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Tron VE in 2020


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“Tron VE in 2019?”

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#551 3 months ago

Every year that goes by with no Tron VE makes for worse odds of this happening.

#552 3 months ago

And yet both you and Rare Hero have a TRON pinball machine...Maybe others would like to see TRON get a VE, we can certainly pay for a used (that was more than NIB) if we like. My point is that I would like to get an updated TRON.

But that is up to Stern and not me (us) - and I think it is not just limited to a very small group of people.

#553 3 months ago
Quoted from Goronic:

And yet both you and Rare Hero have a TRON pinball machine...Maybe others would like to see TRON get a VE, we can certainly pay for a used (that was more than NIB) if we like. My point is that I would like to get an updated TRON.

I’d like an updated Big Bang Bar. It may happen, it may not. We don’t always get what we want...but, the nice thing is - the games we want already exist if we reaaaaally want one that badly.

My ownership of Tron has nothing to do with anything. I wouldn’t be upset at a Tron remake. It’s just bizarre to see some people so convinced it will happen, that the logic about why it hasn’t and probably won’t is just so easily dismissed.

#554 3 months ago
Quoted from Goronic:

And yet both you and Rare Hero have a TRON pinball machine...Maybe others would like to see TRON get a VE, we can certainly pay for a used (that was more than NIB) if we like. My point is that I would like to get an updated TRON.
But that is up to Stern and not me (us) - and I think it is not just limited to a very small group of people.

I'm just saying a TRON 2020 edition with modern Prem. pricing attached wouldn't be as high a volume seller as you'd think.
I finally bought a used Tron a few months ago after coming to the conclusion that:

A) Stern was unlikely to produce a Tron LE at all (for reasons mentioned by rarehero and others).
B) Even if they did, they would most likely cost more than current used sale prices, include a lot less in terms of mods, etc. and come with unknown PF and other component quality issues.

Tron is a fun game, no doubt, but in the current pinball market I just don't see a large number of buyers at the price point it would be, for what is now a dated SAM game with few DMD animations, simple rules, etc.

#555 3 months ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

It’s just bizarre to see some people so convinced it will happen, that the logic about why it hasn’t and probably won’t is just so easily dismissed.

I don't easily dismiss it at all...in fact the longer it goes they don't create it the more likely they never will. I think they have a window of about a year or so to do it or not. Then I think the shelf life really has ran out.

Right now I am most excited about R&M

#556 3 months ago
Quoted from Fytr:

a dated SAM game with few DMD animations, simple rules, etc.

I will take this any day over Spike but that's just me.

#557 3 months ago
Quoted from Fytr:

Tron is a fun game, no doubt, but in the current pinball market I just don't see a large number of buyers at the price point it would be, for what is now a dated SAM game with few DMD animations, simple rules, etc.

The remakes have shown that a well integrated theme and simple rules work. Now TRON is no MB or MM but it isn't too bad, and I think has a good shot as a vault candidate. It very well may not happen, and that is OK, it would be nice though

#558 3 months ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

I’d like an updated Big Bang Bar. It may happen, it may not. We don’t always get what we want...but, the nice thing is - the games we want already exist if we reaaaaally want one that badly.
My ownership of Tron has nothing to do with anything. I wouldn’t be upset at a Tron remake. It’s just bizarre to see some people so convinced it will happen, that the logic about why it hasn’t and probably won’t is just so easily dismissed.

Probably the same crowd that buys lottery tickets? Ya know, the folks who don't want to raise taxes on wealthy folks because they are convinced they will hit the lottery any day now Gotta love our aspirational culture...

#559 3 months ago

5 Trons in the market place for sale...

Im off to play mine now

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#560 3 months ago
Quoted from Kiwipinhead:

5 Trons in the market place for sale...
Im off to play mine now

Exactly. When IM was Vaulted, they sold immediately.

This LE has been listed for over 1 month...gorgeous game very fairly priced.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-tron-legacy-le-25#post-5470124

Yesterday, I got to Portal and Daft Punk MB. TRON is the total package.

The only game that beats it is JP2!

#561 3 months ago
Quoted from Kiwipinhead:

5 Trons in the market place for sale...
Im off to play mine now

And how many of those are NIB at todays Stern premium prices???

#562 3 months ago
Quoted from Boat:

I’m down, how did/does it perform on route? I assume thats one of the big factors stern would look at for bringing it back.

I have one on route it does ok, dead pool, guardians, jurassic park 3, game of thrones etc all do better

#563 3 months ago
Quoted from arcademojo:

And how many of those are NIB at todays Stern premium prices???

Sorry you missed out, Hang in there, a vault is coming

#564 3 months ago
Quoted from vbittnv:

Actually, you are wrong there... Redshifts ramp kit controls drop targets if you swap in a 4 bank.

Links?

#566 3 months ago

Maybe stern should make a Tron EM and really go back to their roots, especially for the geek analog freaks; it could have a record player attached and a mono phone pointing at the player for the pure old school nostalgic feel and sound.

#567 3 months ago
Quoted from Chosen_S:

Maybe stern should make a Tron EM and really go back to their roots, especially for the geek analog freaks; it could have a record player attached and a mono phone pointing at the player for the pure old school nostalgic feel and sound.

....but it happens inside a computer. You've set the way back machine too far again Sherman

#568 86 days ago
Quoted from Goronic:

And yet both you and Rare Hero have a TRON pinball machine...Maybe others would like to see TRON get a VE, we can certainly pay for a used (that was more than NIB) if we like. My point is that I would like to get an updated TRON.
But that is up to Stern and not me (us) - and I think it is not just limited to a very small group of people.

And what exactly is an updated Tron VE going to have over a used and modded HUO Tron (besides a PF of questionnable quality)?

#569 86 days ago
Quoted from Utesichiban:

And what exactly is an updated Tron VE going to have over a used and modded HUO Tron (besides a PF of questionnable quality)?

The process of buying a NIB pin is very easy. Just call a distributor, give them a card number, and it shows up at your door. I'd much rather do that than try to find one as close as possible, have to drive, deal with an unknown seller, etc.

That said, I've swung back into buying HUO when possible. At least in that case, you can inspect before you buy.

#570 86 days ago
Quoted from Utesichiban:

And what exactly is an updated Tron VE going to have over a used and modded HUO Tron (besides a PF of questionnable quality)?

At a minimum I would expect higher res decals on cabinet and higher res play field. The home run will be the new lcd based stern cabinet, the movie assets instead of dots, improved bit rate on sound, etc.

#571 86 days ago
Quoted from Utesichiban:

And what exactly is an updated Tron VE going to have over a used and modded HUO Tron (besides a PF of questionnable quality)?

Depends. If they go the Spider-Man vault route it could have a lot of changes and if they go the AC/DC vault route then not many changes at all. Since they never technically made a premium they have a lot of options (I say technically because I know the box on the LE was stamped premium). I think an overhaul like SM would be the way to go because if it's just more of what already exists then people won't be as excited. The only thing I can guarantee is IF it does happen it will be expensive as fu*k considering the price of the most recent IMVE.

#572 86 days ago
Quoted from BoJo:

Depends. If they go the Spider-Man vault route it could have a lot of changes and if they go the AC/DC vault route then not many changes at all. Since they never technically made a premium they have a lot of options (I say technically because I know the box on the LE was stamped premium). I think an overhaul like SM would be the way to go because if it's just more of what already exists then people won't be as excited. The only thing I can guarantee is IF it does happen it will be expensive as fu*k considering the price of the most recent IMVE.

And yet SM Vault despite the cartoon based theme and a few minor enhancements is still the same game as the original.

My point is more that the quality of both Stern's cabinets and playfields has regressed since the original Trons were made. I have a HUO Tron Pro with a lot of nice mods are the playfield and cabinet are still in great condition. Buying NIB from Stern these days is a bit like playing the lottery or roulette as it pertains to quality.

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#573 79 days ago
Quoted from Utesichiban:

And yet SM Vault despite the cartoon based theme and a few minor enhancements is still the same game as the origina

And yet SM vault is preferred many and killed the price of originals and the BSM. I'm all about originals and haven't purchased a NIB in a long time due to their recent quality issues. Personally I hated the SMVE but I am clearly in the minority because if the masses preferred orginal the prices would not have dropped so drastically.

Look at Ironman. While I prefer originals if everyone else did as well then they would demand more money then the VE. People like NIB and having something new to unbox. Slap new art work on it and these NIB Newbies will be tripping over themselves to get one.

#574 79 days ago

At the very least it would be interesting to see how much of it gets stripped away. A moving Recogniser, spinning disc AND fibre optics? Cmon. Count yourself lucky if you get the drop targets.

#575 79 days ago
Quoted from BoJo:

People like NIB and having something new to unbox. Slap new art work on it and these NIB Newbies will be tripping over themselves to get one.

Pathetic. I've had my share of NIB games, but much prefer buying NOB. For example, I have 2 JP2 Premiums...one NIB, one NOB. The NOB has some nice upgrades (hard-to-find Stern shooter, art blades, shaker), was dialed-in, and was less expensive than the NIB.

#576 79 days ago
Quoted from snaroff:

Pathetic. I've had my share of NIB games, but much prefer buying NOB. For example, I have 2 JP2 Premiums...one NIB, one NOB. The NOB has some nice upgrades (hard-to-find Stern shooter, art blades, shaker), was dialed-in, and was less expensive than the NIB.

Yet you bought another. XD

#577 79 days ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

Yet you bought another. XD

Hmm. Assuming you speak english, my point is pretty basic. Do you understand the word "prefer"? If not, look it up and reread my post.

#578 79 days ago
Quoted from BoJo:

And yet SM vault is preferred many and killed the price of originals and the BSM

Every vault kills the price of the original. Iron Man, Medieval Madness, AFM, Monster Bash, AC/DC Luci... Even SM. It wasn't that it was better (because it didn't have J.K. Simmons, it could never be better), it was just the fact that they remade it lowering the exclusivity of the title.

#579 79 days ago
Quoted from snaroff:

Hmm. Assuming you speak english, my point is pretty basic. Do you understand the word "prefer"? If not, look it up and reread my post.

I understand perfectly, but since I don't know why, when and in what order you bought your JP2 machines what you wrote get's the meaning of:
"My JP2 NOB is way better, so I bought a second one NIB", wich is pretty funny.

There is propably some good reason that you bought them two times (Edition upgrade or whatever) but without knowing that it just reads funny for me, no ill will intended.

#580 79 days ago

If you really want to guess what VE is coming next, just take the Stern Factory tour at Expo... look for bins full of parts. I knew Star Trek was going to get vaulted, there were WAY to many USS Vengeance sculpts laying around in bins. So keep your eyes open on the next tour...

#581 79 days ago
Quoted from Bublehead:

If you really want to guess what VE is coming next, just take the Stern Factory tour at Expo... look for bins full of parts. I knew Star Trek was going to get vaulted, there were WAY to many USS Vengeance sculpts laying around in bins. So keep your eyes open on the next tour...

what if we can see d*ck everywhere !?
you than think we'll soon have a Moby Dick pinball ?

(joke inside, nobody be upset please)

#582 78 days ago
Quoted from DaveH:

Every vault kills the price of the original. Iron Man, Medieval Madness, AFM, Monster Bash, AC/DC Luci... Even SM. It wasn't that it was better (because it didn't have J.K. Simmons, it could never be better), it was just the fact that they remade it lowering the exclusivity of the title.

Star Trek vault, which we own, did not kill the price of older machines. Great playing machine and one of Stern’s best shooting games.

#583 77 days ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

I understand perfectly, but since I don't know why, when and in what order you bought your JP2 machines what you wrote get's the meaning of:
"My JP2 NOB is way better, so I bought a second one NIB", wich is pretty funny.
There is propably some good reason that you bought them two times (Edition upgrade or whatever) but without knowing that it just reads funny for me, no ill will intended.

I see, but your quote is (again) off target. I never said, "My JP2 NOB is way better, so I bought a second one NIB".

Explanation is simple...I live in 2 places. TRON & JP2 are my "go to" games, so I have 2 copies of each. Bought my NIB soon after the game was released (before NOB's were available).

Beautifully modded TRON Pro's and LE's are pretty easy to get @ sensible prices (and the PF's are superior to what is shipped now)...no need for a VE.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-very-nicetron-legacy-pro#post-5506739

#584 77 days ago
Quoted from Bazzy34:

Star Trek vault, which we own, did not kill the price of older machines. Great playing machine and one of Stern’s best shooting games.

I beg to differ, I couldn’t sell my HUO with low plays for more than $4200. It certainly did kill the value.

#585 77 days ago
Quoted from snaroff:

Pathetic. I've had my share of NIB games, but much prefer buying NOB. For example, I have 2 JP2 Premiums...one NIB, one NOB. The NOB has some nice upgrades (hard-to-find Stern shooter, art blades, shaker), was dialed-in, and was less expensive than the NIB.

Totally agree.....buying a nice HUO used game is by far the best option...opening a NIB is great for about 20 minutes...completely over rated

#586 77 days ago
Quoted from PtownPin:

Totally agree.....buying a nice HUO used game is by far the best option...opening a NIB is great for about 20 minutes...completely over rated

Yep, and the first 20 NIB minutes can be much worse when you realize there are build quality issues (much more common lately, unfortunately). If you buy a NOB, many collectors have already dialed in the game and fixed issues.

#587 77 days ago
Quoted from Bazzy34:

Star Trek vault, which we own, did not kill the price of older machines. Great playing machine and one of Stern’s best shooting games.

I'm inclined to disagree but more because of the type of "vault" Star Ttek was. Not so much that the vaults bring down the price of the originals but that these "vaults" that are just continued runs (Metallica, Star Trek, Iron Man*(the first times) bring down the value of all the versions of the title (minus LE models obviously) through over saturation.
Star Trek is available on the used market for much lower than other quality Stern titles of the time.
Up here in Canada a Star Trek pro can go for as little as 6k(cdn) with a bit of luck and a premium can fetch about 9k(cdn)
A tron pro goes for about 8.5k(cdn) and a premium would likely be over 11k(cdn)
Metallica suffers from the same over production as Star Trek.
That being said, with a Tron vault being a true vault (bring back a long out of production game) I DO believe you will see OG Tron dropping dramatically if the vaults are prices are current Stern pricing. If it's a premium only Spiderman type thing, maybe not so much.
Man that a long rant. Sunday+lunchtime+weed lol

#588 77 days ago
Quoted from DaveH:

Every vault kills the price of the original. Iron Man, Medieval Madness, AFM, Monster Bash, AC/DC Luci... Even SM. It wasn't that it was better (because it didn't have J.K. Simmons, it could never be better), it was just the fact that they remade it lowering the exclusivity of the title.

I would somewhat disagree with this statement. AFM has been my dream pin for 3 years. I finally saved up enough money to buy one, and I was looking for an original in good condition (didn't want to have to fix a bunch of stuff - I get that pleasure from my other pins). Anyway, I searched for months and was really becoming discouraged on the price points for good machines. Then within driving distance an AFMr LE green edition hit the market which got me curious. Having never considered buying the reproduction, I began research and reading a lot and decided I would go that direction. In the end, I ended up with a AFMr LE sold at market price for less than or the same for any good condition AFM original I could find on the market.

Maybe when they first came out the original took a price hit, but that market is alive and well today. I'm sure with the limited supply that come up there are still classic buyers who would never consider the reproduction version of the game.

Besides, if you use pinball machines as your primary investment tool, I think you are taking the wrong approach. I'd rather view them as luxury hobby items. You buy one, play if for a period of time, then sell it with a little loss over time and consider that the price of entertainment.

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#589 77 days ago

Hey Stern, I don’t like the fact that a Tron is so expensive. Will you make some new ones please!! Waaaaaaahhhhhhhh.

Go buy one that’s up for sale and quit this nonsense.

#590 76 days ago
Quoted from snaroff:

Yep, and the first 20 NIB minutes can be much worse when you realize there are build quality issues (much more common lately, unfortunately). If you buy a NOB, many collectors have already dialed in the game and fixed issues.

Fully agree, I bought a NIB GBLE and had lots of issues (playfield swap, Spike 1 issue with sound, airballs, etc) It really took me over a year to get all fixed. All new boards etc, all warrantee by Stern but still, lots of calls. I recenly bought a NIB JPLE, I did not want to buy NIB anymore but since all JPLE's are sold I could not resist this offer. Troubles again, build quality is even lower than GBLE, issues with a node board that needs to be replaced. I spend already over 8 hours getting this game setup correctly, all small issues but still. You need to do a lot of work. Again I will say never a NIB for me......

#591 76 days ago
Quoted from PeterG:

but since all JPLE's are sold I could not resist this offer.

Dont believe the hype. My distributor still have JP LEs. Things dont move as fast as pinside tries to make you feel they do. Shit, I can still get a nib Spiderman vault if I wanted one.

#592 76 days ago
Quoted from kklank:

Hey Stern, I don’t like the fact that a Tron is so expensive. Will you make some new ones please!! Waaaaaaahhhhhhhh.
Go buy one that’s up for sale and quit this nonsense.

How about you go eat a dk?

#593 76 days ago
Quoted from Kiwipinhead:

5 Trons in the market place for sale...
Im off to play mine now

Not in Australia

#594 75 days ago

I think there is a lot of demand for this title as a vault, and I think stern does as well. OP: would you add a poll to see how many would likely buy a TRON Vault if it is created?

I would like to know what that number would be. I could create a survey, but I don't want to create yet another TRON vault thread because there are so many already - and it has been requested more than any other pin for a vault by far.

#595 75 days ago
Quoted from Goronic:

I think there is a lot of demand for this title as a vault, and I think stern does as well. OP: would you add a poll to see how many would likely buy a TRON Vault if it is created?

If so,
-TRON ve (rerelease at current pro and premium pricing)
-TRON (same thing, only premium models and pricing available)
-TRON ve (same game. New art package. Pro)
-TRON ve (same game. New art package. Premium)
-TRON ve (lcd screen with movie clip) (I've heard they have the rights to these)
-TRON ve (original movie retheme with lcd)
And on and on and on lol.
There are lots of different types of folks hoping for a Tron ve. I'm in the camp of hoping to see an 80s TRON machine something like the did with Spiderman ve but im not holding my breath.

#596 75 days ago
Quoted from Graysonsdad:

If so,
-TRON ve (rerelease at current pro and premium pricing)
-TRON (same thing, only premium models and pricing available)
-TRON ve (same game. New art package. Pro)
-TRON ve (same game. New art package. Premium)
-TRON ve (lcd screen with movie clip) (I've heard they have the rights to these)
-TRON ve (original movie retheme with lcd)
And on and on and on lol.
There are lots of different types of folks hoping for a Tron ve. I'm in the camp of hoping to see an 80s TRON machine but not holding my breath.

It is going to be interesting which Stern goes with if they do a TRON vault.

#597 75 days ago
Quoted from Goronic:

It is going to be interesting which Stern goes with if they do a TRON vault.

Whichever way they go, it'll be the wrong one (to the vocal dissenters).

#598 75 days ago
Quoted from Alby:

Not in Australia

None in NZ either

Snap it up quick when they do

#599 75 days ago

Crazy question..... but would you guys consider 66 a vault. If so it seems like the price of BDK has gone up

#600 75 days ago
Quoted from hoby1:

Crazy question..... but would you guys consider 66 a vault. If so it seems like the price of BDK has gone up

I dont consider it a vault as much as a retheme (which happens to also be another Batman)
I dont consider Beatles to be a Sea Witch ve.
For that matter, it's not even that different from how xmen, tron (and data east JP) take major cues from Whirlwind. Or Guardians being a variation of Metallica. Or half of Steve Ritchies games using similar layouts. They are just repurposed existing playfield designs. Nothing wrong that. I like Ripleys but its ugly and a dumb theme. If stern tweaked that playfield and threw a theme I enjoy on it I'd be down but its not a Ripleys ve. End rant

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