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Truelevel - the pinball adjustment device now available!


By Wolfmarsh

45 days ago



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  • Latest reply 35 days ago by wildertronix
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    #1 45 days ago

    Hi Everyone,

    I wanted to introduce a new device that @wildertronix and I came up with. We call it Truelevel.

    It's a small, usb powered device that you stick on your playfield (typically under the apron) that will help you setup the pitch and roll of your machine properly. We've been torture testing them with the fine folks at Abari Game Bar in Charlotte, NC.

    the truelevel device

    The device easily mounts with 3M command strips under the apron.

    truelevel installed

    We've also written a phone app that lets you interact with the device via Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE). The app is open to everyone, not just owners of Truelevel.
    The idea is if you are a player and go to an arcade where Truelevel is installed, you can check to see if the pins are set up properly with a simple red/green indicator of their status, as seen below.

    **CURRENTLY THE APP IS ANDROID ONLY, iOS VERSION COMING SOON (Q1 2020)**

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    If you are the owner of the device, you'll have set a PIN number that allows you access to the owners screen where you control the settings and get the raw readouts from the device:

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    We've put a limited initial run of the devices up for purchase on the storefront at: https://www.savepointvideogames.com/

    The app is available in the Google Play Store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.savepointvideogames.truelevel

    **REMEMBER, CURRENTLY THE APP IS ANDROID ONLY, iOS VERSION COMING SOON (Q1 2020)**

    Thanks for reading and remember to look for the "Truelevel Installed" sticker so you can use the app!

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    #2 45 days ago

    Very cool! I like it!

    #4 45 days ago

    Now you need to make a way for the player to level the machine by using his phone if he sees it is out of level.

    Some kind of servos on the leg levellers or under the playfield or something.

    #5 45 days ago

    Nice!

    #6 45 days ago
    Quoted from SarverSystems:

    Now you need to make a way for the player to level the machine by using his phone if he sees it is out of level.
    Some kind of servos on the leg levellers or under the playfield or something.

    With all the other unique mods ( lit flipper bats, plunger lit) I would not doubt it's in someones laboratory!

    #7 45 days ago

    We used these to level the machines for States last year in NC and all players were pleased!

    #8 45 days ago
    Quoted from SarverSystems:

    Now you need to make a way for the player to level the machine by using his phone if he sees it is out of level.
    Some kind of servos on the leg levellers or under the playfield or something.

    Uh, NO, because the first thing a savvy player would do would be to _de-level_ the machine to their advantage. Not something you want in the players' hands on location.

    #9 45 days ago

    Any location that cares enough to buy this device, probably cares enough to level the machine properly anyway.

    #10 45 days ago

    Very cool product!

    #11 45 days ago

    This will be sweet for tournament set-ups or opp's that move a bunch of games around regularly. I really like the idea but since I only have 1 game i doubt I'll buy one.

    #12 45 days ago

    Would be nice if players could see what the inline is

    #13 45 days ago

    Simply Awesome, John!

    #14 45 days ago
    Quoted from SarverSystems:

    Now you need to make a way for the player to level the machine by using his phone if he sees it is out of level.
    Some kind of servos on the leg levellers or under the playfield or something.

    I like the suggestion, but if that tech did exist I think I'd take it a step further and just automate keeping the machine adjusted properly. If the system knew it was out of adjustment it would instruct the legs to put itself back in.

    Quoted from Luckydogg420:

    This will be sweet for tournament set-ups or opp's that move a bunch of games around regularly. I really like the idea but since I only have 1 game i doubt I'll buy one.

    Yeah we have tested them for a few events and we are pretty happy with how they keep the experience similar for each player! Players can quickly check before their rounds to make sure the games are still setup within parameters.

    We've also set them up in our home pins and there are a couple of features we added to give it some value there as well. One of the things was the voice prompts to help adjust the machine. When I am moving machines around at home it's often just me. With Truelevel installed I don't have to take off the glass just to level the machine or check that it's in adjustment, I can just open my phone. If the game needs adjustment I can turn on the voice instructions and crawl under the machine to adjust the legs. The phone will say things like "Left Front Higher", etc...

    I'm as careful as I can be about taking out glass, but it still makes me nervous every time. This helps me cut down on the times I do that just to check the level of the pin.

    Quoted from zacaj:

    Would be nice if players could see what the inline is

    This was a topic that wildertronix and I went through a lot as well. We decided to start with the least amount of information available to the public and maybe add options in the future for the owners to expose more. One of the considerations was around a game that may play better with "odd" settings, like rolled to the left 0.2 degrees makes the game have less SDTM and is not noticeable by the players. If you saw in the phone app that the desired roll on the machine was +0.2 degrees, you might question the sanity of that.

    We didn't want people to be hung up on EXACT measurements like +6.50 degree pitch and 0.00 degree roll, because that might not be where the game plays the best. We wanted to leave that up to the owner. As a player you get to see if the game is set up the way the owner wants (whatever that may be).

    Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

    Simply Awesome, John!

    Thanks Art!!!

    #15 45 days ago
    Quoted from JWJr:

    Uh, NO, because the first thing a savvy player would do would be to de-level_ the machine to their advantage. Not something you want in the players' hands on location.

    It would only be enabled if the machine was out of level. Not allowing a player to make it worse than it is.

    #16 45 days ago

    You may want to zoom in on the bubble a bit more on the app. It's off by .56ยบ but it shows very close to the center of the glass. That's .58" over 5' which on 3/8-16 thread would be about 9 turns.

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    You could add in the math, showing the number of turns on the feet to get the machine to the desired level. You just need the foot spread.

    #17 45 days ago

    Now that I think about this more, for a home user like me, who extremely rarely moves his machines, I wouldn't have much use for this in it's current form. However, if I could just set this on the playfield and then go in the app and see how many turns on each leg to level my machine, I would find it very interesting. But I wouldn't want to purchase more than one.

    In order for it to lie flat, it would need an external battery pack and not use usb for power.

    #18 45 days ago

    Patent this and license it to stern. Etc.

    #19 45 days ago
    Quoted from yaksplat:

    You may want to zoom in on the bubble a bit more on the app.

    Great suggestion, I'll definitely make the middle circle bigger and make sure it uses more of the available range!

    Quoted from yaksplat:

    In order for it to lie flat, it would need an external battery pack and not use usb for power.

    We have a case like this in the works! Good idea.

    #20 45 days ago

    Love those ESP8266 chipsets so freaking powerful with built in wireless connectivity!

    Great product to build with one!

    #21 45 days ago
    Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

    I like the suggestion, but if that tech did exist I think I'd take it a step further and just automate keeping the machine adjusted properly. If the system knew it was out of adjustment it would instruct the legs to put itself back in.

    The tech does exist. It is actually something I have already looked into in the past. It's just really expensive. You can replace the feet with micro linear actuators, then control that via your software. But you are looking at adding a HUGE chunk of $$ to each build.

    #22 45 days ago
    Quoted from ViriiGuy:

    The tech does exist. It is actually something I have already looked into in the past. It's just really expensive. You can replace the feet with micro linear actuators, then control that via your software. But you are looking at adding a HUGE chunk of $$ to each build.

    It wouldn't surprise me if we see this at some point (not with this product but rather in a new full cab design) but rather than actuators leveling the entire machine at the feet, only the playfield itself would be moved.

    #23 45 days ago

    I did a test of this idea about 3 years ago. I spent about $600 on actuators, relays and a dev board.. But I was able to make a machine that could be adjusted remotely. I have since repurposed those actuators for other projects.. as I found it neat, but not really all that useful at home. Since my machines don't get move and never really go out of level.

    #24 45 days ago
    Quoted from russdx:

    Love those ESP8266 chipsets so freaking powerful with built in wireless connectivity!
    Great product to build with one!

    This particular one is the newer generation, the ESP32, but I completely agree. It's a fantastic line of products.

    Quoted from ViriiGuy:

    I did a test of this idea about 3 years ago. I spent about $600 on actuators, relays and a dev board.. But I was able to make a machine that could be adjusted remotely. I have since repurposed those actuators for other projects.. as I found it neat, but not really all that useful at home. Since my machines don't get move and never really go out of level.

    toyotaboy recently did a test of this as well, there's a video of it somewhere on dead flip's stream.

    #25 45 days ago

    Ordered one to try out.

    #26 44 days ago

    Are they easily movable between games? And does the board have to be perfectly aligned to get a true level? Definately interested

    #27 44 days ago

    Very cool. congrats, and good luck on the sales.

    #28 44 days ago

    This is pretty cool, can't wait to see the solution for a mobile version of it. Does it ever require any kind of calibration?? Nice job of getting a hand model to do your installation video for you BTW!

    #29 44 days ago
    Quoted from JWJr:

    Ordered one to try out.

    Thanks for giving it a shot! Please let us know what you think, and if you have any issues reach out to truelevelhelp@gmail.com we can always help! I'm always available by PM as well.

    Quoted from amkoepfer:

    Are they easily movable between games? And does the board have to be perfectly aligned to get a true level? Definitely interested

    Right now they ship with 3M command strips which is designed to keep it in place until you want to move it. Moving it does ruin the strips, but refill packs are available at a lot of locations. If you are looking for a way to move it between a bunch of games in a little plastic enclosure, we are working on that.

    It should be as aligned as you can make it with the edge of the playfield. The closer you align it with the playfield the better the readings are.

    Quoted from bobukcat:

    Does it ever require any kind of calibration??

    Nope, it shouldn't.

    Quoted from bobukcat:

    Nice job of getting a hand model to do your installation video for you BTW!

    Definitely, hahaha. No need to broadcast my own sausage fingers and beat up hands.

    #30 44 days ago

    Fantastic work wolfmarsh !!! Looking forward to adding one to my game

    #31 44 days ago

    Incredible. Love the creativity in this place!

    #32 44 days ago
    Quoted from swizzlefish:

    Fantastic work wolfmarsh !!! Looking forward to adding one to my game

    Quoted from seshpilot:

    Incredible. Love the creativity in this place!

    Thanks!!

    #33 43 days ago

    Would be nice if that also replaced the Tilt Bob.

    Still this is very nice. I've heard that this functionality is built into the new Stern system but they're in some sort of patent fight?

    #34 41 days ago
    Quoted from John_I:

    Would be nice if that also replaced the Tilt Bob.
    Still this is very nice. I've heard that this functionality is built into the new Stern system but they're in some sort of patent fight?

    Not entirely sure. I think someone does have a patent on devices that interface with a pinball machine, so we've avoided that for now.

    Thanks to Abari in Charlotte, NC for becoming the first location with 5 units in their rotation!!

    They have a very active player base and Truelevel is helping to offer them the best playing experience.

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    #35 35 days ago

    Thanks for your orders! We would love to hear some user feedback as well!

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