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Tron #1 Pinside Rankings Interpret Accordingly

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11 years ago


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    #51 11 years ago
    Quoted from pudluther:

    i would like to think that a lot of the community that takes it seriously does the same. i have no idea if that's the case or not...

    I do that as well, however if I rate them honestly the first time I do not need to change much. Usually because I learned something after a lot of play.

    #52 11 years ago

    I mainly look at the comments. Tell me why a game is great or a turd.

    #53 11 years ago

    So are we going to rate every machine for every software version now?

    #54 11 years ago
    Quoted from Shoot_Again:

    So are we going to rate every machine for every software version now?

    It's getting ridiculous...........

    #55 11 years ago
    Quoted from sosage:

    If only people put this much effort into rating and writing reviews of said games in the ranking system

    I do! And to me the actual PLAY reviews are the only thing that matter. The rating numbers mean nothing.

    #56 11 years ago
    Quoted from Cliffy:

    My point is that if the data is not hard data, only soft (opinion, feelings of the moment, etcetera) than why on earth does anyone care? You simply cannot make a purchasing or even something as innocuous as a playing decision based on other people's feelings! Well, you CAN but I'm just sayin'... why? Has society so bought into American Idol, et al - which are merely glorified popularity contests - that it even extends into our pinball hobby? Really?

    Not sure why you find this surprising? Of course you can look at rankings and get a general idea of whether the pin is going to be any good or not. While we all have our personal preferences, and there are certainly plenty of rankings that I completely disagree with, it would seem reasonable to expect a pin that has been ranked in the Top 10 by a bunch of pinheads will be a pretty good pin overall.

    #57 11 years ago

    I agree that the comments are more important that the numbers. However, I do think the idea of meaningful ratings/rankings is fun and interesting. Look how many people tune in to the Academy Awards, which is another subjective medium. The difference is we give deference to movie experts/critics, rather than throngs of fanboys filing out of the latest Harry Potter movie. I accept Citizen Cane as a top film even though I would much rather watch Pulp Fiction or even Iron Man.

    I think we need a panel of "expert" reviewers, such as the PAPA folks, experienced tournament players, and others with broad experience in various games. Let them review the games and rank them. Kind of like the pinballreviews guys (although I don't know their identities or qualifications).

    #58 11 years ago
    Quoted from alveolus:

    I think we need a panel of "expert" reviewers

    we already do, allegedly.
    http://pinside.com/pinball/top-100/various/specialists

    tron is #22 on that listing, TZ #1

    #59 11 years ago

    I wish you could rank each aspect of the pin on a 1-10 scale. I feel there are a few games that i rate excellent that are truly 8's or 9's but then i don't have a way of giving the true "10" the credit it deserves.

    #60 11 years ago

    What about DMD's. After Stern's next game DMDs will be all but gone.

    I think the ratings are fun and cool. I do admit bias as if a game I think should be at #40 and is sitting at #50 I'll rate it a little higher.

    I would love though it would be a challenge to order the games we rank into our own top 10 and have that influence the list. Basically give every pinsider the ability to make their own top 10 and then compile all that data into another top 100 or 50 owners list like the bang for your buck etc..,

    Tron is a top 10 IMO!

    #61 11 years ago
    Quoted from hank527:

    I would love though it would be a challenge to order the games we rank into our own top 10 and have that influence the list. Basically give every pinsider the ability to make their own top 10 and then compile all that data into another top 100 or 50 owners list like the bang for your buck etc..,

    That is actually a brilliant idea. I'm all for that if is possible to structure.

    #62 11 years ago

    That is simple and great idea for a new way to rank for current pinsiders and would make things more timely since it would be very easy to change your selected pins for top 100 calculation!

    Rate as many pins as you like but you are only allowed to rank 10 for top 100 pinside compilation purposes. Compile that ranking data into the top 100.

    Have a little check box on the side of each pin in your rankings and you check the 10 you want added to the top 100 calculation. Number 1 on your list gets 10 points, number 2 gets 9.5, etc...

    #63 11 years ago

    I think pinside top 100 is great its not perfect but it does what it needs to do.
    And rated by users is fine even if they rate a game on impulse, etc.

    If they did nothing I would be fine as I can see the times rated. BUT would be nice if they applied the times rated to the score. It would have to be complex where you do each score level 1-10 and ratings on each, etc, etc... It gets complex but is doable.

    Kind of like Airline A has had 3 Accidents and Airline B has had 1.

    You would pick B since it had only 1. But if you look at the number B has only 10 flights while A may have had 5000 flights. So which is safer?

    #64 11 years ago

    LE's have no business being listed separately on Pinside. Look at TAF and TAFG. There is absolutely no diffference in play yet look how differently they are ranked. FGY and Shrek, sorry you may slightly like art and sounds better on one, but these two should be really close and are not. SM and BSM - other than cool artwork on cabinet, backglass and railing, should rank very slose to one another.

    I would like to see Pinside remove LE's as a seperate entity and only list differences and show pics of the LEs, all under banner of one version.

    #65 11 years ago

    This is crazy. TRON now number 1 and number 24.

    I agree - one rating per pin, otherwise there are going to be 2 of every Stern pin.

    Combine please.

    Rankings should be weighted by year made so that older pins that stand the test of time benefit, as opposed to new 'honeymoon' pins...

    And TRON LE is number 37 on IPBD..........go figure!

    #66 11 years ago

    Should be 1 pin. Not every different variation of it. The trend of all this price hype and pin tulip mania over the past year especially is not good for long run. I've backed off the half dozen or so pins I was looking to buy and will now just stick with a few new ones. One less buyer here to drive up prices!

    #67 11 years ago

    After thinking more on it I agree with you guys. All models should be rated under 1 pin. If that bothers you then go ahead and specify which model you are rating in the comments. Add an option to specify in their collection and problem solved. It's hard enough to get accurate ratings on all the pins without having to rank all these different versions being thrown at us. No separate ratings for small runs just one rating per title released otherwise there will likely be confusion and backlash.

    I definitely see your point iceman. I have really been thinking the same thing as far as not contributing to the skyrocketing prices. I will wait a bit save and hit strong when prices come back to something more reasonable. If they don't then that's cool I may just stick to buying new ones rather than pay 6 to 8K for a 20 year old pin which we all know can be a headache to maintain.

    #68 11 years ago

    I'm only playing devil's advocate here, because I do prefer all versions under one rating (wrote a Centaur review and...fuck...Centaur II is it's own thing on the DB? Do I copy/paste my rating over there as well?!? Anyways...).

    ...BUT, what about the slippery slope Stern has been taking with LE's that contain gameplay specific changes? Originally it was just cosmetic changes, so who cares. The game still plays the same between versions. Then with Tron it was an extra mode and drop targets. Then with Transformers it was that weird bathtub with rubbers thing on the top right and a thick as hell drop target lock (I always thought it looked like Ironhide was taking a bath). Then with AC/DC it's a swinging Bell that knocks the ball differently from the Pro and an entire under playfield.

    MAYBE the database could keep the LE's and regular versions together as one rating until the era hit where LE's also contained different gameplay elements...but now I am inviting an entirely new argument to the conversation.

    #69 11 years ago
    Quoted from The_Dude_Abides:

    After thinking more on it I agree with you guys. All models should be rated under 1 pin. If that bothers you then go ahead and specify which model you are rating in the comments. It's hard enough to get accurate ratings on all the pins without having to rank all these different versions being thrown at us. No separate ratings for small runs just one rating per title released otherwise there will likely be confusion and backlash.

    I feel like that too!

    #70 11 years ago
    Quoted from The_Dude_Abides:

    After thinking more on it I agree with you guys. All models should be rated under 1 pin. If that bothers you then go ahead and specify which model you are rating in the comments. It's hard enough to get accurate ratings on all the pins without having to rank all these different versions being thrown at us. No separate ratings for small runs just one rating per title released otherwise there will likely be confusion and backlash.

    I definitely see your point iceman. I have really been thinking the same thing as far as not contributing to the skyrocketing prices. I will wait a bit save and hit strong when prices come back to something more reasonable. If they don't then that's cool I may just stick to buying new ones rather than pay 6 to 8K for a 20 year old pin which we all know can be a headache to maintain.

    I told you we were of like mind on a lot of things!

    I'm glad some of the other guys that have been here a lot longer than me feel the same way, the separate ratings will just fuel the fire and provide non stop confusion and arguing over every little nuance......but.....some people may like it that way....maybe a separate rating for pins produced under 1,000 units or so?

    I'm worn out and burnt out on the pin chasing for now, going to try and go back to my "patience" mode.....and I'll live vicariously through the chase from you guys.....and play the ones I want to up in Austin from time to time.....

    #71 11 years ago

    The problem with ratings is that people that either love or own a machine are going to rate it high.. Therefore the rating will always be higher than it should be... Added to that you need atleast 1000 ratings to have a true idea as to how good a machine is.

    #72 11 years ago

    There should be only 1 rating per pin 100%.

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