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Easy decision for me; Out.
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Toy Story 4 (CE)
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Quoted from Dr_Gonzo:I've never seen the movie, I guess I'm too old. There's no game JJP has impressed me with at all, I can't imagine this is going to be the one. Out
Well I'm not a theme whore, or a JJP whore so neither are instant buys. Lawlor has been hit or miss lately so I'm not diving in there head first either.
If its a good game ill look into buying but pre ordering? Not here
Quoted from romulusx:My center magnet rarely drains I would say 1 in 50.I don’t know what software version you were up to but they made it were the power company guy blocks ball from draining.
I've never had that issue either
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Quoted from branlon8:they also raised their prices signicantly - that would also allow for a larger BOM.
Quoted from PtownPin:True....yet they haven't reached JJP levels yet....
And AIQ Premium was designed & released back in the 7500 days.
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Quoted from Only_Pinball:Too bad it's been about 20 years since these locations had pins!
Well, it's not the most horrible thing to try to bring it back. May be a horrible failure but so was JJPOTC and the company survived.
True, 12k seems a little steep to try to go old school 
Quoted from adol75:Addams family, Lethal Weapon 3, Apollo 13, pretty much every big 90s movie got a pinball released at the same time
Yeah I remember. I have no idea why people still think it happens and every new movie released or upcoming release they hope a pin will be attached to it.
Quoted from iceman44:Wonder how much Stern will raise prices for?
Bond next
Jaws and Elwin after that
Then BTTF
3 great licenses.
Is there even a breaking point?
Oh man it's gonna be something to watch for sure.
I say the next one will stay the same, eXpecially if it's Bond, then go up after.
Quoted from Thunderbird:Come on buddy, Stern is not totally stupid like your JJP pals. They see the price backlash. They’re in it for the long haul and know we’d be up in arms if they raise them too much if at all.
If at all? Stern has raised the price quite a bit in the last 2 years.
Quoted from Deez:I love DI but I feel the same way about the rules. Wtf is spider value? What do the drones signifiy? I have no clue.
Yeah this is the big problem with the machine, not the phone or jeans. It's happening in a city, so I guess the train locks the balls or something? It's all very loose indeed; still their best for me. Love the fact all the points are in modes and mode multipliers.
Quoted from guitarded:I don't see the appeal of Toy Story and I certainly don't see the appeal of another BTTF pin. There's a ton of stuff out there that has way more upside than wasting money on nostalgia Licenses.
Like what? Because most of pinside is lined up to buy a BTTF pin if it happens (for whatever reason). What ton of stuff do you think would do better?
Quoted from guitarded:Warhammer 40k would sell itself and that is one example of dozens.
Pick a Game company and team up on a release. Imagine a Pin released concurrent with something like Elden Ring...would be huge and bring in a lot of interest from people outside the pin market.
Well if you think Warhammer 40K is more popular for selling pinball machines that BTTF we'll just agree to disagree.
Don't know if pinball companies know how to work with companies for concurrent releases anymore; it would be great but has happened in a long time. Would your core Pin demo sign up sight unseen for an Elden Ring machine? No idea...worth a shot. Stern has had a flop or 2 so you know they can make survive.
Quoted from guitarded:I see about 8-10 people on this site repeating this relentlessly but I have yet to meet a pinhead who has once mentioned BTTF as a Theme...
Yet they all clammer for Warhammer! 
Believe me I'm not creaming my jeans over it at all, but over 10 years there's more than a couple people.
And even then its certainly at worst the same size as Iron Maiden beggers we had to listen to for 8 years; and that shit happened; and it was great!
Quoted from iloveplywood:I'm not even sure what you are arguing here...
Even if you have a point just bury it & move on. You don't go down an arguing rabbit hole with Rare aboot Family Guy or Toy Story; this is like day 1 info 
Pimple popper is a cute show like Toe Bro.
My Feet Are Killing Me is where it's at. The amount of TMAs ( Transmetatarsal Amputations) they do is insane. Whole top of the foot thrown in the trash like a pigs ear.
I dont think I ever saw TS3 now that I think of it. 
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:I unboxed a corporate owned Toy Story 4 for the company office Tuesday and this game is a hard fail from Jersey Jack completely separate from gameplay.
First of all, there is an inexcusable number of stuck balls on this game. I have confirmed with my phone as well as my dedicated inclinometer that the game is at a 6.5 degree slope and that it is perfectly level left to right. I have had to physically bend the ball return where the wires go underneath the “Ducky and Bunny” toys as the ball kept getting hung up there. I have had to adjust the return gate by where the prize wheel is. The third ball ALWAYS gets stuck there when releasing balls for multiball. I have had to “shake the crap” out of the machine multiple times to get the ball unstuck from behind the LCD gamepad multiple times.
As to other issues with this $12,000 machine. I have had the laser kickback work 1 time in actually returning the ball to the game. It has drained every single other time. This NIB machine has multiple loose switches in it. After less than 20 plays, every single flipper hit and nudge triggers the far right pop. The little pop ups next to the kaboom ramp are not flush, and effect the travel path of the ball. Same thing with the spinning wheel. The slings on this game are anemic.
As to gameplay and layout? I really don’t have that much to say as most games I play are incomplete due to the ball hangups, and most other folks don’t either as casuals are not removing the glass to fix stuck balls. I will say that the Duke Kaboom ramp is satisfying, and that Gabby Gabby is not very well integrated. The modes do not feel different from one another at all. My ST:TNG, LOTR, JP, and Deadpool Pro all have very different feeling and playing modes. These all felt the same.
As to the pros… the Duke Kaboom rampe is satisfying, the screen looks great, the game looks beautiful, and I really like the cake toppers. I feel like this game should be more approachable to noobs and casuals and the mini tablet does a good job of explaining what is going on, but they have all this fancy stuff in here and it is still not obvious what you are supposed to do in general. Addams family had a “shoot the ramps then shoot the scoop” to start the modes. This does not have something simple like that.
Maybe the game will be better once it is dialed in, but I am beyond disappointed with the build quality issues I’m having. There are so many freaking oversights on this with them trying to make this nice that it’s not funny. For example, the game came with a cheap wrench labled leg bolt wrench… the wrench doesn’t actually fit the bolts (it is barely too small). You have to remove a plate with a huge warning cover labeled “qualified service personnel” to even plug this in. This game looks like they were trying to make a game to appeal to the masses that was less complicated. I don’t think they satisfied anyone here. I would rather have any other JJP game than this based on gameplay. I am grateful the company put a machine in the office, but a Cyclone would have been infinitely more entertaining. I do think this will appeal to little kids that will want to shoot the Duke Kaboom ramp repeatedly though. It is an easy target that appeals to noobs and casuals like scoring goals in World Cup Soccer 94. [quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]
Legendary JJP quality!
Quoted from ray3127:Think of a movie/band that you hate. Now imagine they make a pinball machine out of it. Do you need to play the machine before deciding you don't like it?
Metallica & Iron Maiden come to mind immediately; all time greats.
Quoted from Deez:15k is a lot of coin to take a bath on.
I mean I guess it is? I wonder how many people really reached for the 15k and didn't have it to spend? Anyway, no where near tons of 2K loses like UM/HWN. True, it's still early.
Quoted from cooked71:Seems JJP have just figured it out.
1000 $15k Collectors Editions is an ambitious target when they’re not targeting Collectors.
Charge more upfront, don't have to sell as many.
It is somewhat sickening watching them try to get Kids interested in Toy Story of all things.
Pinside is missing the fact JJP isn't playing Stern's game of waiting till adulthood to ruin childhoods; why wait?!
Quoted from Dr-pin:..
Just imagine upper left corner with a claw machine. The ball suspended moving around in a small area, and player controlling the claw with left and right flipper, grabbing(magnet) with centerbutton locking the ball and if you make it,the little green guys emote on the screen (the claaaw!)
So recycle JM?
You guys.
Quoted from Noma2017:I didn’t like POTC and I liked Dialed In and loved Wonka. I like my chances with TS4
Yeah people can shit talk PL all they want but he knows how to make a smooth shooting machine. Other JJP designers ; not as much.
Quoted from pinmister:Seriously a dream to play but the music is like nails on a caulk board for me. My wife was like can't we just redo the music on it?
Yes but you can also turn the music far down and turn the call outs up. Helps put the music in the background and helps a lot.
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Quoted from iloveplywood:double post
Quoted from iloveplywood:I'm not positive, but it might be that game you've made 400 posts telling us you don't like?
You nuked your whole post!
Quoted from iloveplywood:Maybe karma for trying to be snarky. Sigh, another posting failure by moi.
You're out of JJP until they come down on prices unirregardless of other factors; but you don't blame JJP for the price increase.
I agreed with it all.
Quoted from Rarehero:Jason? LOL
Baby steps with some people.
Quoted from Noma2017:I’ve never played a pin or video game that has driven me batty like some of the people on pinside claim with Wonka. Having that extreme reaction to sound is definitely not the norm.
Probably because you've only rated games made within the last decade.
Go play some Rocky & Bullwinkle and report back!
Quoted from yancy:I mean, you put down a deposit on a $15k game after their previous game had the worst playfield failures I've seen in my 20+ years in the hobby, so it seems like there's still plenty of meat on the bone.
GNR for sure the worst PF I've seen; just unreal. Looked like a drunk overlay.
Quoted from TrekTobbyGermany:Sim card shot is great as well...
That's the weirdest thing I've heard in years....
Quoted from TrekTobbyGermany:Upper Playfield on no good gofers is so much fun with the hole in one shot as well...
Wha? The fact they claim DI has an "Upper Playfield" is insulting enough; now NGG has one?
Quoted from TrekTobbyGermany:Yes, that's it. The first machines came with a thick metal protector.
The first games came with nothing, and it's still a bad shot.
Quoted from TrekTobbyGermany:If a Sim card is lit, you can take the risk and try to collect it or start a Multiball and collect your Sim cards there.
Yeah that's the standard approach, and it works really well expect you have to collect 8 Sim cards. You can go in the menu and look at how many sim card shots you get per game; spoilers the average is well under 8 & that's all shots
I find the people that defend the shot usually have changed to hold over balls; but I just cant do it. I should try taking a rubber off but I've been saying that for over a year now
Quoted from Betelgeuse:So many people suddenly need to make room for some other game or have an unexpected financial crisis. Of course, selling any of the 10+ other games that they own is out of the question.
Just saw the old "financial crisis!!!" trades accepted
Quoted from TrekTobbyGermany:Okay, I get it. Don't know much about TZ. But NGG and DI are untypical Lawlor Pins because they have difficult shots (okay, it's just one difficult shot I think...). ...
They are pretty typical PL layouts. Upper flipper with 2 shots just like everything else. DI is a little diff'rent with the ramp placements.
As been said a million times the Sim Card shot sucks because it's poorly designed. It's not a tough shot at all, it's that the flipper can't be set up correctly. Powerful enough to make the side ramp and the shot bounces past the hole and back, weakened enough to make the shot easily then you can't make the ramp.
This isn't the Gem shot that is difficult but can be learned, it's the design of it.
EDIT: Even great people make mistakes. The clock in TZ is a completely shitty design for example.
Quoted from jfh:But when those are the main selling points on a $12k game, the overall rating has to be lower.
Well that's a whole 'nother question; Does the price have any affect on a mechs rating?
I wouldn't say it does but I'm sure others would.
Quoted from Freakyguy666:The problem with your rating system is it never goes below a C…why not just make it 9 point scale? It would be far more accurate
The "problem" is that these weirdos are the lucky type that just love everything pinball.
I was at this car show the other week and the DJ was playing all this old timey music "Dead Man's Curve" and shit like that. How lucky it would be to actually love that music; there's like a never ending supply of it and it's all the fucking same and you could listen to it all day and be happy.
Anyway, they're memorized by all things pinball like my kittens are with a laser pointer. It's weird, but lucky them. I wish I could play GB and not light myself on fire.
Quoted from jeffgoldstein2:Monday night football!
"Jeffersons! Vegas!"
Quoted from zaphX:That game is the greatest disappointment in pinball. I absolutely hate the way it shoots.
So fucking bad. Wonder why modern pins don't use low height bent metal for out/inlanes? Oh the balls just fucking jump over them. sweet design 
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Quoted from snaroff:It's not arbitrary...someone needs to herd the cats, folks.
How aboot the clear design and vision of AMH? Handful of worst games I've ever played. Does R&M get universal love of its smooth great shots by a single lead designer? That sure isn't the consensus.
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Quoted from Ivanhoe:Looks like the first delivered CE has officially hit the classifieds. Pictured on a pallet and ready to ship....I wonder how long it will sit at the $16500 asking price.
Quoted from Pinman2005:I haven’t owned a JJP but am cautious based on the comments about poor quality. The last thing I would want to do is pay a premium for a pin that won’t last that long.
Their quality is good, not legendary as some people claim, but they are solid and should last a long long long time.
TS4 PF have been reported as very good.
Quoted from dsmoke1986:...the GnR has given me lots of problems, and does feel cheap when playing between those 3 and Godzilla Prem....
I think this one might go down as the outlier. I've never seen a worse PF in my life than SE GNR; looked like a bad overaly job.
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Quoted from nicoy3k:How long wi JJP have this turd in production? Can we move over to the next title please? Perhaps at a more reasonable price? Or maybe they are trying to go out of business.
Yeah gonna need SR to dig them out if this
Quoted from John_I:I kind of feel bad for Steve. I get the feeling he was told he could finally design a game with unlimited BOM, yet JJP seems to be releasing overpriced games with stripped playfields these days. Steve does do more with less, so he will make a fun game either way.
What if JJP really continuous with stripping down and SR gets boned twice
Quoted from m00nmuppet:...Herman bash/magnet is arguably a better toy than CaBoom ramp, though that's a preference....
haven't played TS4 yet but hard to believe the kaboom ramp isn't better than Herman.
Quoted from Reznnate:... $9k for a premium (fine) and $15k for an LE now? For "collectability"? Ok. Lol...
Sure if you are making up the 15K that isn't really the price I guess it makes sense. You already claimed it was 10K before
Quoted from snaroff:I owned DILE for years and never felt like it was giving me much more info than I get on Stern games.
Agree, but that's programming not screen size. DI size is used for displaying animations more than information which is a let down. On the flip side I'm borrowing a TMNT (uff) and the way they display some info on the side I wish it was a larger screen Again, probably just could use diff'rent color/size/fonts do be better displayed.
Quoted from Freakyguy666:…meanwhile, you failed to acknowledge that I deal in facts ...
I always hope trolls at least get they're trolls and are having fun with it instead of seriously that deranged.
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