TRON VE threads amuse me. The run hot and people get excited and hopeful. Then people come to in and try to cool it off by saying people really don’t want it because you can find one now, or people won’t pay 7k for a vault.

When I checked last year TRON is the most requested by search results in thread followed by LOTR.

I would/will by a TRON VE at up to 8k with an lcd.

Fuckin A

No, they want a TRON VE and will pay premium prices. Stern knows if they make a badass TRON vault it will do very very well. People should know by now that Stern isn't going to just run a TRON Pro and charge 5500. Those days are gone.

Also, IF stern does a TRON vault most people won't care about the original LE model...

Maybe this will clear it up. My other favorite pin is MB. Now that the MBr is out I would rather get the MBr and have no interest in getting the original at all.

Pretty much dead on Ice

For the most part the people that say we don’t need a TRON vault are owners of it already. Yes, YOU don’t want the vault - you already own it - however some very much do. After MMr, AFMr, MBr, and several vaults done already you can see why TRON pin fans (that don’t have it) are excited for a vault version of TRON. Why try and stomp out that enthusiasm after the remake and vault history we have seen so far?

Good point ... and maybe extra higher res play fields - whatever it takes man.

You may be wrong for all I know, but you may be right

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one....

-John L

Uh...nope

I hope not - but will reserve judgement until I see it

I honestly am fine if Stern vaults anything. ACDC? Sure. SpiderMan? OK. Star Trek? A bit too soon I guess, but sure go for it. TRON or LOTR? Awesome. They can vault whatever and I would not say 'No' or say it should NOT be done.

Can some one that does not want the TRON vault tell me why it is so bad? The ones I have seen are:

1. You don't need a vault you can find one now? That's how I did it.
Then why did we see the other vaults, and the success of the remakes. For the record I love the remakes too.

2. It is gluttonous to have more TRONs in the market.
Ok, not going even address this one -jeez.

3. It takes up line space for others to be made.
I can understand this one, but I don't think it should be a reason to stop a vault from being made.

I would think current owners would care less about the vault since they already own it. If that is the case I would think they would have the 'who cares' instead of the 'No' answer. I also don't think it is the worry over the value of their current pin. At least, I don't think so. Anyone that opposes TRON vault want to give a reason why they feel that way? Other than #1?

Any others?

Very few are expecting 5500 vaults I would think. I too hope we get a TRON vault for other pinheads that don't have it, and like you also think it probably won't happen

Agree. The TRON vault should not - will not - be a rerun of the LE. The vault version will be different for sure, how much who knows.

One thing is for sure. TRON vault is undoubtedly by far the most requested vault by pinside. Countless threads, over years and years. To the point of being saturated with 'beating a dead horse' gifs and the like. It has been, and continues to be, THE vault that is practically begged for by pinsiders.

The other frequent pin request that is a distant second is Jaws. And for the life of me I am amazed that Stern has made neither. Almost funny how stern isn't making them.

1. Unlikely
2. Possibly

or

3. Pure speculation: It is being developed now and will be announced soon'ish'

Not a fact at all - just a possibility is all.

I have zero evidence of a TRON or any other vault.

My point is - you gave 2 possible reasons (effectively) for why Stern hasn't done it.

1. Not enough interest in TRON vault
2. Can't secure licenses

I added a 3rd. The reason it hasn't came out is that they are still/currently working on it.

I will edit my former post to avoid confusion.

Not only that - they are promoting the TRON rides opening to celebrate Walt Disney Worlds 50th anniversary. Makes me think 2021 may be the vault year - and not this year (or next). So again, it may be quite a bit longer wait for TRON VE hopefuls.

My understanding is that the main reason for TRON 3 cancel was due to the Marvel Universe movies getting all the love and focus.
TRON uprising - have no idea - I don't even watch that show (even though I have seen 1 or 2 episodes). I couldn't get into it.

You may be right and Disney doesn't care for TRON as much - but would they reject a license for pinball due to that? They seem to be OK with it enough to poor millions into building the ride. So who knows...

Maybe they are selective. For pinball and amusement park rides it is cool - for movies and TV shows not so much.

They own the license - and it is well known (maybe not super popular) - so why not use it

It may be a dead license - but I am still excited to see and ride it. It looks amazing - especially lit up at night!

https://www.shanghaidisneyresort.com/en/attractions/tron-lightcycle-power-run/?CMP=ILC-DPFY19Q1wo1101180001A

Why wait

I don't mind buying used at all - however I would prefer new. But I am fairly new to the hobby. I am only going to get 3 pins. I am gainfully employed but I don't have a LOT of extra money for pins - and with my love of reefing, bourbon, and poker I manage to burn quite a few bucks each month. That said, I still save up for pinball machines. I am close to having enough set aside for pinball machine #2. Right now I am leaning toward MBr this summer. Then it will be a couple of years before getting the next one. If TRON VE comes out before then I will get it. If not, TRON VE will be #3. If TRON VE still isn't out I will look at the new pins and pick from them. I am very interested in JJP Toy Story if they make that. There are tons of good machines out there - so I don't worry too much about the TRON VE. IF they make it I will get it - if not I will get something else that I like. No biggie....

I brought up that the TRON VE may be a better version of TRON than the TRON LE - and people may very well prefer the Vault version more than the LE. And people got pissed as hell at me about it.

IN MY OPINION, for the most part people that own TRON (especially the LE) don't want a VE. Really seem to loath the idea. There are some exceptions - thank God.

Agree - If TRON VE is made my bet is that it would have an LCD. May not of course...just my guess.

Code can be ported to other systems, even different languages. If you have the source code you are in very good shape to port it - and you don't need emulation (unless you want to go that route). I am in software development - happens all the time. They aren't 'stuck' on past platforms for VEs unless they want to be.

It wouldn't surprise me if they did a LOTR VE (remake?) at all as that is one of Sterns best of all time. That said, TRON VE makes a lot of sense to vault (a ton of sense)

I’ve lost hope for 2019. Stern has their hands full already this year. Maybe next year....or the next...

2 points

1. I think Stern will continue to do vaults in the future
2. TRON is an excellent vault choice due to its popularity

so I think you will see a TRON vault one day.

But people don't expect 'like the new games' they are expecting a vault. Tron gameplay is fine the way it is - just like Monster Bash.

I think Stern knows this and will have to put a few cosmetic enhancements on the vault - what they are is anyone's guess.

Guilty. I want a TRON vault please, and thanks!

I am ALMOST there - but then I think it makes too much sense to create a TRON Vault that I go right back to expecting it again.

WOW

I am getting back into Vinyl myself and didn't even think about the TRON Legacy soundtrack on vinyl. I typically only get Vinyl from when the only medium available was vinyl and it was pressed from actual master tapes used in the recording process. So I get vinyl from about 1980 and before. So I have Pink Floyd, Boston debut, Eagles, Van Halen debut, Beatles, etc. - for the most part 60s and 70s rock. With a few Christmas and country albums here and there.

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Hopefully it will be worth the wait. And don't worry, there are plenty of pins and other things to burn money on while we wait

Pinball itself is very niche. TRON is a well known title in pinball and insiders alone would garner several sales for Stern. Coinciding the TRON Vault with the ride opening would be just the amount of exposure (coupled with existing pinball enthusiast) to make the production of TRON VE worth while for Stern.

We can agree to disagree.

Like we have for the last 4 years on this topic ...

Disagree on Vault or No Vault - and you are winning

Also, yeah...if they actually do make a TRON VE I will be very concerned with the PF. Well, I will be concerned no matter what they do at this point.

And yet both you and Rare Hero have a TRON pinball machine...Maybe others would like to see TRON get a VE, we can certainly pay for a used (that was more than NIB) if we like. My point is that I would like to get an updated TRON.

But that is up to Stern and not me (us) - and I think it is not just limited to a very small group of people.

I don't easily dismiss it at all...in fact the longer it goes they don't create it the more likely they never will. I think they have a window of about a year or so to do it or not. Then I think the shelf life really has ran out.

Right now I am most excited about R&M

The remakes have shown that a well integrated theme and simple rules work. Now TRON is no MB or MM but it isn't too bad, and I think has a good shot as a vault candidate. It very well may not happen, and that is OK, it would be nice though

At a minimum I would expect higher res decals on cabinet and higher res play field. The home run will be the new lcd based stern cabinet, the movie assets instead of dots, improved bit rate on sound, etc.

I think there is a lot of demand for this title as a vault, and I think stern does as well. OP: would you add a poll to see how many would likely buy a TRON Vault if it is created?

I would like to know what that number would be. I could create a survey, but I don't want to create yet another TRON vault thread because there are so many already - and it has been requested more than any other pin for a vault by far.

It is going to be interesting which Stern goes with if they do a TRON vault.

Well hell. I would like to have seen it. I think with good writing the TRON universe could still be a hit even today. But, apparently Disney is having a hard time revitalizing it's TRON universe.

Agree. If I could have any pinball that stern has ever made I would select a TRON LE easy. And I have played almost them all, even the new ones. Why there isn't a TRON vault is unbelievable, but at this point I am not expecting it. If they make a TRON vault I will buy it, if not I won't. There will be other pins to buy, so I guess it's fine either way. But to me TRON and LOTR are the best so far from Stern.

TRON 3 is confirmed...but I hope they still vault legacy.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/tron-3-back-track-director-garth-davis-1306650

Your reasoning for this?

I don't think you have to do Gem and Quorra - but I sure would! (giggity)

I agree. IF they vault it I would like an updated TRON Legacy pin.

And I doubt 2020 is the year...

I don’t think stern would need money down to vault TRON, or I would pay in full right now. So I’ll just wait...

Not me...I'll get one for sure - unless they completely F it up