Wait.. do folks forget many “children” animation movies are not tailored to kids, but adults? The movies are written by Adults!!!

Much of the personality, metaphors, jokes, references, and interactions are not at the child level. The movie is a “skin” to highlight these issues.

I guess folks are desiring potential graphic, cursing jokes, strong aggressive reference pinball theme?

I for one appreciate pinball machines that provide a Journey.

To me JJP does a great job and TS will be one to allow JJP to fulfill my need.

My distro will provide my invoice tonight... Let's see if its $1,000 or $2,500 as requested by JJP website.

Yeah.. agree with the comment about lack of a wizard mode. Did not consider that, but that has been a fundamental concept of pinball lately and to break away from that could be a miss on code side.

I have not played this game yet or read in depth of the modes…

So far there is only 1 wizard mode at the end? Anybody else figured out more code wise? I have to dig some more.

Could Pat be employing some re-use code concept of AFM progressing through the different cities.. instead of cities it’s through a carnival??

It’s a stretch, but wonder if anyone is thinking if Pat has employed previous game code design concept into TS4.

Can’t be real. Just can’t be. Stupid to sell for that cheap so quick.

Fake news.

If your statement holds true, that is less than 30% loss after playing countless games (assuming no playfield issues).

I’d gladly take that hit in a resell. However, I sense my CE value will be less than that after all said and done. I did not buy this game for appreciation.

I paid to easily play the game with my family.

At the moment it’s $500 off. So, $12K.

Well I’ll be damned… nope. I don’t see where the discount is now.

Hmm.. sorry, I’ve preordered a CE and was only aware of that price. Clearly got the LE price wrong.

Your suggestion for putting the iPad a little further back like CV is a good idea. However, sometimes it’s a little difficult to view the screen in CV. You gotta bend down and see the information…. Seems Pat thought it was a good idea to have it front/center when they could have added a unique mechanical toy.

That goes to your 2nd part for Operators. I agree 100% that this game was designed more for Operators (location) and new pinheads…

Sure, current pin-heads will like it too, like myself, but seems we were not the main target.

Perhaps that is how this game can retain its value or minimize its depreciated value.

Agree, but lets not forget that Grandma/Grandpa can also influence this habit as well. My kids are staying with my parents during the summer to spend some quality time while the Wife and I acclimate with Baby #3 we just had.

I facetime my family the other day to check on the kids and I heard my oldest say she does not want to eat X, but rather have Y.

And.... my mom caved in. I'm sure it will be fun for me to break the habit when they return to my home.

Ff

Man… I have no clue why my wife and others watch Dr. Pimple popper!! She enjoys seeing it. Ugh,..

Seems JJP is listening to user base of disappointment and they are trying to find alternative ways to improve it.

Would this help?? I would hope they also focus on enhancing code to improve overall experience.

Okay, his meme at the end was legendary!!

Well done. Haha

If Spooky comes out with TNA 2.0, I’m buying that machine.

It’s true games that are executed Well broken down with simple Mechs/flow are still really enjoyable.

That was why I wanted TS4, but after talking to the lady with limited pin space I had to buy Wonka instead.

And with this folks... I'm out. FYI, there were multiple folks asking to take my spot. So, at least I can say the demand for the CE is still floating in the air.
I'll regret this down the road, but I'm limited to 4 games.

I've already paid for NIB Wonka LE from Automated Services in Connecticut. Saved a few pennies doing this as well. Thanks adol75 for the tip.

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I suppose if I originally ordered from JJP then yes. I did it though a distributor.

It’s my assumption the distro has yet to provide JJP the CE list. Therefore, no transfer fee imposed.

I just watched the feature video of Godzilla after seeing the top 100 list having Godzilla at #1. So, I really want to play one and hope to try it out soon. I’m not into the Theme, but the gameplay looks super fresh.

I would sell my treasured Metallica pinball to raise funds to buy that if it was true. But we all know the odds of another run. So, Metallica is safe.

You hit the nail in the hammer for me. I have the exact same feeling my 2nd go around. Played about 2 hours overall at the Korean bbq place in West Hills, ca.

The iPad was Wow.. agree it’s much larger than in person. The photo does no justice how big that thing is. Seriously, you gotta see this iPad in person to understand its size.

I did have a lot of fun playing the game and I was able to progress 1/2 through the modes in my time playing. The Kaboom shot is a little booger.

Many times I was slow seeing the ramp and was too late or I keep hitting the damn post. I’m sure with time it will get easier…

Or, maybe I should stop drinking the Mules. Haha

The slings were Bally style (aka slow), which is common JJP theme… I actually had a few ball sticks where I had to nudge it to get it out.

Here is a photo of Gabby… she needs a washing.

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Showing the size of that iPad relation to my sunglasses and mule. Still the photo cannot due it justice.

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Here is a photo near the slings… look closely at the post under it… notice something different?? They put clear washers underneath. Guess that is to prevent the pooling?

Not every post have them… seems just the large ones.

You might have to zoom into the photo to see it.

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Overall, I would play this on site in a location. I’m very happy I was able to give my CE spot to someone else wanting the game.

I swapped my CE order and bought NIB Willy Wonka LE as I also liked that game and knew it’s code would last me in a home setting.

TS4 light show was nice, but personally the light show is not a reason I would drop $$$ on a game. I can care less for it.

Toy Story was surrounded by these games. I can say that I really enjoyed many Stern Pros over TS4… like Godzilla and JP.

Even if JJP swapped out the iPad for a mini-pinball playfield, still would not buy the game.

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Also, did anyone have this ball stuck problem? Left ramp plastic stopper (forgot the actual name) to temporarily stop the ball.

When it was time for the plastic piece to drop that allows the ball to continue to travel… it fails to sit flush.

Thus, causing a repeated ball stuck. Just annoyance.

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I will have to note when I was on site playing games, every time I see a parent bring their child to the pinball machines.. guess which game they gravitate to??

Yup, Toy Story. So, it has eye candy appeal for its familiarity and child friendly theme.

Big plus to JJP for this. I saw this over and over while I was there.

And your not wrong that I also feel this pin was designed to account this first and foremost. If your not a great player it will actually take you time to beat this game.

I was thinking like you are about kids/family/friends, but for others the reality is we are the main individuals that will play the game. Some have limited space.

So, trying to fit this game for the list of checkboxes, the price will prevent many from buying it.

If this game was MSRP around $8-$9K, I’d buy this game no problem. This will be a hit with a certain group. Not all games require a cluster of Mechs and TS4 will be a success for those folks that like games with lack of Mechs.

The shots are very smooth. I hate that when you hit the pop bumpers it typically lands into the Buzz scoop which halts the flow of the game.

However, most modes objectives are “shot this shot X times”. Without combining multiple shots. I am aware there are modes that do that, but most modes can be completed fairly easily.

I’m a hypocrite with my reasoning. I like it, but cannot buy it for the price.

Lastly, it fits me that it’s a carnival theme… for TS4, was the carnival seriously the main focal point of the movie? I don’t think so.

The sounds made from this pinball machine all scream carnival theme and not familiar sounds made within TS franchise.

This is spite the impressive custom callouts by the great Tim Allen.

Long term… I know this pin will carry itself as desirable due to its association to the TS franchise.

I still opted not to buy my CE as I wanted a game with more shots and variety of code depth. Hence, I got Wonka.

I can confidently say Wonka’s code will challenge me.

Not gonna lie as many have said it over and over: the game shoots good and is fun to play.

I had a CE in order, but gave up my spot for Wonka.

I’m gonna wait for 2nd hand market to pay those rates. Time will tell how this goes.

I will say many non-pinheads are drawn to this machine.

Since you brought that up… Was DI the only CE that was being sold for less that MSRP? Was there any others?

If I was a distro, it’s a non-refundable deposit. So, distro keeps it and resells the game for MSRP.

After all, the distro now has to find another buyer (assuming no waitlist) and assumes the risk to not sell the product.

Is this the thought process of a distro?

The awesome part is they only charge .75 cents a game. I hate odd numbers, but not bad to pay one quarter more than the rest to play a $12,000 game.

Wow.. So soon? Typically you would CE's selling later down the road with this low amount of plays. Huh....

I spent $30 in quarters to know this game is not for me. Was there that many Sight unseen buyers for a $12K common pinball (LE version)?

I guess FOMO was strong for some spite the initial developments of the game.
Huh… not too many Zermeno’s living on the state side. Majority of my family live in Mexico so it’s a surprise when I find another individual with my last name.. however, my old man did say our last name is common in Mexico (not like Sanchez).

I am not aware of any relatives that served in USA military.

People should have followed my lead and not be greedy. Thankfully worked out for me, but I’d suspect it would be a little difficult to get rid of your spot now.

Too many available slots from distros. Why get it from another buyer when you can go directly to the distro of your choice?

Agree with a code update could push demand for the game. See Wonka CE for example. Most know they could easily get picked up at local distro….
I think after the last big code dump it polished off the code and improved it by a big margin.

That is what I’ve gathered from folks on different platforms as I do not own a CE.

Can TS4 CE have the same outcome?? I agree it’s tough with 1,000 units

I will have to say GZ theme did nothing for me... the various B/W scenes with cheesy old school fighting scenes made me laugh often.
The shots, layout, and use of the tech was so FRESH! That alone made me come back to the pin to play it even not liking the theme.

That will be the same for me with TS4. Ended up not liking its theme execution, but the game is fun to play. I'll never beat it as I only intend to play it on location.

Well, at the moment is seems that perhaps TS4 CE's could remain around kinda like how Wonka CE's did. Could JJP seriously alter TS4 code such that it can become a bigger hit like Wonka? I doubt it as JJP repeatedly said the game comes with nearly completed code. Injecting a new Wizard mode, multi-modes, etc... does not seem to fit the bill with "nearly completed code".

Given JJP said sales have made ATH earner, I don't think they have an incentive to push major code update.

Well said and agree 100%!!! This is what I look for when buying games for my home setting. Does every game need this? No, but providing this option enables the game to live longer in a home setting.

Many people can still enjoy the game for short and long games.

I 2nd that. I’ll force room to happen. Who needs a formal dining area anyways?

Next question would be: When will the discounts begin??

What agree with you there I really love my Willy Wonka and when I was on location playing Godzilla and TS4, I loved the shots on Godzilla but I could not enjoy the theme and the cut scenes were just too silly for me. To me TS4 will probably last As a classic pinball machine years to come because the franchise is such a beloved title

I would 2nd this statement. It is getting very hard for me to fork over $$$ and justify to the wife why I must buy pinball X. That happened recently with the re-run of TNA.

She knew i've been wanting it for quite some time so this is probably my pass. However, after paying $11.5K for Wonka LE this summer, I just can't anymore.... Can't. I'm sure I can stick with 90's machines, but then I have the good ole California space issue.

Wish I was located closer to a pinball center to play loads of games, but I'll stick with the few machines a local eatery has to offer for now.

Maybe after global recession resell market will go back down again?

Well, not hoping for global recession but hard not to deny what is happening globally.

Yup… looks sexy. At the current price I see it hanging around for a while.

I might join the club in a few years once I settle other obligations and recover from buying Wonka/TNA.

You give me an inside peek how TS4 CE will look next to Wonka LE. Same setup I’ll have eventually (minus WOZ…. Decided not to buy one).