What else do you call it? Even freaking pps doesn't go that far.

I buy them usually too, but that doesn't make it okay to take them all down and hoard them. Just look at how much harder it is to help someone fix a Gottlieb em than a Williams. You're stuck trying to walk them through basics instead of jar pulling up their Schematic

He has the right to, yes, but that doesn't mean that he should. This is philosophy 101 level stuff, dude

The price is not the issue. The issue is that limiting access to them hurts the hobby. No one complains about the price of the schematics, please stop trying to detail the topic.

What does that have to do with it?

Yep. Nowhere did I say anything about Steve providing files or anything. (although, since he had the whole database, it would be quite nice of him to send them to ipdb). Same with PPS, they don't do anything for free, they get a license fee when other companies sell their manuals. All they have to do is not go out of their way to take Manuals that other people upload down.

All my friends who are getting into the hobby love EMs, and I never have a problem finding a buyer for one after I've fixed it up. Surprisingly to me, they all cite the chimes as one of the main attractions, and are similarly attracted to early SS with chimes. Especially the ones that play a tune at the beginning. These are people that didn't grow up with any era of pinball, so it sometimes seems like they're less locked in to certain eras

Again, I AM NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT THE $16 SCHEMATIC. Please stop putting words in my mouth. I happily buy one for every game I own, along with a manual. I have not once complained about it, but you people keep saying I'm whining about it. I encourage anyone who owns a game to buy them. As Otaku and I have said, we're worried about other things, like what happens when/if PBR shuts down and there's no official source for them, but all the copies have been wiped off the Internet, or how much harder it is to repair games for other people when you can't just pull up a schematic, or how it's expensive and slow to order a schematic from PBR via mail order when you're in Europe. The list goes on and on. Banning electronic copies is hurting the hobby. Steve has done a lot of great stuff for the hobby, but this isn't one of them. And I doubt he's selling other parts at a loss or something just because he makes a crazy profit margin on schematics.

What are you even talking about

And yet PPS,etc can leave them be just fine. Every time I've ever heard that line trotted out in the past it's usually followed by lawyer calling it BS.

He's also hard to work with if the last guy was an asshole, or you ask a a question that an asshole asked, or if you've got a question very similar to a common question but differing in one subtle but important way, etc etc.

Key word, *can*. PPS are still major assholes, but even they *can* let people put the schematics up. Eg, it's not a legal thing.

Wow, you're stretching now eh? Also, great job reading your own stupid image.

Me too!

Amazing how no one is complaining about any of that

Funny people getting worked up, says guy trying to get people worked up.

... Except for digital copies, which are free.

Yeah, those remakes they've totally been making since the 90s, and all through the time that they've been allowing people to distribute pdfs and roms.

Also, not what I was talking about.

Not to mention the great situation where you pick up a Gottlieb without any papers, and then try to order some parts....and a manual. Can't hard the part numbers if you haven't gotten the manual, but it's senseless to make multiple orders.