I’m in on a Grateful Dead. Still hopelessly hanging on to some hope...

That would be the only band pin I *might* consider buying NIB. The art package could be second to none.

Really ? Stern just built Turtles....enough said

I have nothing more to say to this other than that you are so incredibly wrong, it's not even funny.

30-40 somethings are now the ones buying pinball machines. The market is not driven by white dudes in their 60s anymore. Toy Story is the ultimate nostalgia of our youth, and is probably one of the greatest movie series' of all time. I'm a former pinball operator and arcade bar owner. I've owned 100s of machines. Toy Story is literally the only rumored game that I have money set aside to buy when and if it's finally announced.

Both titles have the potential to be great games....its crazy to me how long it takes JJP to get games to market....

I agree it takes too long.I’m hoping with everything in one location we’ll see a faster smoother flow of JJP games

JJP is working hard to change that.

LTG : )

One can only hope...hard to make a buck when u can't make games in a timely manner....

Well they're doing a shit job.

The poll should be changed.

Needs a third option.

"I would take both, or either one, or anything, just pick one and make it, prove that you can get more than five titles to market in seven years, do something other than crank out a ninth version of WOZ"

Its crazy to me that a company has been around this long, and still can't figure it out....

Really. They started the move from NJ to Chicago a few weeks before the COVID shut down. Nobody knew that would happen. And make it near impossible to do anything or get anything. Pinball parts, supplies, what all is needed to make an assembly line and outfit a factory and offices. Everything out there suffered delays and many things out there are still suffering making and shipping.

In that time, besides shipping logistics, getting a new factory set up. Outfitting the factory. Getting assembly line and parts in place. Hiring new people. Pulling it all together. They do have an assembly line up and are building Willy Wonkas.

Seems like a miracle to me that they have gotten this far in spite of everything. Not a shit job.

Lloyd

Common sense goes a long way - just not on the Internet

They must be doing something right. Or they wouldn't be around.

Listen to Brett's last interview. Things have been good, are good, and looking up.

LTG : )

I hear what your saying, but one can only use that excuse for so long....Stern doesn't seem to have a problem with parts, logistics, and manufacturing....its hard not to admit this has been their achilles heel. Lets hope the move helps solves this problem

LTG and I will wait for you and the others to start your own pinball company and see how long it takes. You'll seem to be the only experts.

Manufacturing is a never ending learning experience.

Mfg is a learning experience.

Maybe less so here, since flipper-games have only been on the line for about 70 years.

Taking nothing away from Stern's accomplishments this year. We have no idea what they all had on hand for the future when the country and other countries shut down. And they had an existing factory. People forget the MMR delays when Stern started making them and then moved to the new building. And that wasn't compounded with everything being shut down.

I don't think it's an excuse, it's the reality of what happened. Big move coming up. Probably slowed on ordering parts for future games until the new factory would be ready to receive them. And parts department set up and people hired and trained to organize and run it.

And we've seen pictures of the assembly line full of Willy Wonkas. So JJP has accomplished a lot in about four months.

LTG : )

I love the optimism

Thank you.

Last year after Expo I was hoping for a new CGC or JJP game before the end of the year. And I thought for sure by TPF or shortly after.

Then the whole world went to heck.

Now both companies have accomplished a lot during these crazy days. Are rolling again. And I'm hoping for a new game or two by the end of this year.

And with what is coming after. Besides the optimism. I'm damned excited. These are great times for pinball !

LTG : )

They may not have problems in those particular areas, but they have a huge quality control problem. See all the dozens of threads about failed node boards and coil stops that need to be replaced after only a few plays. I won't even get into the disastrously bad playfields that they say are "in spec" with dimpling, pooled and cracked clearcoat, etc.

JJP had some issues with the light boards on early examples of WOZ, but I've not heard of many other quality control issues with JJP games.

I'd rather they take a little longer and build a product right the first time.

Toy Story 3 was great when my kids were 2 & 5. But if "You've got a friend in me" over and over on pin? No thanks. And you know it's gonna happen.

DI = poor trap door design, piss poor clear/or bad design that made clear crack instantly. They tried to fix that by making their own clunky knock off cliffys at first. Silly little things like lights not connected correctly from the factory.
I'm sure owners of other games could chime in.
But whatever...we can keep fucking picking sides in a little pissing contest instead of admitting all companies have had issues from time to time.

They can;t afford Randy Newman's talent!

I'm 52 and my wife is 56 and we both agree if a Toy Story pin comes out it would be an instant buy.

I have zero interest in a Guns n Roses pin.

Rooting for GNR so I can save that money for awhile longer.

I'm fully aware of Sterns quality control problems, but they are light years ahead of JJP on manufacturing games. JJP has had their share of issues, but not to the extent Stern has. JJP's biggest issue is getting games off the line and releasing new product.....I've owned all their games and for the most part they have been great. Im hoping that they get these issues worked out so they can be here for the long haul.

jersey Jack is working hard, the change of venue with the covic should not have been easy and his dates should have been delayed, but what we are sure is that either toy story or guns ando roses will be a total success, because jjp games are pure pinball art! trust jjp, there will be news soon

This is an Oxymoron

An absolutely unnecessary movie, except Disney now has two storylines they can milk, one with most of the toys and Bonnie, and one with Woody and Bo on their adventures without an owner.

Oops, spoiler alert!

It was unnecessary, but it could have been done correctly. For us, the story was just a miss. I didn't like the ending.... it was all so melodramatic.

Toy Story? Really?? How old are you guys???
Yes I already have a GNR pin but will strongly consider having two of them in the line up and would never give TS the slightest glance.

John

On average, much much younger than you.

Ouch!!

John

Love both but Toy Story for me, great characters and mode possibilities.

Lloyd, you're biased. I love jjp, but they are slow as shit. Before covid was even a word anyone knew, they were slow. It has been 3 months since their teaser video. They are SLOW.

My response of them doing "a shit job" was in reply to you saying they're trying to change their slowness.... they haven't.

So your saying their slow,thanks so much for your opinion.

I love JJP games. Such gems. IMO, they can take all the time they need because they're worth the wait!

Oh, I'm not a GNR fan... enjoyed the Toy Story movies... but I'd buy a GNR pin. Make sense? Probably not, but that's the reality.

He's not wrong....

I didn't say they were trying. I said they are working hard to change that.

It won't happen overnight. But look at all they've accomplished this year in spite of everything.

Yes I'm biased. JJP has great times for pinball ahead of them.

LTG : )

I hope your right LTG....we all just want to see JJP succeed as many of us love their games....

Me too.

Bias aside. I remember in the early 1990's when manufacturers were cutting back and then started closing. By 1995 pinball was on the roller coaster to hell. After Williams closed only Stern survived. And managed to keep pinball alive in the worst decade ever for coin op.

So right now with the virus, potentially coming into a slowing economy. I hate to lose any pinball manufacturer. I worry that could start a domino effect. And I'd hate to see that happen to pinball. We have it pretty good right now and I'd like to see it keep going.

LTG : )

By now I'm sure many have seen Stern's latest release. JJP need to respond in kind very soon, Stern's new game looks like a great shooter with a lot of unique ideas. At almost $10K CAD for a Premium, I'm not a buyer. I need to carefully budget for any NIB purchase at these stratospheric prices, and the Marvel theme alone means I'm out.

Way, way out on JJPGNR as well, still patiently waiting for TS.

Once again, Stern proves it can perform the only critical function for a pinball company. Make games.

I disagree. Those that moved funds they were saving for either GnR or TS to the new Stern LE have already done so by now. The new Avengers game looks like it has some great ramps and shots but we have no idea how well the actual game will play. I also think that the comic book theme won’t age well as either of the rumored JJP titles.

That has never stopped a chunk of people from buying a game.

Marvel comics have been going strong and aging well since 1939. A Marvel themed pinball machine with many of the classic characters will age well imo. If it was the movies, you might have a point, but the comic version is timeless.

The theme might age well... but Stern’s primo choice in electronics and materials?

I’m waiting for TS. Bond and JAWS rumors are appealing too. Would love to see a JJP Back to The Future. I would probably buy a Modern cabinet WOZ from JJP too - as long as the monkey is back.

I told my wife tonight there might be a toy story pin coming out and she said "You should buy it." This is unprecedented.

I would agree if the Avengers were the primary focus of the art package rather than the villain. The theme is good enough and the ramps look terrific. I’d just like more Avengers.

I think we have both Toy Story and POTC - 2 Disney pins with the same release date. That way they address the licensing, updates, and part replacements/upgrades for existing machines.