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Trouble in Germany???

By MustangPaul

11 months ago


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    #1 11 months ago

    I just got a PM from a customer of mine that he put a hold on his order because the German government just put a 25% punitive tariff on all pinball machines AND parts effective today. I pray he got some wrong info. All the 950 4300 xxxx, pinball and arcade machines and parts. Has anyone heard about this?

    #2 11 months ago

    Apparently true

    #5 11 months ago

    That’s it. I’m not moving to Germany!

    #6 11 months ago
    Quoted from MustangPaul:

    I just got a PM from a customer of mine that he put a hold on his order because the German government just put a 25% punitive tariff on all pinball machines AND parts effective today. I pray he got some wrong info. All the 950 4300 xxxx, pinball and arcade machines and parts. Has anyone heard about this?

    Yeah, I saw his post and my first thought was that I felt bad for you. Apparently some retaliation on their part. They probably suddenly grew a pair once our new leadership was determined.

    #7 11 months ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    That’s it. I’m not moving to Germany!

    You won’t have to?

    #9 11 months ago

    Is it Germany or EU in general? Our British friends are okay, right?

    #10 11 months ago
    Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

    Yeah, I saw his post and my first thought was that I felt bad for you. Apparently some retaliation on their part. They probably suddenly grew a pair once our new leadership was determined.

    Interesting point. Worth keeping an eye to see if others follow suit.

    #11 11 months ago
    Quoted from RyanStl:

    Is it Germany or EU in general? Our British friends are okay, right?

    That’s for every EU country.

    #12 11 months ago
    Quoted from RyanStl:

    Is it Germany or EU in general? Our British friends are okay, right?

    EU in general and currently it is also affecting us in the U.K.

    Stern, JJP, CGC etc will be hit big time when their next titles are revealed/released. A Pro with this new tariff in the U.K. will be £8100 ($10,700) there’s no way at those prices orders won’t take a massive hit!

    #13 11 months ago

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/09/eu-to-impose-tariffs-on-4-billion-of-us-products.html This is a feud that has been brewing since 2006 and has yet to be resolved

    #14 11 months ago

    well maybe it will help stern cut into its 5000 game back log

    #15 11 months ago

    Tariffs suck. Intended to shift demand to alternative product that are not being taxed. What are the options for a NIB pinball machine buyer other than another NIB pin? Some will delay their pin purchase and others will cancel altogether. I’d guess this slows down nib pinball imports to a drip and this completely shuts down used pins imports in EU. However, the tariff should not apply to used game sales within the EU boundaries. For that reason used games in EU are suddenly in higher demand, as used sales avoid the new tariff and sales tax too!

    #16 11 months ago

    Welcome to my world ... importing stuff to Norway is always taxed with a 25% sales tax.
    Doesn't matter where it comes from (US, EU, outside EU, Australia). Goes for both new and used stuff ... has been so for years and will stay so until we join the EU ☹☹☹

    #17 11 months ago
    Quoted from Zigzagzag:

    Welcome to my world ... importing stuff to Norway is always taxed with a 25% sales tax.
    Doesn't matter where it comes from (US, EU, outside EU, Australia). Goes for both new and used stuff ... has been so for years and will stay so until we join the EU ☹☹☹

    Yes, but you guys get massive salaries to make up for it in Norway
    Isn't that just the way your economy works?

    Like when you buy beer in Norway, cost a fortune on the VAT but you pay little in the way of income tax?
    I could be wrong however........

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    #18 11 months ago
    Quoted from Sako-TRG:

    Yes, but you guys get massive salaries to make up for it in Norway
    Isn't that just the way your economy works?
    Like when you buy beer in Norway, cost a fortune on the VAT but you pay little in the way of income tax?
    I could be wrong however........

    I pay about 40% in income tax.

    Not sure how to compare salaries, but :

    "Norway, the average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita is USD 35 725 a year, higher than the OECD average of USD 33 604 a year." (http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/norway/)

    So we may be a bit better off, but not vastly so ?

    But hey, I could always choose not to buy pinballs ...

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    #19 11 months ago

    We must save the Brandenburger Tor!

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    #20 11 months ago
    Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

    Yeah, I saw his post and my first thought was that I felt bad for you. Apparently some retaliation on their part. They probably suddenly grew a pair once our new leadership was determined.

    Not so much they grew a pair as we lost a pair.

    #21 11 months ago
    Quoted from Zigzagzag:

    "Norway, the average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita is USD 35 725 a year, higher than the OECD average of USD 33 604 a year." (http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/norway/)

    That is an interesting website, I bookmarked it. Regions are pretty big, though. For instance, Illinois is a region but living in Chicago is way different that living downstate. Guessing it is the same between living in Oslo or Trøndelag.

    Also, needs to add a category for how much public pinball in available in the region

    #22 11 months ago

    So if I bought a pin and sold it to someone in Germany, would the tariff apply?

    #23 11 months ago

    Yeah if the pin was manufactured in the US.

    #24 11 months ago

    this is on top of Vat tax so in UK its 25% Tarrif plus 20% vat tax right now

    #25 11 months ago
    Quoted from Ballypinball:

    this is on top of Vat tax so in UK its 25% Tarrif plus 20% vat tax right now

    We just have to wait for january and the Brexit ... than the UK pinballdealers will have huge sellerie to Europe.

    The joke is, the funny man with the red hair began this story with punitive tariff on steel and metall from EU.
    There is nothing we really need to import from the USA ... so they looked and found out: Whiskey, peanutbutter and pinballmachines. Thats it.
    When most americans do not collect steel beams in there garage, the industie is involved. In Europe we do collect pinballmachines, the industrie is not involved but a big community of pinheads with teir hobbystuff. That sucks ... they play a round of "trade wars" and a hobby scene is hit.
    Hopefully the new elected president fom the US of A stops that bullshit and find other ways to strengthen the US economy but not with punitive tariffs.

    Lucky people in china .. all punitive tariffs are payed by there goverment as far as I know .. okay, not a real reason to move to China

    Just my 5 cent.

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    #26 11 months ago
    Quoted from TomDK:

    Just my 5 cent.

    Here in America our opinions are only worth 2 cents.
    I guess the difference there must be from various tariffs.

    #27 11 months ago

    Has Hitler heard about this ? I think a funny video is in order ! Someone get on that !

    #28 11 months ago
    Quoted from Zigzagzag:

    But hey, I could always choose not to buy pinballs ...

    That's just crazy talk.

    #29 11 months ago
    Quoted from littlecammi:

    Here in America our opinions are only worth 2 cents.
    I guess the difference there must be from various tariffs.

    Nope .. you have US cents, we have EURO cents ... but the idea is nice

    #30 11 months ago
    Quoted from Zigzagzag:

    Welcome to my world ... importing stuff to Norway is always taxed with a 25% sales tax.
    Doesn't matter where it comes from (US, EU, outside EU, Australia). Goes for both new and used stuff ... has been so for years and will stay so until we join the EU ☹☹☹

    What are you talking about?
    (MY WORLD) bullshit.
    Do you think the rest of europe dont have sales tax?
    Well for pinball sweden will now have 25% sales tax and then an additional pay merkel/macron 25%

    Well atleast from now on, i can buy my games in norway and transport them over the border to sweden, since there is no toll for pins.
    Just have to wait for the corona border restrictions to be over.
    Sadly there is no jjp distro in norway, but thoose wanting stern games should be ok.

    #31 11 months ago

    Import taxes was the reason Stern set up manufacturing in Brazil. They were tasked to assemble games for sale throughout South America and this allows them to bypass the import duties which otherwise have crippled 100% of nib purchases. If this tax lasts in EU, Stern would do something similar there. I have never heard how many games the Brazil factory was making nor if they supply SA.

    Ironically, if this tax went on for awhile and looked like it was going to become permanent, used games would suddenly become worth more. Overnight they’d cost $1k more because of replacement cost which would now be $1k-$2k higher due to the new import tax. The increase would be free money to individual sellers (I think) and it would be caused entirely by enacting an artificial barrier. For now the tax seems temporary and so it will fester for awhile and it is expected to shut down NIB purchases.

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