Crossbow Frenzy.

@Eskaybee:

siege is lit by doing this:
start prison multibull, shoot 6 jackpots (alternate shots and prison walker) so you get the super through the riot shot

For 6 to 12:
After the super jackpot you can shoot victory laps. You must alternate too doing this, you shoot a ramp, you shoot the prison. However prison doors stay closed now and you only see that you have to shoot the prison by it's flashers. This was so in previous code, don't know if it has changed but I think it's the same.

After 6 succesfull alternates after the super, siege is lit when multiball ends at the prison.

ps: If you make a superjackpot during prison, but do not qualify for 12 jackpots, I think in the next prison multiball, you start with jackpots again in stead of victory laps.

Thanks for the info! I don't think one person knew about the victory laps into the prison, great stuff!

So if I'm reading this right, once you make the super jp, it's do or die? Meaning if you drain, you start all over on the next multiball? Sounds pretty cool to me.

No, I think you can get to Siege by shooting 6 jackpots in a first prison multiball and 6 in the second.

Don't know though if you can do something like 8 and 4. Or 4 and 8. But I think it will work this way.

Finally got my Premium today and here is my short review:

It's shitty!

Now bare with me. There is a small catch to that bombastic statement.

The Gi and the inserts didn't work. (Probably just a loose wire somewhere but haven't found it yet)

Man, those new Stern machines are not much fun without the light show. The sound package is not that great on it's own.

I mean, it does not even tell you that you have a mode ready or did I get food, or weapon on the drops there?

A new experience for sure. I did have one ok game, (ca 100 mill) with a blood bath and a wellwalker super) thr other 5 tries is not worth mentioning

I imagine my take on the game will only improve from here The shots felt a lot better than what I feared.

Even worse than that, I was supposed to get my GOT Pro today and when I opened up the box, there it was, a shiny new GOT LE instead.

It's just sitting there in my living room until tomorrow. The willpower it takes to not just start it up is maddening but at least I can go have a round of TWD (without any lights)

I hope tomorrow will be a better day

Jackpots carry over.

Does this still apply to Siege under the new code?

"The mode begins with Barn, Prison and Arena lit for jackpots. Shooting the prison or either lit shot will progress to the next round. In the second phase of Siege all five mode shots and the prison are lit for jackpots. Shooting the prison or any lit shot will award jackpots. Once all available jackpots have been scored, all shots relight. Shooting any of the lit shots or prison will end the mode. The mode does carry on from ball to ball, so you can drain and continue."

Probably not a single loose wire. I would start by checking your fuses. I think the light boards are actually underneath the playfield and they daisy chain. So I suppose it could be a missing connection or a single bad board at the start of the chain.

I had a big score going with Barn started and then Horde. You can rack up major points extending that Barn time during Horde.

I crapped out too early though.

Does the Premium come with a shaker ex Stern?

Not even the LE comes with a shaker!

Depending where you buy from alot of distros will throw one in if you ask nicely

Tech Help
Trying to install the newer version of the refinery bicycle girl LED pads.
Cant seem to understand where they go on my LE
Can someone pleaae post a picture of their Refinery Bicycle girl mod installed ( with close up of where the led pads stick)

Thanks everyone!!

1 on metal ramp just in front of BG face R/H side (I put mine on the left, thought it looked better there)

2 on clear perspex directly under BG on under side of play field using spacer provided

1 if you look directly down on BG along R/H metal ramp you will look through 2 plastics to what looks like a cut out install so it is facing the edge of metal ramp along the metal guide. (stick to metal guide)

Hope this helps will post pics tomorrow if you still need them

Thanks for the info
I will be giving it a go later today
Thanks!!
Stay tuned

Also had a reset today during Horde:

Horde was running combined with riot, just reached level 3, then boom a reset.

Played some games with multiball afterwards, no issue
Played a Horde game later today, no issue...

Never had an issue before.. but I think Horde with a certain combination of things can cause this to lock up the software so it causes a reset.

I've been to Horde several times since with no issue as well.

Although my memory might be foggy, I believe I was also in Riot & Horde when the game reset.

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Thanks for the Help!!
Good to Go

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Just got my Premium over the weekend.

This game is f****n' awesome.

Installed both the yoyokopter crossbow mod, and the gnassel BG girl mod. Both are fantastic and look stock. Im normally not a "modder", but these 2 are essential. My 14 Yo son hates any mods on games because it's "not original", so I didnt tell him that I installed them on this. His first comment was how cool the Crossbow is.

The BG Light is amazing - there is so much detail on that head I cant believe stern didnt light it ex factory. Also love the details, such as the flickering light.

Received my premium this weekend and wow its amazing ... and dam difficult especially after I waxed it lol. Whats odd is the play field was made in 2014 and date on cab is dec 4 2014 which is crazy ? They had it for a year ?

Same here, build date 15th December 2014!

Maybe its supposed to be 2015?

I just got a premium last week that came straight from stern, build date was August 2015. It had 1.41 code, but had the bg ramp fix with foam pads underneath. It's a tough game for sure and I dont have a good feel for the game yet, but still managed to crack 530 mil on factory settings. I like the game a lot and the updated code is a big improvement.

As wide as the bg ramp is, I think it's too steep as i get a good number of airballs off it.

I made my own light mod to light up bg using an LED strip and tied it to the sign above, added interactive undercabinet lighting tied into the RR flasher, lit up the ball trough, shaker and side mirrors. Need to do something with the crossbow and possibly get a prison tower. Have a few other ideas too.

Hi Mark, thanks for your update. Have so much fun with your Premium TwD pin

Mine was DEC 2014 build too. Got it a couple months ago. Just proof that this title did not sell well which is what 2 distributors told me. Now that Lyman nailed the code, I hear stern will do another run - the game is gaining popularity. Shows that code can trump poor design and poor theme integration.

Man, I am chomping at the bit for my TWD Pro. Can't wait to get the call..... in January. First world problems ):

Poor design? I love the layout and everything about it . Im glad it has a more general zombie theme other than all walking dead . im a huge fan of the show.

Never had any issues with the BG ramp...but the tunnel to arena combo shot is blistering fast and causes some air balls. Here's a shot of one of them.
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Noticed it looks like you have clear protection placed over your well walker magnet. Are those dimples in the steel underneath it? You must be rocking that pin!

Love your mod Gnassel! Really easy to install and adds much needed effects to BG!

I like the layout too but that doesn't mean there aren't design flaws. WW arm blocks players vision of prison inserts, pops exit isn't a very inconsistent and somewhat klunky design, the bg ramp is another klunky design, the shooter lane has had issues with many owners; to name a few. I'm not knocking it, I really enjoy the layout but there is a lot of klunk factors and obstructions that could have been dealt with had the designer been given more time.

Even at this early stage I can see the design flaws everyone complains about. The BG ramp, excessive pop time, random exits from pops, zombie head hits not always registering. But I think it's these things that will make the game a keeper. The design is unique. The shots feel completely different to almost anything else. And it's hard. But when you do nail the tower shot or get a blinding fast railroad loop through the pops, it is so satisfying. I don't think quirky is the right word, but it's so different yet feels so right.

Combine this with fantastic dots, and lighting and sound (except the callouts) better than I've seen on any other Sterns and it's a classic. Josh Sharpe was talking about how feedback sounds can make a game on a C2C interview. This game is the perfect example of how to do it. Like clearing the Prison Yard and the rifle shots with each successful hit.

And to top it off a unique and complicated rule set that will take years to master (for me anyway).

I get it was not intentional, but it's the physical design "mistakes" that make me feel like I really am in this dysfunctional post apocalyptic world when I play. Just when you think you are in control, one mistimed shot or random airball or incomplete ramp shot and it's all over.

Start again.

All those "design flaws" can easily be overcome with the exception of the left arm of the ww blocking a couple inserts. That - you have to remember to peer around him and keep track. It's just part of the pin's charm.

In a home environment it's what you do. You fiddle. Read the mod threads, it's all there. If you don't address those things your missing out on a nice pin being a greater experience.

Feedback sounds - good point. So much of this pin I take for granted when it's really little details that are there but you get use to them. After playing other pins you notice and you realize you've been spoiled, for lack of a better term.

I was gonna say the same thing , my new one plays awesome with only a few adjustments out of the box .. only thing is the walker arm which dont bother me . Awesomely fun pin with crazy rules

Is there any rule sheet available that someone has written up? I looked at pinball news at its pretty basic and written on old code. The game reminds me of acdc, which took me quite a while to figure out. I'm getting decent scores on Twd (200-500 mil on factory settings) mainly because I'm just hitting what's lit, but have no idea on strategy, how to start and complete modes, get to wizard modes, what "kills" mean and what the tools mean. There are a thousand posts in this thread alone to go through, but hoping someone can point me in the right direction.

Thx

Im with you lol im having a blast playing it and getting decent scores but dont know a whole lot about the crazy rules lol. I added a few of my refinery mods and man it totally changed the game and made it even more amazing . I highly recommend the prison flasher mod , bicycle girl mod and I have the side decals and el prison fence also to install which will be even more amazing.

Watch Bowen's tutorial video on YT. It has a solid amount of info (for the Pro model).

I made a bg mod with a green led strip and tied it into the blue light on the sign above. Have side mirrors Installed, shaker, red trough light, undercab lights tied to the pops, shooter lane protector and clear super bands. I'm looking for the prison to make my own mod as well as trying to find a rail road signal the right size to light for a mod.

The game is good and I like the shot variety, just wish I knew what I was doing. I'll watch the bowen video.

Well, I bought a pro 2 weeks ago and can not stop playing it, up to 300+ games and still keep hitting the start straight away when the game ends.

So, um, yep - this happened today .

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Obviously, details were removed to keep my privacy as well as extending a courtesy to GEX with regards to their pricing. Here's a tip: make sure they know you are a Pinside member. Trust me on that one.

Got the very last one they had in stock. I called yesterday, and they had 2 pros and a premium. Got the ok from the chief (wifey), and tried calling back for 3 hours in 30 minute intervals, and I could not get their sales department to save my life.

Called them today within 10 minutes of them being open. 1 pro and 1 premium had sold in that time (4:30pm to 7:00pm lastnight). For those interested, they told me they have 2 on backorder, and they expect to get them soon. I know no further details.

Yeesh .....hot game right now.

I must say, I was SUPER impressed with the crew at GEX. I had the pleasure of speaking with David, and you could tell right out of the gate that these guys love what they do. This is not a 9-5 for them. For them, pinball is more than a job; it is something they enjoy and embrace with passion.

They called me in 10 minute or less intervals each time a step was taken: price-check for one, transaction complete for another, final invoice put together for a third. David was awesome, and I will absolutely gladly do business with them again.

JJ himself called me once the game was packed and ready to be picked up by freight (R&L Carriers for those curious). He answered all of my questions with thorough details, and he was both patient with me and super-excited for me to receive this game.

I already have confirmation of a PRO number (Tracking number) so I can see the game make its progress from Denver to Dayton. Even with the holidays, a tentative delivery date is 29 Dec. Dude, you cannot beat this level of service; this is all in one day flat. Total for the game with shipping included in the price was under $5000.

Just amazed man. Do not for one moment doubt GEX. So far, they have done me very well, and I am giving them a rock-solid 10/10 at this point.

Now, I wait patiently for TWD Pro to make its way to me .

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