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Tron Pro apron mod: my new Tron LE style apron, check it out...


By Buckles

6 years ago



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#1 6 years ago

A few months ago I was working on my Xmen Wolverine one day and I had the apron out and on the floor. Unfortunately it was damaged so I had to order up a new apron from Stern (I have a 9 and 7 year old and let's just say sometimes "stuff happens"). Once I got the new one I put the decals and yellow window inserts on from the old one and my Xmen was as good as new.

I now had a plain blue apron that I wasn't sure what to do with. We had recently received our new Tron Pro 2D, and I thought why not put this apron in the Tron? So I took it to a body shop to fix it and paint it black (cost me $75 for this). Terry from PBL can get some blue window inserts so I ordered those from him (plus a few other parts for it: brackets, screws, sockets and molex connectors). From BAA I ordered a decal set and some wire.

I put it all together and below are the pictures of it (the first picture is the good ol' plastic apron that comes in our Tron Pros). It's not exactly like the Tron LE apron because you can't order one unless you have a Tron LE. But you can still order up all the parts you need and you can make a pretty cool looking LE style apron (Terry can get an LE style apron but you'd still need to paint it). When it was at the body shop I also had to get them to fill in and smooth out the 3 spots where the threads are welded in (you can see the spots on the topside of the apron). The decal is a Tron Pro but all I had to do was trim the top of it so it would fit properly.

As for the wiring, the P6 and P7 locations on the board actually work on the Tron Pro. The hardware and software are all dialed in and all you need to do is push the wires in and you're good to go. So the apron lights in my Pro work exactly like they do on an LE. Below is a little clip to show you that they do indeed work (remember to change it to 1080 for quality).

At first I thought the apron looked a little empty without the triangle shaped decals around the windows but after playing it for a week I love the look of it without them. It looks cleaner and sleeker (in my opinion). The window inserts also look very cool when they go off because it's just a black outline around it.

If anyone is interested in putting one of these together for themselves I can post up all the parts you'd need (and where to order from) and what the cost would be. This wasn't cheap to do, but in the end it's pretty freakin' cool!

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#2 6 years ago

Pretty classy man! definite improvement!

#3 6 years ago

That's actually pretty cool. What was the total cost?

#4 6 years ago

Awesome!! Nicely done...

#5 6 years ago
Quoted from Mudflaps:

What was the total cost?

Off the top of my head I can't remember, have to go back and tally up all of the various things. I'll try to add everything up in a bit and let you know.

#6 6 years ago

That looks SWEET!! Curious how much the replacement apron was..

#7 6 years ago
Quoted from pinball_customs:

Curious how much the replacement apron was

I think the apron is around $80 to $100 (through Terry at PBL - just send him an email to confirm the price). The one that I got from Stern was right around this price as well (but that's just for the metal apron, no window inserts or decals).

#8 6 years ago

Very nice

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#9 6 years ago
Quoted from DrStarkweather:

definite improvement!

Now you think Tron Pros need to be improved on the apron too?

#10 6 years ago

I've had a few requests for the parts / cost, below is the shopping list for what you'd need to create your own LE style apron (most of it is just small stuff):

Pinball Life stuff:
- Apron with cut outs for windows (LE style apron):
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=2956 . Cost is $75

- Blue window inserts. A pair of these is $39.95.

- 2 mounting screws for the apron (part number is 237-6013-00)

- 1 of these: 2 pin male / male Z connector: $0.60
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=2095

- 2 of these: .156 (3.96 mm) IDC connector: $0.36
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=2461

- 2 of these: stern arch retaining bracket: $6.50
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=2015

- 6 screws for the arch retaining bracket (chances are you'll probably have some of these kicking around if you have some parts at home, if not just add these to the list of things above that you're emailing Terry about).

- 6 nylon lock nuts. I bought some at Home Depot but pretty sure they are these ($0.36):
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=226

If those nuts aren't #6s then they are #8s (Terry has these as well). You'll need a 1/4 socket for them.

- 2 of these: 89 bayonet base sockets $2.50.
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=297

I just used some double sided tape to mount them to the playfield. If you're planning on screwing them in order 1 of the sockets above and one of these (this one has a longer base and you would need this to mount the bracket to the playfield):

http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=298

Bay Area Amusements:
- 1 of these: Tron decal set $60. You don't have to order new decals if you don't want to, you can simply peel off the decals off your Tron Pro apron and then put them on the new apron.

http://bayareaamusements.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=BAA&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=GS-TRON802-5000-B9

You can also get a decal set from Marco Specialties. The decal sets that PBL sells do not include the apron decals.

- 1 of these: It comes in a 10 foot length, make sure to order 20 feet as you will most likely use more than 10 feet (all depends how you run the wire, but for an extra $2.25 it's worth it): $4.50.

http://bayareaamusements.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=HA-
30022-07

- 1 of these: same thing, order 20 feet to be on the safe side: $4.50.
http://bayareaamusements.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=HA-30022-39

- 1 of these: You only need 10 feet of this one: $2.75
http://bayareaamusements.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=HA-30018-32

The first two wires are 22 AWG and the third wire is 18 AWG. BAA has lots of other colours to choose from, so if you don't like these ones just pick something else.

The cost to have my apron painted was $75. The colour they used is called Rally Flat Black. You can paint the apron yourself, but you'll have to do a bit of filling / sanding / priming to fill in the threads that were welded in on the underside.

Marco Specialties:
- 1 of these: You need 2 mylar strips for the apron (Terry from PBL had them but now he can't order them). This should work, it's a 5 inch by 12 inch piece that's 3mm thick. For the apron you need 2 strips (198mm x 19mm): $6.38
http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/66-MMFT

The only other thing you would need is some cable ties / zap straps (the small ones, 4 inch). You would need about 20 or so of these.

So if you buy all of the parts it's around $210 (and maybe a few bucks more for some nuts). If it costs you $75 to get it painted that's $285 in total (plus shipping costs for your stuff). If you can paint it yourself and use your decals from your existing Tron Pro apron that would save you around $135, so all in all you should be able to put it together for around $155.

I spent around $285 and to me it's totally worth it, I love the look of the apron and to have the functioning apron flashers is very cool!

If you put together your own apron make sure to post a picture of it, would like to see it!

When I get a chance I'll post up a few pictures that will help you with installing it.

#11 6 years ago
Quoted from Buckman:

I've had a few requests for the parts / cost, below is the shopping list for what you'd need to create your own LE style apron:
Pinball Life stuff:
- Apron with cut outs for windows (LE style apron). A couple of months ago Terry gave me a price of $82.50 for an apron (this is just the metal apron). I'm not sure if the price is the same or not, but wouldn't be surprised if it's somewhere in that ballpark.
- Blue window inserts. A pair of these is $41.20.
- 2 mounting screws for the apron (part number is 237-6013-00)
Terry doesn't list these parts on his site, just send him an email / PM through Pinside and he'll take care of you. His email is: Terry@pinballlife.com
- 1 of these: 2 pin male / male Z connector: $0.60
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=2095
- 2 of these: .156 (3.96 mm) IDC connector: $0.36
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=2461
- 2 of these: stern arch retaining bracket: $6.50
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=2015
- 6 screws for the arch retaining bracket (chances are you'll probably have some of these kicking around if you have some parts at home, if not just add these to the list of things above that you're emailing Terry about).
- 6 nylon lock nuts. I bought some at Home Depot but pretty sure they are these ($0.36):
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=226
If those nuts aren't #6s then they are #8s (Terry has these as well). You'll need a 1/4 socket for them.
- 2 of these: 89 bayonet base sockets $2.50.
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=297
I just used some double sided tape to mount them to the playfield. If you're planning on screwing them in order 1 of the sockets above and one of these (this one has a longer base and you would need this to mount the bracket to the playfield):
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=298
Bay Area Amusements:
- 1 of these: Tron decal set $60. You don't have to order new decals if you don't want to, you can simply peel off the decals off your Tron Pro apron and then put them on the new apron.
http://bayareaamusements.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=BAA&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=GS-TRON802-5000-B9
You can also get a decal set from Marco Specialties. The decal sets that PBL sells do not include the apron decals.
- 1 of these: It comes in a 10 foot length, make sure to order 20 feet as you will most likely use more than 10 feet (all depends how you run the wire, but for an extra $2.25 it's worth it): $4.50.
http://bayareaamusements.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=HA-
30022-07
- 1 of these: same thing, order 20 feet to be on the safe side: $4.50.
http://bayareaamusements.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=HA-30022-39
- 1 of these: You only need 10 feet of this one: $2.75
http://bayareaamusements.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=HA-30018-32
The first two wires are 22 AWG and the third wire is 18 AWG. BAA has lots of other colours to choose from, so if you don't like these ones just pick something else.
The cost to have my apron painted was $75. The colour they used is called Rally Flat Black. You can paint the apron yourself, but you'll have to do a bit of filling / sanding / priming to fill in the threads that were welded in on the underside.
So if you buy all of the parts it's around $205 (and maybe a few bucks more for some nuts). If it costs you $75 to get it painted that's $280 in total. If you can paint it yourself and use your decals from your existing Tron Pro apron that would save you around $135, so all in all you should be able to put it together for around $150.
I spent around $280 and to me it's totally worth it, I love the look of the apron and to have the functioning apron flashers is very cool!
If you put together your own apron make sure to post a picture of it, would like to see it!

Nice, classy mod!

#12 6 years ago

I was speaking with Kim at Kimballs Pinballs today (http://www.kimballspinballs.com/home.html) and he said that he would be able to build the wiring harness for the apron (plus he's working on an LED strip option for it as well). So if you don't want to build the wiring harness just contact Kim and he'll help you out (on the list above just order up all of the apron, window inserts and the hardware to mount it).

Great guy to deal with!

#13 6 years ago

Very nice work Steve!

#14 6 years ago

It really looks great nice job.
Thanks for sharing the details.

#15 6 years ago
Quoted from Buckman:

I've had a few requests for the parts / cost, below is the shopping list for what you'd need to create your own LE style apron (most of it is just small stuff):
Pinball Life stuff:
- Apron with cut outs for windows (LE style apron). A couple of months ago Terry gave me a price of $82.50 for an apron (this is just the metal apron). I'm not sure if the price is the same or not, but wouldn't be surprised if it's somewhere in that ballpark. Terry should have the part number for it, we were talking about it earlier today.
- Blue window inserts. A pair of these is $41.20.
- 2 mounting screws for the apron (part number is 237-6013-00)
Terry doesn't list these parts on his site, just send him an email / PM through Pinside and he'll take care of you. His email is: Terry@pinballlife.com
- 1 of these: 2 pin male / male Z connector: $0.60
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=2095
- 2 of these: .156 (3.96 mm) IDC connector: $0.36
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=2461
- 2 of these: stern arch retaining bracket: $6.50
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=2015
- 6 screws for the arch retaining bracket (chances are you'll probably have some of these kicking around if you have some parts at home, if not just add these to the list of things above that you're emailing Terry about).
- 6 nylon lock nuts. I bought some at Home Depot but pretty sure they are these ($0.36):
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=226
If those nuts aren't #6s then they are #8s (Terry has these as well). You'll need a 1/4 socket for them.
- 2 of these: 89 bayonet base sockets $2.50.
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=297
I just used some double sided tape to mount them to the playfield. If you're planning on screwing them in order 1 of the sockets above and one of these (this one has a longer base and you would need this to mount the bracket to the playfield):
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=298
Bay Area Amusements:
- 1 of these: Tron decal set $60. You don't have to order new decals if you don't want to, you can simply peel off the decals off your Tron Pro apron and then put them on the new apron.
http://bayareaamusements.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=BAA&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=GS-TRON802-5000-B9
You can also get a decal set from Marco Specialties. The decal sets that PBL sells do not include the apron decals.
- 1 of these: It comes in a 10 foot length, make sure to order 20 feet as you will most likely use more than 10 feet (all depends how you run the wire, but for an extra $2.25 it's worth it): $4.50.
http://bayareaamusements.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=HA-
30022-07
- 1 of these: same thing, order 20 feet to be on the safe side: $4.50.
http://bayareaamusements.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=HA-30022-39
- 1 of these: You only need 10 feet of this one: $2.75
http://bayareaamusements.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=HA-30018-32
The first two wires are 22 AWG and the third wire is 18 AWG. BAA has lots of other colours to choose from, so if you don't like these ones just pick something else.
The cost to have my apron painted was $75. The colour they used is called Rally Flat Black. You can paint the apron yourself, but you'll have to do a bit of filling / sanding / priming to fill in the threads that were welded in on the underside.
The only other thing you would need is some cable ties / zap straps (the small ones, 4 inch). You would need about 20 or so of these.
So if you buy all of the parts it's around $205 (and maybe a few bucks more for some nuts). If it costs you $75 to get it painted that's $280 in total. If you can paint it yourself and use your decals from your existing Tron Pro apron that would save you around $135, so all in all you should be able to put it together for around $150.
I spent around $280 and to me it's totally worth it, I love the look of the apron and to have the functioning apron flashers is very cool!
If you put together your own apron make sure to post a picture of it, would like to see it!
When I get a chance I'll post up a few pictures that will help you with installing it.

Steve,
Great parts list!

I'll post Photos tomorrow of the factory #89's & Wiring under Apron location - I've submitted them to the IPDB but don't see them posted.
The Aprons finish perfectly matches the side rails!

Pin - K

www.KimballsPinballs.com

#16 6 years ago

Wow, great job! I like it!!!!! Thanks for the inspiration to do even more work on my Tron Pro

#17 6 years ago

That looks awesome! Fricken hate the plastic apron.

#18 6 years ago
Quoted from Propaganda:

Now you think Tron Pros need to be improved on the apron too?

The troll returns

#19 6 years ago
Quoted from rockinganker:

The troll returns

Don't be the last pinsider who doesn't have that guy set to 'Ignore'

#20 6 years ago
Quoted from rockinganker:

The troll returns

He is a Tron thread stalker very strange.

The ignore button feels so good.

#21 6 years ago

I reckon he's been raped in a dark alley by a nasty routed example. Probably sits there pulling arms off clu figurines too. haha. Shame all i see is 'ignored user comment'.

Great apron mod BTW.

#22 6 years ago

Great looking mod Steve.

#23 6 years ago

I'd pay extra to have someone assemble this for me, lmk.

#24 6 years ago

I forgot about the mylar ball tracking strips for the apron (I've edited the shopping list above to include them):

Marco Specialties:
- 1 of these: You need 2 mylar strips for the apron (Terry from PBL had them but now he can't order them). This should work, it's a 5 inch by 12 inch piece that's 3mm thick. For the apron you need 2 strips (198mm x 19mm, which is 7 13/16 x 3/4): $6.38

http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/66-MMFT

So after you cut the two pieces you need you'll have a few inches left over.

#25 6 years ago

Hrm, interesting. I'll be honest, even after playing LE's twice, I never even noticed that they had these....

Are there any "fading" effects, or is it simply on/off flashers? If the latter, I don't ever see myself spending the money to do this, but I find it odd that Stern left the functionality in code for the Pro....

#27 6 years ago
Quoted from Buckman:

I forgot about the mylar ball tracking strips for the apron (I've edited the shopping list above to include them):
Marco Specialties:- 1 of these: You need 2 mylar strips for the apron (Terry from PBL had them but now he can't order them). This should work, it's a 5 inch by 12 inch piece that's 3mm thick. For the apron you need 2 strips (198mm x 19mm, which is 7 13/16 x 3/4): $6.38
http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/66-MMFT
So after you cut the two pieces you need you'll have a few inches left over.

You should get some clear windows cut and put your original apron stickers on them. Then the flashers will light them up kinda like the new Avengers apron. Could be cool.

#28 6 years ago

It's amazing how much better the LE aprons look compared to the Pro aprons when you look at the side-by-side picture comparison above.

#29 6 years ago
Quoted from Frax:

Hrm, interesting. I'll be honest, even after playing LE's twice, I never even noticed that they had these....

Are there any "fading" effects, or is it simply on/off flashers? If the latter, I don't ever see myself spending the money to do this, but I find it odd that Stern left the functionality in code for the Pro....

I've only been playing with the new apron for this past week and what I've noticed is that they have a fading effect when you roll over the Flynn switch and start the mode (it's pretty cool, they pulse once and fade down), and all other times they are on / off. From what I've seen thus far they don't flash when the ball hits a switch, they are used in modes (so you notice them in Zeus, light cycle multi ball, disc multi ball, CLU mode, SOS, etc...). They also flash at various times throughout the game, just not sure what exactly triggers it because I'm trying to focus on keeping the ball in play.

So maybe you wouldn't notice them because they aren't constantly going off, but overall they are integrated quite nicely into the game.

It is odd that Stern left the functionality in there, but it's there and that's a bonus for us Pro owners!

#30 6 years ago
Quoted from treborlicec:

You should get some clear windows cut and put your original apron stickers on them. Then the flashers will light them up kinda like the new Avengers apron. Could be cool.

I was actually thinking about this but forgot to do it (when I saw the Avengers apron I thought about it). In the Tron decal set they have the two decals that would go over the cut outs, one day I might take one of the blue windows out and put a decal on to see what kind of effect it makes.

When I first started this I wanted to make the apron look just like the LE apron, but as I got working on it I thought why not just make it my own and do something a little different. The cool thing is that you could use this same approach and do up an apron for a machine like Iron Man. A flaming red apron on IM could look pretty awesome, and you could tie into a couple of the existing flashers for it. Would like to see someone do that!

#31 6 years ago

I just spoke with Alex about powder coating the aprons and he said that he can definitely do them. So if you're thinking about doing an apron keep Alex in mind (he's now Pinchroma on Pinside).

#32 6 years ago

Just added a red plastic translucent apron to ACDC premium. Messing with lighting effects now, but so far it's promising...

#33 6 years ago
Quoted from pinballlooking:

He is a Tron thread stalker

Sez the salesman...looking for buyers

#34 6 years ago

I'll take that mod if you develop it!!

#35 6 years ago

looks great man!! well done

#36 6 years ago
Quoted from Buckman:

Alex in mind (he's Pinchroma on Pinside).

Aha, that explains where "Pinchroma" came from......at least my assumption on who that was turned out to be correct.. nothing more confusing then longtime posters changing their handle. =|

#37 6 years ago

Here are some installation instructions that will help you out with installing your funky new apron and the wiring for it:

1) First thing you want to do is get your wiring figured out. The first picture is of the main board, and you'll see I'm pointing to the connector that you're going to use (this is to hook up the flashers).

2) The next picture is a close up of that connector. If you start from the right side that's P1. All you need to do is count over to the left until you get to P6 and P7. You'll see wires already in there for P1 to P4 and then P5 has nothing in it. Next up is P6, and the wire you push into there is for the left apron flasher (literally just push it in, all you need is a flat head screwdriver). You'll see I have a black and violet wire. Next up is P7, and you'll see I have an orange / white wire and this one is for the right apron flasher. You are using the 22 AWG wires you bought for this.

3) Once you've pushed in the wires just run them along the existing wiring harness to the left, and then down once you get to the far left of the backbox (through the black tube). The wires will come out at the bottom of the black tube (see the third picture). Once you're through the bottom of the tube you need to head on over to the big wiring harness that's over on the right (note that you can also bring your wires down from the right side of the backbox if you want, that'll work to). Make sure to leave a couple of feet of wire loose in the bottom of the cabinet (so you'll be able to pull your playfield out and put it back with no problems).

4) The two wires will then come up at the bottom of the playfield (see the next picture of the playfield, where they come up is the big white circle). All you do now is bring those wires up the playfield, just follow my arrows. Use the small cable ties to keep everything nice and tight. Follow the arrows all the way up until you get to the small circle at the top left of the playfield, this is where the wires will be pushed up through to the topside.

5) You now need to tap into the main power line for the flashers (it's an orange line). You'll use your 18 AWG wire, 2 molex connectors (and the Z connector) for this. See the next picture, I'm pointing to the orange line that you need to access (note that it's the only orange wire in that area, and it's a thicker wire you're looking for. In my picture you can see another orange wire but I wired up my two flashers separately to power, you don't need to do this (I wasn't sure if this whole thing was going to work so I had tried two different locations of the orange flasher wire just for fun). All you need to do is push one end of the molex connector into that orange wire (to push it in all the way you'll see that you'll need to clip out a bit of plastic from the connector. You'll see that one side on the connector is already done and you just need to clip out the other side). Note that it might not be that easy to do, and if you need to just take a flathead screwdriver and pry open a little bit the metal tabs inside the molex connector. On the other end of the molex connector you'll push in your orange wire (just put the connector on the floor and use a flathead screwdriver to push it in, this one is easy). Put your Z connector in and connect both together and you're done. Just run your wire with the existing apron flasher wires up through the hole to the top of the playfield.

6) You've now got your wiring done, next up is to install your flashers. You'll need your 89 sockets and some double sided tape or screws, plus your soldering iron. Trim your left apron wire and the thicker 18 AWG wire so that you can solder them onto your first socket. See the next picture for where you'll place the sockets. Once you've soldered in your first socket just run a new piece of the 18 AWG wire from the first socket to the next one on the right side. Also pull over your right side apron flasher wire and trim them to the appropriate length. Solder these two up and you are now finished with the wiring.

7) Next up is to install the arch retaining brackets. In the next picture you'll notice that you can see the bracket with the window removed. Before you can install these you need to get your apron in place. When you put the apron on the playfield and slide it down you might find the metal bracket on the left side is in the way (this is the bracket the ball will hit when it drains on the left side). It only needs to move over 2-3 mm for you to be able to nicely put your apron down and slide it into place. If that metal bracket is in the way just remove the two screws on the underside of the playfield (see the next picture, I'm pointing at the location of those two screws). Once the screws are removed you can easily slide that metal bracket to the left and now your apron goes on nice and easy.

8 Place the apron in and attach the 2 apron mounting screws (these will be right in front of you when you're looking at the playfield, it's those two metal hooks - you can see these in the picture that shows the apron flashers). Now what you need to do is take those arch retaining brackets and put them into place. You're going to need to use 3 screws to attach these brackets. Just line up the bracket and use a felt pen to place 3 marks where you're screws are going to go. The next picture shows exactly where you want to line up that bracket, you'll see that it lines up with the black line on your playfield (this picture is from my Xmen but it's exactly the same). I'd then recommend using a small drill bit to make a pilot hole for your screws (so now remove your apron). What I did was do the middle screw first and snug it down, and then I slid the apron in to make sure that everything was nice and straight (and then I put the other screws in). Once you've got your retaining brackets in all you're hard work is done. Just put your apron windows back in, slide that bad boy into place, attach your two apron retaining screws (and those other two screws if you had to take them out to move that metal bracket over) and you're done. Put it all back together and fire up you're Tron and you'll see a nice new metal apron with blue flashers working!

Hope this helps.

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#38 6 years ago

The last three pictures.

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#39 6 years ago

Just saw Yr mod Buckles ,,, Now that is Cool !!! Put's idea's in my head as Well ,,

#40 6 years ago

Great write-up!

#41 6 years ago

Make this into a sellable mod and make some money, please

#42 6 years ago
Quoted from BLACK_ROSE:

Just saw Yr mod Buckles ,,, Now that is Cool !!! Put's idea's in my head as Well ,,

I thought you might like this mod Black Rose, I'm sure if you still had your Tron this would have been something you would have done (after all, you did mod that thing out the ying yang!!!).

#43 6 years ago
Quoted from Buckman:

I thought you might like this mod Black Rose, I'm sure if you still had your Tron this would have been something you would have done (after all, you did mod that thing out the ying yang!!!).

You tha Man bro ,,...........

#44 6 years ago
Quoted from arizonabuck:

Make this into a sellable mod and make some money, please

If I can do it I'm more than happy to put some of these things together. The next little while though it's my busiest time of the year, I'm a financial planner and it's RRSP season up here in Canada. But once RRSP season cools down I should have some time to work on some aprons. I could build the apron and harness, you'd then have to hook up the wires (two in the backbox and one connector to the orange wire), and then also attach the arch retaining brackets (the harness would be complete, you'd just have to plunk the lights down on the playfield). Also remember that if you're doing it yourself and don't want to do the harness you can contact Kim and Kimballspinballs.com and he'll take care of you.

When thinking about it here's a few things to consider:

- The cost for the parts / labour to get apron finished / painted is around $285, plus probably around $30 or so to get the stuff shipped. You can't just order the apron decals, you have to order the whole set (so when I ship the apron to you you'd also have a full set of spare decals, minus the two that were used for the apron).

- Once complete I'd have to ship it to you. I'm up here in Canada, so to ship to the US would most likely cost around $30 or so (or more).

- So we're looking at around $345 to make this thing happen, and I haven't added in anything for my time yet. Say if I charge around $50 that puts the total cost at around $400 (and at $50 my wife would go nuts because that sure ain't much considering the time, but I think this is a cool mod and I'd definitely like to help out some fellow Pinsiders if I can). A lot of us would say that's quite a bit for a flashing apron, but others might say that $400 for this and say around $400 for Eli's ramp kit and for around $800 I've now got 2 pretty cool things for my Pro that the LE has.

- For me the hard part is the parts. Whenever I order up parts I have them shipped to a place just South of the US border, and then I go down and pick them up. In theory we're supposed to pay 12% in HST to bring those parts across, but what I typically find is that if you have around $250 or less in parts / stuff they just wave you through. If I were to order up 10 aprons and the applicable parts for sure I'd be sent in to pay tax, which then adds a bit more to the overall cost. So in theory to work on a couple here or there would be feasible because I'd be able to get the parts with no tax at the border issues (and I could also order some additional wire, retaining brackets, molex connectors and screws so I don't have to get them every time).

So it's possible to do, and if you're interested just send me a PM and we can talk more about it. I'm a busy dude with work and two young kids (right now I'm coaching my son's basketball team and starting soon I'll be coaching 2 baseball teams which is 6 days a week) but if I can somehow find the time to make a few of these I'm game to do so.

#45 6 years ago

Cool mod.
I did a cheap easy update but might just take this one on for mine.

Mine is much brighter in person so here are a few different light / flash.
This one is under $25.

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#46 6 years ago
Quoted from HOOKED:

Cool mod.
I did a cheap easy update but might just take this one on for mine.
Mine is much brighter in person so here are a few different light / flash.
This one is under $25.

Looks good

#47 6 years ago

Nice work Buckles!

#48 6 years ago

Imagine this apron with the dmd extender board and some mini screens in place of the score cards that show all the game graphics and info. Now that would be one expensive mod......seriously cool though.

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#49 6 years ago

I asked Terry at PBL today about getting an apron (either blue or red) and he said that Stern will only do a warranty replacement on those aprons (so now he can't order one). So it looks like to make your own LE style apron you'd have to find a different way to get an apron.

#50 6 years ago
Quoted from Buckman:

I asked Terry at PBL today about getting an apron (either blue or red) and he said that Stern will only do a warranty replacement on those aprons (so now he can't order one). So it looks like to make your own LE style apron you'd have to find a different way to get an apron.

I meant to post this as well. Talked to Terry last week. I really wanted to do this

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