2-SMD Comet cool white! Not sure if Comet provides a kit, but count your inserts and add 10%. Most are 555s.

Also, I highly highly highly recommend Herg's LED OCD board for TSPP. You won't believe the difference. Best $$ you'll spend on TSPP.

agree with the 2smd 2835s from Art. i use them everywhere.

great value.

Good, so every insert is cool white? Are these non-ghosting

Also, with the OCD board, are these hard to install or hard to program? Does this take care of all ghosting issues and flicker?

I have Tron with a nice kit from PinballBulbs, but do you think OCD would make it look better?

I have a OCD boards in my Tron and TSPP and they are 100% worth it. You get the fading of incandescent with brightness of LEDs. The OCD board works better with regular LEDs too. So you can save a little not buying non ghosting bulbs.
I do have color matched LEDs in both of my games. Tron has Cointaker and TSPP has Comet both look great

LED OCD is amazing! I have zero computer skills. It's 100% plug & play... I have it on my Sterns and I used it with Williams as well. You are able to connect the board to a computer to mess with stuff, but I've never done that. Great out of the box.

LED OCD works best with regular LEDs, not the non ghosting variety. 2-SMD LEDs are bright and respond very well.

With inserts, I almost always use cool white except for green and red. Cool white works 95% of the time, regardless of game or color.

www.ledocd.com

Add another endorsement for Comet bulbs. No need to spend over $200 on a kit that someone else put together.

I used the non-ghosting in my inserts and they work perfectly and I didn't need to buy a board.

I'll add a third endorsement for Comet's 2 SMD 2835s. They are the perfect general use LED, and they work great with the LED OCD controller. I wouldn't recommend all cool white for the inserts, though. You should color match the reds, greens, blues, purples and oranges. I believe on TSPP I used "sunlight" under the yellow inserts. I also used "sunlight" for the GI on that game.

Here's a link to some photos of mine ...

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/tspp-owners-club-members-only/page/21#post-2642929

I tried to color match orange and it always comes out looking like shit. Greens and reds are good, blues are okay depending on the insert.

To me, cool white works most of the time. But I like really bright games, and most of my GI is cool white with very few colors.

When working with bulbs, like a 1 SMD 5050....the bulb offered in kits....Oranges and yellow are best lit with Warm White or some prefer Pink.
If one uses the brighter bulb, a Twin 2835, which is what Stern uses in their newest games from CT, you can color match yellow and Orange Inserts, with yellow and orange bulbs. I recommend frosted, and they come out "richer" in color.

Have you tried any of Art's newer orange LEDs? I agree that many of the older orange LEDs looked kind of crappy under orange inserts. The frosted orange 2835s I used for TSPP, however, look great. They give off a nice rich orange color.

Edit: Looks like the man himself beat me to it.

Look, your bulbs suck and so do you!

I could be soured on bad experiences with orange because they just aren't bright enough. I want astronauts to see my games from orbit. I still need to order a few more bulbs from you, specifically purple for Kiss, so I'll give orange another chance.

Use warm white under yellow, orange, and red.

Cool under white, green and blue.

Pink under pink.

Get an extra bright cool white for the Homer insert between the pops & the towers (colored towers look weird)

TSPP looks incredible if you follow this advice.

If you do GI, use cool white everywhere except under the orange ramps. Use warms in those spots.

Oh and put a powerful LED flasher in Homer's head! Looks awesome.

But I have non ghosting bulbs, I don't want to change them again, will OCD be any good with the non-ghosting inserts?

Nope, you can leave them. LED OCD works *best* with regular LEDs, but you shouldn't have a problem with non ghosting.

Oh, dont forget two Op_max in the cooling towers...They fill the entire tower with light, as opposed to just the bottom half.

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That looks awesome. Another few bulbs for my next order..

Sorry, not a specific kit. But the game can be done for around $100.

We have a starter kit with 150 bulbs, and a Master Kit with 250. The game holds a bit under 150 in total.
Either of these can be upgraded to 2835. I am working on that formal addition this weekend.

Basically, a Starter Kit of 150 bulbs is $99 with free shipping, and you may find you can finish this game, or need just a few extra.

http://www.cometpinball.com/product-p/150-pack-starter.htm

or the Master kit, which can pretty much do 2 Sterns with 250 bulbs at $149 with Free shipping.

http://www.cometpinball.com/Master-Pinball-LED-Kit-p/250-pack-master-kit.htm

Some other thoughts are Ice Blue is nice on this game, and any additional strips etc, we have a new Product release in 2-3 weeks worth
seeing for adding all kinds of extras.

If you wish to do on your own, you could simply count your colors, choosing the colors you want for white.
Pop the playfield and only match the few 44/47 that may exist for inserts.
Everything else is 555. Your GI, keep it safe at 50-44/47.
With a pen and paper, and even a manual, I find it takes about 10 minutes to figure this out, and I add 1 or two extra per
color. This, along with Op-Max, spots, and flashers, should be around $100-$110.

If you need an exact Kit, James at Pinballbulbs, and of course Cointaker have premade kits, as well as NiftyLED.

Art

Heres a pic of the $99 kit used to completely convert a CSI and the 2835 in a Congo i did last week,

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keep the opmaxs in the cooling towers white , Art ? or match the cooling towers colors.

Any color you like! The most common have been Purple, Green, and White...

let us know when you update that.. I'll buy a master kit.

I'm doing Tspp and Potc what should I order? is that the 555?

Do you also sell OCD board?

Will do, Ill post or PM you, but Ill finish this weekend.

For Stern Games, Its roughly 50 pieces of 44/47 for GI, and a few inserts, and roughly 100 pieces of 555.

While I do offer a Stern OCD Board, you might likely find it costing you less, directly from Herg at www.LEDOCD.com.

My role in these, is to help get them to overseas customers.
You can still order, though....but if you save a few dollars, and it helps Herg too, that may be best.

Art

6 hours to code the bugger!

Master Kits now have Twin 2835, and in Sunlight! My recommendation for TSPP!

250 Twin 2835, Plus 2 Bonus strips, shipped free, for only $159!

Pretty close to be able to completing 2 Sterns, or all one needs to customize a Bally/Williams, with an average of over 80
bulbs for your next game!

http://www.cometpinball.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=250-Pack-Master-Kit

what about lens type? None, clear or frosted?

I threw a list together with color matching etc..... I can add to your db Art so others can see??? Still need to order and see if I got it dead on....

Twin 2835 are there in clear or frosted....Did I miss something?

I dont store a list, but you are welcome to share in this thread for everyone...Thanks.

just curious do you recommend clear or frosted?

I prefer frosted everywhere....especially GI....if there are younger players, or people with sensitive eyes, their height and angle of play, could cause them to be looking directly into a diode that is lit....painful for some,
However, if you are OK with all New Sterns, they come with clear Twin 2835 in their games.....

Art

yep, i tend to prefer the frosted 2835s in almost every scenario. i feel they give off a better light.

Me too, however, I still find them to be a bit too bright when directly exposed. In those cases, I will either use a dimmer frosted LED, or a flexible one that allows me to angle to light away from the player.

Just did my TSPP with Comet master kit, plus OCD board. I used some colored inserts, but swapped out the yellow for white frosted under the yellow inserts. Honestly white frosted would probably be as good for most inserts. I have so many bulbs left over I'm going to do POTC next.

Tspp looks f-en awesome with LEDs, looks like a new pin. Next up will be color DMD.

I'm most of the way through my TSPP, wish I had seen this thread earlier but I've been having a good time anyway so... Just have the rear ramps and upper playfield left to do and then I have a feeling an OCD board is imminent.

I ordered a handful of different bulbs to play with from PL and then a much bigger order from Comet, now this thing is coming together. The twin 2835 and the 2 SMD faceted from Comet have turned out to be the my favorites just about everywhere. I've played with the Purple Passion LEDs in the spots but mostly been using the Optix Maximus there. Very tempted to color match some of the inserts as the yellows in particular are almost lighter than I wanted.

The High Output COB Tri-Side 2.5W 12 Volt made a crazy replacement for the 905 flashers, they're almost too bright but the flash is astonishing. I was also pretty happy with the 8 SMD 906 flasher for the ones flush with the playfield (the two by the I&S hole and the one under Comic Book Guy) as they don't disperse light well from the sides.

Just wondering, how do y'all feel about the GIzmo board in TSPP? Worth the fitty bucks or should I just get the OCD and be happy?