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Turning on unused machines

By ktownhero

5 years ago


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#1 5 years ago

Hi there,

I have found what I believe is a good candidate for my first restoration. Someone local to me has a JOKERZ! that is in good shape but hasn't been played in years. I am going to stop by to see it and make an offer, but I'm thinking just turning it on might be a bad idea without getting in there and blowing dust out and checking for obvious faults?

Follow up question, if it's unsafe to turn on how should I handle that price wise? I want to give them a fair price but also have a nice buffer that I get some value out of it when it's done. Plus, I'd be buying on visual inspection alone. Pinside seems to price it in recently shopped working condition at $1500. Would $500 or $750 be reasonable offers?

Thanks so much for your help!!!

#4 5 years ago
Quoted from jeffc:

I suspect the seller will turn it on 15 minutes before you arrive anyway.

Maybe, maybe not. I don't get the sense this is someone who is really into pinball. Just a machine he got a long time ago and has sat. I believe it's indoors though which is good. I'm glad it's safe to turn on, would make me feel a lot better about making an offer.

Thanks for the input!

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#16 5 years ago
Quoted from rotordave:

Yet again, Vid is the voice of wisdom.
$500 - don’t even ask any questions. Load it up and drive off quickly.
$700 - check if all the boards are there. Load it up and drive off quickly.
800-$1000 - look closer at the boards and see if anything is obvious. Look at the playfield a bit closer. Then load it up and drive off quickly.
$1500 - turn it on, give it the full run over and make your decision based on that.
There’s nothing on a Sys11 that can’t be repaired or replaced. Except playfields, BGs and plastics for some of them. So if they are good, you’re golden.
Jokerzzzzzz is one of the most underrated Sys11 games IMO. Good gameplay with fun rules.
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I'm going to finally see this machine tonight. All I know so far is that this person has had it for "many years" and also hasn't played it in "many years". He said it is in good shape and that he turned it on but doesn't remember how to use it and the game won't start. Obviously that's because the batteries are dead and it's not on freeplay.

I haven't mentioned cost yet, do you think I should before I go there or should I just go with cash in my pocket and plan on negotiating in person?

EDIT: The more I think on it, it doesn't make sense to make a blind offer at this point. I'll show up with cash in hand and make an offer on the spot.

#17 5 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Don't even turn it on.
Let's say he says $500 as is. It's not like he is going to lower the price if only the GI lights come on.
You KNOW you are going to have to rebuild any old power supply.
You KNOW you are going to have to replace old IC sockets.
You probably KNOW the batteries have eaten the MPU board.
No sense turning it on and cooking a bunch of expensive coils.
Take it home and then turn on one board at a time in a methodical fashion.

I went to see it today and it has sat for 15 years. As such, it is dirty as you'd expect and sure enough the batteries are corroded... Though it didn't look like they caused any damage.

It turns on but just sort of buzzes and doesn't full come on. That said, the playfield appears to be in excellent condition except for some mylar peeling but that's expected. The cabinet art I would say is exceptional on the sides and the back box is in great shape but with some dings/cover up on the bottom sides.

I offered him $500, he asked for $800. I thought that seemed fairly reasonable but should I haggle further? It certainly appears to be a great restoration candidate.

#21 5 years ago
Quoted from QuietEarp:

Did you go there, offer $500, get countered at $800 and then just leave? Sounds like you were pretty close to an agreement.

We agreed to $800 I'm supposed to pick it up later this week but I am considering trying to haggle a little lower.

#25 5 years ago
Quoted from mbwalker:

Ditto what he said^^ How would you feel if the guy decided to haggle a little higher?

I'd say no and walk away from the deal.

This isn't a usual sale type of scenario. But I get what you are saying and my gut feeling is I wouldn't want to try to renegotiate. This is just my first project pin and I'm hoping that $800 is a fair price for a machine of this nature. I walked in with a hard cap of 1000 so 800 seemed like a mutually beneficial arrangement. Then I got home and realized I am buying a machine that doesn't even start up!

So yeah, I guess I was more just fishing for some validation/input.

#27 5 years ago
Quoted from mbwalker:

I do admit I focused on the 'haggle' part, as in 'beat the price down for the sake of getting a better deal'. If you really think it's not worth it, then no harm in passing. I recently brought a pin that I thought would be running by nightfall. Still tinkering with it months later, so I understand your relucatance.

Ah, that makes sense. Yeah, haggle was probably the wrong word. What I meant is more like I've had time to think about it and learn a bit more and renegotiating based on that. But, I'm not going to do that unless I'm willing to walk away at $800. That's what I'm wondering now. I think it's gonna need a lot of work but at the same time the playfield and cab are super nice. I'm gonna have to go through the headache of pulling the mylar off though .

#31 5 years ago
Quoted from mbwalker:

Sometimes pins are just meant to be played. They all can't be museum pieces, despite as much as you want them to be pristine. Removing mylar can lead to a really big commitment to time and money on your end. Some guys wish they never did it cause now they have more headaches to fix. I can fix the electronics...but boy, when it comes to playfield touchups - all thumbs and might as well be color blind. So I've learned my limits on buying project pins. At least until I have more free time.
I guess if you do get it, get it going and actually see if it has some staying power in your house. Or does it just turn into a blah game after a month or two? If you think it's the best thing since sliced bread, then go for it! My wife constantly reminds me that she likes to PLAY them...not look at parts strewn around the garage and basement while I work on them! LOL. And she's right!

I am buying specifically as a restoration project and plan to resell it.

#32 5 years ago

Well, I did as much of the stand-up thing as I could given the circumstance. I decided I would walk away if the price stayed at $800 and called the guy. I was straight-forward and explained my reasons, and told him I was calling because I didn't want to put him on the spot when I show up to pick it up. I asked him to meet me in the middle at $650 and he agreed.

#34 5 years ago
Quoted from mbwalker:

I think that was very fair the way you handled it. You gave him a good reason, and also an opportunity for him to pass if he wanted too. And you did it ahead of time as not to make it high pressure. Kudos.

Thanks. Now I have an incredibly dirty JOKERZ! sitting in my garage, but I can tell under all that gunk she'll clean up beautifully. It doesn't start up, but the CPU lights are correct and I can get it into attract mode using the CPU test button 2. The screen doesn't work at all, I'm guessing it is gassed out... but I'll do some testing. Haven't done any "real" work on it yet, just wanted to see where it was. I'm sure I'll be asking a ton of questions in this and the technical forums!

1 week later
#38 5 years ago

For those interested, here's a short overview of the pin from the night I brought it home. Haven't had a chance to do work on it yet but should next week.

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#42 5 years ago
Quoted from Mattamoose:

Maybe I'm wrong but that doesn't sound very stand-up to me, if you agree on a price you honor it. Maybe I'm interrupting the story wrong but to me what you did sounds a little like the flip side of a seller making a deal and then asking for more money because he's had a better offer.
Obviously the guy was ok with it because he dropped the price for you, but I think there are a lot out there that would have told you to pound sand.

Sorry you had a bad day

#43 5 years ago

I picked up a Rottendog replacement display and it works like a charm! I actually think the game is perfectly fine, the error appears to just be because I don't currently have batteries or nvram in there (the battery holder corroded off). I'm going to pull the MPU and clean the board and put a new battery holder in for some Lithiums... I have a feeling there's nothing else wrong with the game other than having to go through and clean out some of these disgusting switches lol.

#44 5 years ago

Pulled the MPU and there's definitely some battery damage but manageable. There's also some really shabby repair work to a few transistors.

Time to get my hands dirty

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#46 5 years ago

Thanks for the link, I appreciate it. I was using vinegar but after reading that I already went out and bought the Zep cleaner and some wire brushes . It's probably overkill but I don't want to have to take this board back out again for a long time, nor do I want a potential buyer to.

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