Quoted from nicoy3k:

Is it going to be 12k? Yes. Are the playfields going to disintegrate? Yes. Will JJP ignore customer support emails? Yes. Am I out? Yes

Quoted from Rarehero:

I love animation.
Toy Story is one of the greatest trilogies ever (I’m ignoring 4 lol).
I’m out. Too many things about JJP rub me the wrong way. Issues aside, I have enough crazy fun crazy deep new games to entertain me. I don’t need it.

Quoted from yancy:

Haha wow, we're collection shaming now. If you must know, I bought it from my dad who was getting out of pinball. In the process of trading it because, yes, the rules are shallow and exploit-laden.
That said, still more fun to shoot than any JJP game, for my money.

Quoted from Cdonnerusmc:

I'm really excited to see it and play one on location but I'm done buying and dealing with the maintenance issues with owning a JJP.

Quoted from Jaytech10:

JJPs machines has to be fine tuned to play them. Pitch and flipper strength has be set just right. The only Stern I bought nib is godzilla premium.

Quoted from manadams:

Why are people worried how much JJP spends on voice actors when games are going to cost 12k or more?

Quoted from Manimal:

If they hit this one out of the park, I will jump in at some point....but that is a big "IF". I have no idea if this is a "make or break" game for JJP, but they desperately need a win. Who would have thought WOZ would still be their best seller this late in the game?

Quoted from Manimal:

Probably a little more than that, but not by much. A good many of those that bought for the artwork are now dumping them.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

I came in second!!!
If only I had the confidence Forkie had acquired by the end of Toy Story 4.

Quoted from Deez:

How many plays does your GNR have on it? I've never seen one with a nice playfield except when fresh out of the box.

Quoted from blacklightprod:

Totally in personally think its going to be JJP biggest seller of all time.

Quoted from Hammerhead:

Hooray! Based on the number of people in this thread passing on TS, I should have no problem getting my CE!

Quoted from underlord:

You win! The race to the bottom….

Quoted from Elvishasleft:

I'll be happy to play one but theme wise? hell no.
I am all for any pin that plays well but that has not been the strong suit for most JJPs. Always find it amusing that their two best playing pins (Dialed in and Wonka) are the two least popular.
Their market is the "wow look at all that shit on the playfield and lights" here is my deposit guy.
Looking forward to the people who buy without playing a single ball and then panic sell with 25 plays on it months later.

Quoted from Elvishasleft:

Is what it is... JJP puts playability toward the bottom of the list and it shows.
I'll take a stripped down game that plays great like AFM over any JJP.

Quoted from Elvishasleft:

GNR sold a ton.. as has every pin that came out last few years.
it's also the most overhyped and worst playing game of the last number of years maybe second to Ghostbusters... cant think of any other that was more of a disappointment.

Quoted from screaminr:

You can hate it as much as you want , I don't care . But I don't think it's fair to criticise the game for your lack of scoring , after 20 minutes Karl D'Angelo can have over 800 million .
Just my opinion .

Quoted from DanQverymuch:

I'm not 7. I'm out.
To be honest, owning a WOZECLE that just sat there looking so pretty while giving me no urge to ever play it kinda soured me on JJP. But a movie for children doesn't entice me any more than did a band for deaf people on their last release.

Quoted from snaroff:

I recently replaced my GNRLE with RUSHLE. Can't stop playing Rush...had to force myself to play GNR.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Yeah but in a year you'll have to grin and bear it when the "Why so many Toy Storys for Sale?!" threads start up.

Quoted from underlord:

+1. Adult oriented themes for me. Ahhh….thank you.
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Quoted from PghPinballRescue:

Thank you for the kind words.

Quoted from Colehvac1:

I did the same thing, im out!

Quoted from Colehvac1:

Take a look at sterns production since JJP was formed, and even with a so called billionaire investor they still cant produce more than a game every two years. To each their own, but taking a no warranty stance on playfields and cabinets, plus lack of parts support for games from before the investors took over was a terrible corporate decision. The polls dont lie! I may be a broken record, but it’s obvious theres more than just me.

Quoted from romulusx:

Broken record!blah blah blah
GnR>>>>Rush

Quoted from PtownPin:

That used to be the case....Seems to me Godzilla has way more mechs and toys than the last few JJP games

Quoted from yancy:

They shoulda put some of that fun on top of the playfield.

Quoted from at_t_2d:

I purchased a new Dialed In when they came out and have been very happy with it. I am a Pat Lawlor fan and Toy Story is a pin I have been looking forward to for several years. I haven't been active on Pinside for a while and suddenly seeing all of these JJP playfield posts is starting to get me very concerned. I have pins for enjoyment and relaxation and I am seeing a lot of very frustrated people posting on this forum about the poor quality and lack of customer service they have received regarding playfields. I hope JJP has gotten a wake up call and gets their act together, otherwise it just isn't worth the risk to me. There are plenty of other places for me (us) to spend our entertainment dollars.

Quoted from PtownPin:

I agree....GNR basically has zero mechs.

Quoted from MaxIsDead:

Where is this game already. I feel like it’s uncle Harry’s bad nightmare that lasted for years and years but never appeared

Quoted from underlord:

Hey if that’s your thing…
I’m more of a Gianna Michaels kinda hetero myself. But you be you.

Quoted from TechnicalSteam:

I really hope Toy Story was codename for Evil Dead..

Quoted from Rager170:

A bunch of adults arguing over their personal opinions of kids movies... This is what the world has dumbed down to lol.

Quoted from m00nmuppet:

Someday, we will point to the popularity of that show as the offical end of civilization.

Quoted from Roostking:

Here's the fan boy Hitler was talking about

Quoted from Darscot:

I don't think you took a long enough break, why do care what other people talk about on the internet?

Quoted from Ballderdash:

On the slot machine sounds? Pass.

Quoted from TheLaw:

Probably because you've only rated games made within the last decade.
Go play some Rocky & Bullwinkle and report back!

Quoted from Ballderdash:

How much time have you spent in a casino? The wonka and woz A/V is a dead ringer for the slot machines of the same IP.

Quoted from Colehvac1:

I took the survey also. The games have always been fun but their customer service was lacking for me. Im glad they sent surveys but i think for alot of their use to be customers, the damage is done, its very hard to repair a relationship with a customer that feels wronged. I have played toy story 4 a bunch and i find myself wanting to play more after each game is finished.

Quoted from Rarehero:

I’m not sure I understand having a topper that repeats the game’s title with the wrong logo/font. Aesthetically unpleasant.

Quoted from DakotaMike:

So....will the "Toy Story is a huge success, and a big win for Pat and JJP" people finally admit they are wrong?
Weeks after release, you can easily find multiple Toy Story CE's for MSRP or less on the market. And that's without even looking that hard, or calling around to Distros.
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And there are multiple LEs listed for below MSRP as well, including ones ready to ship.
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Just admit it people, TS4 is nowhere near the hit GNR was. And in a lot of ways is a miss. If you personally like or love it, then great, enjoy it and be happy with your $12k to $15k purchase. But clearly the market-at-large doesn't feel the value is there at JJP's suggested MSRP, so let's not pretend that TS4 is something that it's not.

Quoted from jimwe5t:

Oh I own plenty of games, even JJP.

Quoted from smokinhos:

Half GnRs songs kinda suck. Appetite and Lies i enjoyed.. by Illusion i was like where the F did GnR go? And I dont recognize the band now. How bout just use old music video clips? Instead we get carrot top on steriods. Great lights.. but its been said before, after the lights and art work.. whats really there? Multiball? Spinning disc?
Not surprised that TS4 seems lacking as it's kinda the same recipe of ... lights and being, but where's the "fun" stuff?

Quoted from smokinhos:

I did... and now I'm trading it for HWN. We like the HWN theme better. Your point is?

Quoted from zaphX:

Based on the slots for sale, you're probably right.

Quoted from Palmer:

You’re an idiot for lumping JJP in with DR and JPOP.

Quoted from djsolzs:

It’s not just price - a lot of people wanted to see more mechanical elements in the game. I passed for this reason and not price. It is a fun game - glad to hear your enjoying it. I myself was looking to add more JJP as I love playing mine. I just can’t without more creativity as I have seen with JJP before.

Quoted from PtownPin:

He doesn't own any games...

Quoted from TheLaw:

The first games came with nothing, and it's still a bad shot.

Yeah that's the standard approach, and it works really well expect you have to collect 8 Sim cards. You can go in the menu and look at how many sim card shots you get per game; spoilers the average is well under 8 & that's all shots
I find the people that defend the shot usually have changed to hold over balls; but I just cant do it. I should try taking a rubber off but I've been saying that for over a year now

Quoted from snaroff:

Really appreciate honesty from an owner. So many owners put their head in the sand and make excuses for a game. Sure, it's great to have an "approachable" game for novices (like some of said), however there are many good/solid games that both novices and pinheads enjoy (and this ain't it).
Considering how much I was looking forward to this game, it's mind blowing that I'm not rushing to buy your game (since I'm local). If I have more space, I might give it a whirl, however I like my current lineup too much and GZ Premium just landed today...

Quoted from Roostking:

Umm lol. Dialed in is the best JJP by far. Hall

Why don't you go to the owner's thread this is the general commentary thread about Toy Story 4. If you want roses and lollipops go elsewhere. Of course you've been told to do that before but you'd rather sit here and cry about JJP and how bad-ass they are, even though they're not.

Quoted from snaroff:

I feel your pain...Led Zeppelin (the band) also one of my favorites. I am heavily weighted in Rock and Roll pins, but had to pass on LZ. Owned Aerosmith for about a year...not a keeper for me, but liked it much more than Led Zeppelin.
Don't know if you've seen this, but it rocks...Beth Hart's Led Zeppelin covers are the real deal.

Quoted from jimwe5t:

Lolololo, right on RoastKing! Rummy (romulusx) is the head of JJP cheerleaders everywhere. He’s been completely brainwashed by JJP into a hypnotic state beyond imagine. JJP is his very DNA for some crazy reason. JJP sunshine and lollipops is his only reason for existence here on Pinside or life in general, lol. Sad way to live. He makes excuses and apologies for all the missteps JJP makes. The only explanation that makes sense is, this has to be Jack himself posing as rummy on a relentless mission to build his company he once owned and defending it at every turn. It’s bizarre Rummy, totally bizarre, you obsession.

Quoted from jimwe5t:

Rummy, this is a great first step breaking away from your severe JJP addictions. Like AAA teaches, first step is to admit, then you can break free from your mind controlling addictions. There’s hope for you Rummy! Light at the end of the tunnel for you with this first baby step, my little man….

Quoted from iceman44:

Post up your pins Jimmy.
What are you afraid of?
You know we are gonna laugh our asses off. Lol

Quoted from jimwe5t:

Okay ar teaser..Batman 66

Quoted from NC_Pin:

Also... when do the CE's begin to ship?

Quoted from iceman44:

Yep. Totally full of shit. Great catch!

Quoted from iceman44:

Time to call the nurse and say night night Jimmy.
One flew over the Cuckoos Nest.
Nurse Ratchet has your meds waiting. Lol
Total fraud. The Jimmy clown show is over for now.

Quoted from zaphX:

I know. Generally speaking:
- I buy pins to play, not to flip.
- If I sell it's because I didn't like the game, or I got what I wanted out of it playwise, or I upgraded to a higher tier.
- I'm perfectly ok losing money on a game that I enjoyed, because that enjoyment has value too.
I probably should have gone with LE on this one so I could get it quicker, play it, and eat less loss if it gets mastered quickly.
I'm sure I will feel good about the CE once it's in hand.
And yes, I35 is the suck. Our last 30 mins home took almost 2 hrs.

Quoted from JSC:

The funny thing is Rolex’s actually have relatively cheap MSRP compared to some other luxury brands like Patek, AP and RM. They are obviously not inexpensive but they represent somewhat of a value if you are able to get them at retail. Jersey Jack tried to blow the roof of pricing with zero compelling sales pitch to do so. I get they were trying to take some of the profits flippers were making, but they clearly misfired and misunderstood supply and demand by pumping out way more numbers. I am glad their anti-consumer price gauging backfired. I am sure stern and CGC are taking notice on what the limits are.

Quoted from Rarehero:

B+ for BUY BUY BUY!
I give the game an F- for FLOP FLOP FLOP.

Quoted from TheLaw:

Well that's a whole 'nother question; Does the price have any affect on a mechs rating?
I wouldn't say it does but I'm sure others would.

Quoted from Rarehero:

Have fun seeing all of TSBore on the first play, Liar McLiarson.
Most people don’t see past a mode or two per game on R&M due to the difficulty….and like any game, difficulty can be adjusted thru physical settings or code.
Super weird that you pick on R&M’s code. It has more mode content than most games. Did you sell it before Scary Terry, Rick Potion No 9, and Moonmen were added? The multiballs are extremely difficult as well. The game is a constant fun challenge. But hey, you got $15k Bo Peep Loops to look forward to!

Quoted from Rarehero:

Have fun seeing all of TSBore on the first play, Liar McLiarson.
Most people don’t see past a mode or two per game on R&M due to the difficulty….and like any game, difficulty can be adjusted thru physical settings or code.
Super weird that you pick on R&M’s code. It has more mode content than most games. Did you sell it before Scary Terry, Rick Potion No 9, and Moonmen were added? The multiballs are extremely difficult as well. The game is a constant fun challenge. But hey, you got $15k Bo Peep Loops to look forward to!

Quoted from flynnibus:

The posts are a necessity to keep shots from going astray - not a value add.
Focusing on the mechanical implementation in the mech itself when preaching about the entertainment uniqueness is spin doctoring to make something seem more than it is. It’s a disappearing jump ramp. Not a new idea.
I like it’s play value - but the hyperbole is dumb and misleading.

Quoted from usandthem:

It's funny that you say that. There was also an Ultraman at the place where I played TS4. I seriously had a better time with it. Since I know nothing about Ultraman, it simply felt like a fun, unlicensed theme to me. Was it awesome? No. Was it more enjoyable than TS4? Yes.

Quoted from usandthem:

Lawlor is like the Metallica of pinball. The first half dozen years or so were legendary. And then they’ve been living off former glory ever since.

Quoted from ROMM:

Well I am not sure who Greg is on this forum. I was responding to ZMeny's posts as I figured he was Zach.
Also it is funny because (like a few others stated) I too enjoyed playing Halloween more than I did TS4, as they had both at the location I was at.

Quoted from LTG:

Not Charley.
I'm sure he's pleased to hear spooky done good with Halloween.
LTG : )

Quoted from zaphX:

Well that's better than I would have expected based on Pinside sentiment. Good news.

Quoted from Roostking:

Well I didnt cancel my Halloween for TS4 if that matters..

Quoted from Rarehero:

Usually true. I really waffled about bailing on UM after playing it on location with early code. I'm pretty happy with the game as it stands today -and I've had some long-time hobbyists over to play it, and they enjoyed it.

Quoted from Waxx:

Are you saying coils = toys and/or fun? Hobbit would like a word because that game could have double the coils and it would still be less fun than a GZ Pro with the coils removed from everything but the flippers.

Quoted from Roostking:

You know there's an owner's thread we don't have to hear the bitter truth, right?

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Quoted from DakotaMike:

"I'm Daniel Plainview, and I'm an oil man."
"Bastard in a basket!"
"I drink your milkshake."
Lotta good lines in that one.

Quoted from DakotaMike:

"I'm Daniel Plainview, and I'm an oil man."
"Bastard in a basket!"
"I drink your milkshake."
Lotta good lines in that one.

Quoted from explosiveegg:

Didn't both GNR and Wonka both receive substantial code updates about a year after release that drastically changed up the gameplay?

Quoted from cooked71:

Brilliant movie. Top 10 for me.

Quoted from DakotaMike:

Huh? Who? Bo Peep?

Quoted from Pinman2005:

I haven’t owned a JJP but am cautious based on the comments about poor quality. The last thing I would want to do is pay a premium for a pin that won’t last that long.

Quoted from Yoko2una:

Oh, actually you're right in that regard. We actually have proof of TWO Andy signatures in Toy Story, and they both can be seen here...
The problem is that the "backwards N" Andy is an iconic signature from young Andy in a key plot development scene, and he later corrected the 'N' when labeling Buzz as his toy. So in the Toy Story universe, the Woody boot is the iconic youthful Andy signature and would be the intent of a modder who wanted to be true to the TS universe. Meanwhile, the mod trying to be sold here uses a knockoff image you can find on the likes of Etsy...
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So you can either try to make the signature true to the movie where he labelled Woody as his toy during his youth... or you can be in imaginationland where we imagine he may have written it a bit differently elsewhere, including on the $400 aftermarket armor of a TS4 pinball that doesn't feature Andy in the movie.
It's like making an Avengers mod where the 'A' insignia isn't right, or a SW mod where the font of the logo is wrong and the X-fighters have 5 wings. You can't change the logos or imagery of classic movies and then pitch it as a mod true to the movie. Andy's Woody boot signature is done one way, and anything that differs is NOT Andy's Woody boot signature. I'd never prominently display something unauthentic as this on a $12-15K pin.

Quoted from Roostking:

If

Things matter.

Quoted from Roostking:

Well if there was something interesting to talk about in this game then I guess we might talk about that but since there's not, we're gonna talk about upgraded armor with autographs that may or may not be similar to the movie. Personally I loved the insight that he gave.
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Quoted from snaroff:

Only a true JJP fanboy would sum it up this way. You are wrong!! I have some affluent collector friends who were crying on my shoulder recently about this being their dream theme (same for me) and sitting on the sidelines because the game is so "meh" (I'll spare you the details, since many have come up on this thread). These are guys that can afford ANYTHING they want. Would these same guys pick one up if the price plummets 3k? Possibly, but they've also said it would likely be a game to putz around with or they'd get it for other family members (i.e. not a keeper).
I'm glad you dig it and agree that JJP games are built like a tank (at least DILE and GNRLE were). Unfortunately, their reliability and gameplay are no better than Stern games (for the most part). Frankly, the 400lb. weight kind of sucks for home use. I had 2 movers carry my WH20 and LOTR up 18-steps yesterday with no problem. No way they could do that with a JJP game, which is ~150lbs heavier. MANY of these games are going into homes and 400lbs. is a minus, not a plus.

Quoted from snaroff:

Stand corrected...most are apparently closer to 325lbs., which is still ~100lbs. more than a Stern. Same effect...the extra weight makes them much harder to relocate upstairs.

Quoted from Roostking:

The game is a turd we all know it and deep down so do you.
Totally laughable to even think to compare it to Godzilla lol

Quoted from Roostking:

You heard me! You feel me!

Quoted from snaroff:

Doesn't solve the problem. I had a professional pinball mover (and pinball buddy) over with a high-end Escalara type device and after seeing him struggle with my DILE, told him to fuck it...I'll live with it downstairs. They don't deal well with a curvy stained staircase...
I guess my point is the extra weight is unnecessary and not reflective of "quality"...just a PITA.
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Quoted from snaroff:

Excellent point...probably has little to do with the cabinet.