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TSPP Owners Club..... Members Only!!!


By kwiKimart

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#5301 13 days ago

Checksum Errors on my Simpson Party Pinball.

I recently started getting a CheckSum $F0FF errors when I power on my TSPP.

I thought it was a bad CPU ROM so I bought a new one from Marcos and installed it, same error message.

I thought it might be the Display ROM so I swapped out the CPU ROM v5 and Display ROM v5 with my 4.0 versions and I get a CheckSum $4FF (CPU 4.0 ROM) So I am pretty sure it is not the CPU ROM or Display ROM. Thoughts?

Looking for ideas where to start.

Thanks in advance, be Well!

#5302 13 days ago

I will be leaving the TSPP club in a couple weeks, and a new member will join !

I really enjoyed playing that game a lot but the gameplay started feeling very close to my WOZ, they definitely are cousins. So one had to stay and one had to live, WOZ was close from the door, it's been a love hate relationship for sometimes but the love came back.

Another thing I will miss is how reliable that game is, outside of the regular waxing, I never had to remove the glass and never had to open the tech manual.

My next game will be a shooter with enough code depth to keep going at it, surely not a theme as appealing as The Simpsons, actually my first non licensed fame, we'll see how that goes, I'm excited that's for sure.

#5303 13 days ago
Quoted from robnotto:

Checksum Errors on my Simpson Party Pinball.
I recently started getting a CheckSum $F0FF errors when I power on my TSPP.
I thought it was a bad CPU ROM so I bought a new one from Marcos and installed it, same error message.
I thought it might be the Display ROM so I swapped out the CPU ROM v5 and Display ROM v5 with my 4.0 versions and I get a CheckSum $4FF (CPU 4.0 ROM) So I am pretty sure it is not the CPU ROM or Display ROM. Thoughts?
Looking for ideas where to start.
Thanks in advance, be Well!

Does the game continue to play after the error or does it stop entirely?

This is an error with U210. Do you see anything going on with that socket? Is there a pin out? Bad solder? Trace lifted? Take a look at the back of the board too. This area is just under the batteries (I hope you are running NVRAM and not batteries that may have leaked?) Take a photo of that area (the batteries and just underneath it). The more I think about this the more I wonder if you have damage from a battery that leaked.

What errors does it give you? You said "errors" so I am wondering are there multiple messages? Or is it only referencing $F0FF.

Are you sure about the error you got when you put in the 4.0 version? That should have read $4FFF (guessing you missed an F?) Just trying to make sure we nailed the problem down correctly.

#5304 12 days ago
Quoted from brainmegaphone:

Does the game continue to play after the error or does it stop entirely?
This is an error with U210. Do you see anything going on with that socket? Is there a pin out? Bad solder? Trace lifted? Take a look at the back of the board too. This area is just under the batteries (I hope you are running NVRAM and not batteries that may have leaked?) Take a photo of that area (the batteries and just underneath it). The more I think about this the more I wonder if you have damage from a battery that leaked.
What errors does it give you? You said "errors" so I am wondering are there multiple messages? Or is it only referencing $F0FF.
Are you sure about the error you got when you put in the 4.0 version? That should have read $4FFF (guessing you missed an F?) Just trying to make sure we nailed the problem down correctly.

Thanks for replying. I should have clarified.

V5 CPU ROM shows a $F0FF Checksum error on boot
V4 CPU ROM shows a $4FFF Checksum error on boot

I have a LOTR with the same board. So i moved the LOTR board into the Simpson and I still get the checksum errors. The Simpson board plays fine in the LOTR (Of course when I move the boards I switch the chips)

So I am pretty sure it is not the board itself, and I have 2 sets of ROMs I have tried both with checksum errors so I am assuming that it is not the ROMs themselves. I actually have 2 sets of V5 ROMs because I originally thought it was a issue with the CPU V5 ROM so I bought a new one.

I am perplexed to what else could be causing this. I am new at this so still in learning mode

Thoughts?

rob

#5305 12 days ago
Quoted from robnotto:

Thanks for replying. I should have clarified.
V5 CPU ROM shows a $F0FF Checksum error on boot
V4 CPU ROM shows a $4FFF Checksum error on boot
I have a LOTR with the same board. So i moved the LOTR board into the Simpson and I still get the checksum errors. The Simpson board plays fine in the LOTR (Of course when I move the boards I switch the chips)
So I am pretty sure it is not the board itself, and I have 2 sets of ROMs I have tried both with checksum errors so I am assuming that it is not the ROMs themselves. I actually have 2 sets of V5 ROMs because I originally thought it was a issue with the CPU V5 ROM so I bought a new one.
I am perplexed to what else could be causing this. I am new at this so still in learning mode
Thoughts?
rob

So if the LOTR board (with Simpsons ROMS) gives you this error in the Simpsons game and the Simpson's board works in LOTR (with LOTR ROMS) and since you have tried multiple simpsons rom versions it seems it is not your roms or your boards.

My next best guess? Power issue? Have you tested the power at the board on its various test points to verify it is accurate?

#5306 12 days ago

The aftermarket roms do go bad after a while.

#5307 12 days ago
Quoted from brainmegaphone:

So if the LOTR board (with Simpsons ROMS) gives you this error in the Simpsons game and the Simpson's board works in LOTR (with LOTR ROMS) and since you have tried multiple simpsons rom versions it seems it is not your roms or your boards.
My next best guess? Power issue? Have you tested the power at the board on its various test points to verify it is accurate?

Resolution:

Error was the pinball owner (aka..me)

There was no error at all on the pinball game. I had done a factory reset, and quick boot was set to "no"

Which looks like it does a test, and post the checksum. I figured it was a error and it was just a informational message.

Sincerest thanks to all of those who jumped in to help. I have so much to learn

Now I am going to slink away and pretend I am smarter then I am!

rob

#5308 12 days ago

I'm out of the group - my TSPP went to a new, good home. Maybe I will be back in the future!

#5309 12 days ago
Quoted from robnotto:

Resolution:
Error was the pinball owner (aka..me)
There was no error at all on the pinball game. I had done a factory reset, and quick boot was set to "no"
Which looks like it does a test, and post the checksum. I figured it was a error and it was just a informational message.
Sincerest thanks to all of those who jumped in to help. I have so much to learn
Now I am going to slink away and pretend I am smarter then I am!
rob

Glad you got it straightened out. This is why I asked whether you could play the game or not after the message because my game also posts something about the checksum but does not impact playing and it is not an error.

You only learn by doing.

#5310 10 days ago

I decided to sacrifice this $17 vinyl bank to test the possibility of swapping homer’s ugly head with this more appealing one that includes his torso and a donut.

Not a great fit. So close!!!

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#5311 10 days ago

The lighting does work through the plastic of the bank. I could sever his head and have it spin...

#5312 9 days ago
Quoted from Scandell:

I decided to sacrifice this $17 vinyl bank to test the possibility of swapping homer’s ugly head with this more appealing one that includes his torso and a donut.
Not a great fit. So close!!![quoted image][quoted image]

I agree the head isn't ideal (in the sense that it looks bizarre) however I like that it kind of looks like Rudy's head from Funhouse. I wonder if the designer did that on purpose. In that sense I don't think I'd want to see a game with Homer's full body on it. Perhaps you can just find a better looking Homer head? Just my thoughts...

#5313 9 days ago
Quoted from Scandell:

I decided to sacrifice this $17 vinyl bank to test the possibility of swapping homer’s ugly head with this more appealing one that includes his torso and a donut.
Not a great fit. So close!!![quoted image][quoted image]

I wasn’t so keen on homers massive head. So I made up my own set up that I am happy with. I used Bowling Homer just for some shirt colour. Can easily swap out for original Homer or other characters.
And a pic of my machine.

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#5314 9 days ago
Quoted from brainmegaphone:

I agree the head isn't ideal (in the sense that it looks bizarre) however I like that it kind of looks like Rudy's head from Funhouse. I wonder if the designer did that on purpose. In that sense I don't think I'd want to see a game with Homer's full body on it. Perhaps you can just find a better looking Homer head? Just my thoughts...

It’s just a head from a Simpsons homer toy doll line. Not a custom designed head by Stern.

#5315 9 days ago
Quoted from Scandell:

It’s just a head from a Simpsons homer toy doll line. Not a custom designed head by Stern.

I know but I think having the head which sometimes talks during the game was a nod to Rudy (except it doesn't have eyes that move because of the obvious complexity/costs involved and also I believe that feature may have been patented by Williams and the patent was likely still in play in ~2003).

Regardless - I wish the head in the game looked more like the one on your bank. Maybe there is one out there somewhere that will work better!

#5316 9 days ago

Although I’m not an owner anymore, I still lurk in this thread. TSPP was my first Stern and I kept it for the longest time and yes, I do miss it. Hoping one day Stern will re-theme the pin into a Simpsons Treehouse of Horror pin like they did with the Dark Knight into Batman66. I would be all over the LE version sight unseen on that one.

I bought the same Homer torso bank holding the donut, but I never got around to swapping out the torso with the original head before I sold the pin. Glad you did the experiment on it and it’s a shame it didn’t work.

My brother is still upset with me for selling it because he wanted It for his collection Wish he would have bought it so I could still play it close by. Maybe one day.

#5317 8 days ago
Quoted from Scandell:

I decided to sacrifice this $17 vinyl bank to test the possibility of swapping homer’s ugly head with this more appealing one that includes his torso and a donut.

I really like that look of Homer and his torso. How far off are you from making it fit?

#5318 3 days ago

I'm Not a graphic artist at all, but I wanted to make my own custom TSPP speaker box decal. After measuring and creating a template in photoshop, I added a high res background and a bunch of characters.
This is still a test copy printed on 3 pieces of plain paper (not vinyl yet) and taped together.
I also made custom side blades but I'm still refining the artwork.

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#5319 3 days ago
Quoted from SKORR_Arcades:

I'm Not a graphic artist at all, but I wanted to make my own custom TSPP speaker box decal. After measuring and creating a template in photoshop, I added a high res background and a bunch of characters.
This is still a test copy printed on 3 pieces of plain paper (not vinyl yet) and taped together.
I also made custom side blades but I'm still refining the artwork. [quoted image]

Personally, i would remove "The Simpsons" from above the DMD. The name is already on the backglass so its not necessary imo.

#5320 3 days ago

Yes, remove all text and don't distort the shapes of the characters.

#5321 3 days ago
Quoted from sk8ersublime:

Personally, i would remove "The Simpsons" from above the DMD. The name is already on the backglass so its not necessary imo.

Cool, thanks. I didn't think about that since it was part of the original image.

Quoted from D-Gottlieb:

Yes, remove all text and don't distort the shapes of the characters.

Yep, I was randomly sizing and placing the characters. Hopefully I'll get it completed. Thanks.

#5322 3 days ago
Quoted from SKORR_Arcades:

Cool, thanks. I didn't think about that since it was part of the original image.

Yep, I was randomly sizing and placing the characters. Hopefully I'll get it completed. Thanks.

If you are looking for other feedback (not sure if you are or not) I would also note that the skyline looks great but some of the characters randomly floating in the sky seem odd (flying character okay but couch in sky does not). Couldn't you place them on a street or somehow better separate the skyline concept from the characters being randomly thrown around on the artwork?

#5323 10 hours ago
Quoted from Scandell:

I decided to sacrifice this $17 vinyl bank to test the possibility of swapping homer’s ugly head with this more appealing one that includes his torso and a donut.
Not a great fit. So close!!![quoted image][quoted image]

That would go really well with the Alternate donut cabinet art. Pity it didn’t fit

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