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Quoted from romulusx:Not a 100% sure why you started this thread but it sure went to a bash JJP thread pretty fucking quick!All the usual suspects are swarming to convince anybody that might like the theme or JJP games that they should stop getting pumped for this new game.Pinside is as predictable as usual and of course I'm a fanboy so don't bother.
Well if they weren't so easy to bash with their shitty customer service and attitude towards buyers of their pins. I'm out.
Quoted from manadams:Why are people worried how much JJP spends on voice actors when games are going to cost 12k or more?
Because it's money not spent on a good pf and the washers that come as the fix
Quoted from CrazyLevi:At this point I think we can all assume that 99 percent of us will "plunk a dollar" into pretty much any brand new pinball machine they see on location, right?
Seems to go without saying! Yet it is still oft-stated.
I'm standing firm, no quarters dropped here!!!
Tilt uses cards.
Quoted from JohnJ1366:Have just enough space for one more.
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Sell GnR, get Dialed In
Quoted from romulusx:Opinions [quoted image]
Hah whata joke. This is worse than i could have imagined.
Quoted from Optimumsam:It should be half the price of Willy Wonka
It should be scrapped and start over. What a disaster.
How many INs, are now Outs?
Quoted from Yesh23:Next up for JJP....Godfather 3
Mad Max, Beyond Thinderdome
Quoted from Faust:I watched the youtube video from JJP and Pat says the game is more or less designed for ‘non pinballers’ so kids etc. or people who have no connection yet to pinball and never had one.
So for the hardcore pinballer this game is less interesting, but JJP will reach a large audience with this game for sure.
So I think we should look at this game from
this perspective.
It will hopefully bring more new people to the hobby.
Non pinballers have no idea what these machines cost. Friends think i paid 1500 for my METLE.
They wont sell to non pinballers for that reason.
Quoted from Zablon:Do you get embarrassed to tell them? I do. They get all excited and say "how much would it cost me to buy this" and I say...too much.
Yea but then i quickly follow up with, well supposedly I could sell for around $$$. By then, they are like blah blah lol.
Quoted from rai:I’m curious about this, do you think JJP locked out the other movies or could Stern swoop in and do a TS2 pin?
I see Zerg raising out of the PF a la Iron Monger.
That would be awesome if they grabbed one of those licenses and blew this disaster out of the water.
Quoted from Pin_Fandango:The sculpts are cake toppers.
Screenshot_20220614-142111_Facebook (resized).jpgQuoted from Billy16:I'm no JJP fan but their pins usually at least look very cool. Not this one--seems like a big step back for JJP. I wonder who could have possibly thought this was a good idea and was a nice progression from their last pin.
This is a case study and how to take a homerun IP and get an out when bunting. I will say my Halloween at $9000 is looking 10 times better than this pin at 15000. Wait did I just say $15000 for a nib pin with no Toys? Yep, i did.
Quoted from 80sMan:JJP's targeted demographic now is a super rich family with a spoiled kid who wants to bash Gabby Gabby's face in with a pinball
Doesn't that actually describe the family that bought JJP? Make sense they model it after what they want.
Quoted from galore2112:I have three games off route, TZ, IJ and CV but those have no (IJ, CV) or minimal wear whereas the GZLE apparently has thousands of plays and damage down to bare wood. Do people really pay $$$ for worn games? I felt conflicted paying $2k for my CV back then because it has a chip or two on the back box but I would have never bought it if it looked trashed like that GZLE.
I really never see heavily routed damaged recent pins for sale. Do you have examples of chewed up recent LEs or CEs and how much they sell for?
That operator clearly is not taking care of his/her pins. The arcades in my area take very good care of their pins And if they were to sell one I'm sure they would get just as much as a new inbox if not very close to it.
Quoted from blacklightprod:I totally agree, however this game is more a Toy Story adventure. They use a lot of unique characters from Toy Story 4 but it just feels like Toy Story with Tim Allen doing all the call outs. But here is where you’re confusing me… people love Jurassic Park from Stern and it has ZERO assets including the artwork. Why do you love that game it could seriously just be a cartoon Dino game… oh wait you love playing it. Oh yeah I get it. Maybe you should try playing this one too.
Just a thought.
You answered your own question. Jurrasic Park is such a masterpiece it doesn't need film assets to make the game, whereas Toy Story 4 is so devoid of any sort of toys, it's gonna have to rely on the IP to sell it and that might be a problem if the gameplay isn't there either.
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:Great upcoming JJP themes:
Godfather 3
Matrix Resurrections
Rocky V
Mighty Ducks 3
Police Academy 4
Speed 2 Cruise Control
Paul Blart - Mall Cop 2
Next Karate Kid
Jaws Revenge
Toy Story 7
How dare you leave off Mad Max, Beyond Thunderdome as an option!
Quoted from robotron:got out from my CE spot i refuse to be part of another money grab. status quo is not acceptable. going to buy my self a nice c6 corvette as a hobby. pins are out of touch with the working man this was supposed to be a special pin. for 15000 i dont see one thing that seperates it from the rest except the crazy price.
Isnt that just mindblowing. For the price of this pin, you can buy a bad ass car.
I doubt i will be purchasing NIB again.Halloween was FOMO, and not at all regretted. Maybe a confirmed Elwin pin, but still not spending $12,000...
Quoted from Firechief:What car would you buy with 15k? I’m thinking your right but I’m not sure what to get. I think 90s cars could be good value for future growth.
Well technically I'm sure hes going to add money to get that C6, but it just goes to show that $15000 is a lot of money and you can go towards a lot of different toys.
Quoted from TheLaw:95 300xz?
OK now All of the sudden, I'm searching for a 95 Twin Turbo
Quoted from CrazyLevi:It just seems funny to me that EVERY new release around here becomes a referendum on the manufacturer, the “bubble,” and in fact, all of pinball itself.
It’s just a new pinball machine. Like dozens from the last few years.
None of those have radically changed anything. The game is never changed. The paradigm is never shifted. Why do you expect this one to do that? Why does the fate of an entire industry or company have to hang in the balance with every game?
Some people will buy it, some people won’t, and then we’ll move on to the next one. Just like last time.
You guys can see that, right? Or am I the one losing perspective here?
The thing is, JJP only releases 1 game every few years, so in some ways it is a referendum.
1. Is this going to cause Stern/other manufacters to raise prices, Yes most certainly. That affects the industry.
2. Shit is about to hit the fan and the bubble, at least the small business barcade owner "bubble" will be having to sell pins. Bubble burst.
I don't think anyone expects JJP to be innovative they're clearly a cash grab co. now.
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Quoted from iceman44:The stakes get higher as the prices get higher for many people including Ops
The paradigm shift is that now “flippers” and HUO purchasers are facing the potential reality that they will no longer be able to make money buying pinball machines. Thus, more buyers being priced out every day
Unless one thinks that $20k is the next new normal stop on the pinball road of LE insanity. I don’t.
At this point, I feel lucky getting in on HWN for $9,000. Unless i win the lottery, i doubt I will be buying NIB again(not that its a major dent lol)
Quoted from sidesmack40:Prices are crazy. I can say I’m on the list for a NIB hotwheels deluxe from AP for $7295 delivered!
By far the best value on the market. Hot Wheels delivers and you're gonna love it.
Quoted from Ivanhoe:I have a JJP #WOZ RR, I always wanted a #POTC CE (I had the chance but thought I'd pick one up used later on, how wrong I was). I think I have a nice collection, I look at theme, artwork, playfield mechs and gameplay. If a game plays great and the theme and artwork are bad, then ...believe it or not...i'd probably walk away. Pinball is both fun and a piece of mechanical and artistic beauty.
So upon hearing of Toy Story for JJP, I didn't hesitate, I put myself down for a CE.
Now after hearing so many cons about it being solely a TS4 theme, the bare playfield and the off the shelf toys, I'm torn.
The pros include well done artwork and its certainly family friendly.
TBD is how I feel about gameplay...not someone else's opinion.
This price point bothers me, I don't feel like taking a $15K gamble. I feel like giving up my spot and waiting for something else to come out.
You should never consider buying a toy a gamble, be it a pinball machine, a car or what have you. Did you take a spot from someone else on your distro's list or does he need to keep your spot to make some money? Might be a little bit of a moral dilemma if you were like for sure I'm on the list, then backing out now.
Quoted from Mike_J:My children are not pinball enthusiasts, but they both love Toy Story and were very interested in the Toy Story machine.
We watched a few of the game play videos on YouTube and when finished I asked if they wanted me to order one.
My oldest daughter asked me how much it was and asked if I could cut them each a check for $7,500 as opposed to buying the machine.
Smart kid.
Not that long ago, thst would have been 2 Stern LE's. Insane...
Quoted from ticktockman:What your wife puts on the table?
Is Eisenhower president?
It's the 21st century, my dude. Take your ass to the kitchen and make your kids some food yourself sometimes.
Let me guess, you and your kids act like the wife is a short order cook and they get whatever they want, whenever they want, great.
Quoted from ticktockman:My dude, you can't just be coming up with your own definition to things and calling it fact. Economically speaking, yes, a Recession is two quarters of negative GDP. We already had one and if this quarter continues as is we'll have another, which means we would have already been in a Recession for many months now.
You can' throw out a non-specific statement like, "A recession is any period of reduced economic activity". There are specific parameters that make a recession a recession.
When you want to push a certain narrative, facts and accepted defintions never matter. Mirriam is woke...
Also TS 4 will sell well, unfortunately
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Quoted from romulusx:OP needs to change topic to
Bash all things JJP
Here's the fan boy Hitler was talking about
Quoted from romulusx:Hey douchbag I walked away from this shitstorm days ago.I come back and it’s the same fucking people that feel compelled to criticize every game they put out.It’s not just TS4
I get the criticism of this game and agree with most points but I think it’s time to move on! Same old shit
It's time to move on but let me go back to that thread that I don't like lol That makes perfect sense dude! And not everyone's bashing on everything JJP we're bashing on this pin, devoid of toys, called Toy Story 4.
Quoted from Lermods:I realize you played an le and not a CE, but is the le not more attractive to you at $12k? I don’t get the fascination with the CEs. Nobody in my family has seen ts4, but the theme is recognizable and it’s probably the first game they all seem to like. It’s easy to understand, callouts give good instruction, they don’t lose the ball in 10 secs and the shots aren’t difficult. Personally, I’m a bit frustrated with sone of the difficult games, I mean for AIQ I need to keep a cheat sheet next to the game and still can’t figure it out. Sure, if you are a tournament player, you’ll blow through ts, but for more casual players, I think it’s great.
I have a mando too, it’s super frustrating. The shots are so close, brick one and it’s in the outlane. That said, it and aiq are challenging so I do like playing them, TS is just more light hearted and a I think a nice change
JJP and Stern love to hear this. Less is more!!
Quoted from pinmister:Other thought of mine is that JJP chose this business model because of their limited production capabilities. You can only shit out so many turds with x amount of resources. They are unable to push out 10,000+ turds a year and so now they only sell Boutique?
I introduce to you, Le Turd!
Quoted from HarryReimer:Really odd.. I have played Godzilla 10 times now.. and I just dont get it.... I dont love the shots... I also am no fan of the theme.. maybe thats the issue for me. Maybe if I had it at home, I have only played it at shows..... and I dont even care to finish the game. Maybe it was oversold to me.
Huh.
Quoted from romulusx:Shhhh?
Toy Story 4 is that boring it's already died off people's radar. Nobody even wants to talk about it anymore lol
Quoted from iceman44:And I like it because I’ve spent plenty of time in the casinos.
GNR. Just a phenomenal experience playing pinball.
For the tournament players? I don’t care about that.
Don’t know but if TS matches up to Wonka or GNR overall then should be happy campers
Pumpin turds still. TS4 is a joke.
Quoted from AvidPinPlayer:Just got my TS$ delivered. I really like the game. I had played it before in a showroom, but with a dark environment the light show is spectacular. Not sure, other than the price, why people negatively critique this pin. All my visitors seem to immediately migrate to this pin and play it longer than my other seven pins. The ball flow is great and some shots are challenging. The fidelity to the movie is very good and although I am not into kiddie themes, both TS4 and WW are two of my best pins.
Because its easy, nothing to shoot, cute plastic figurines and long ball times. Also, 2 pinballs in 1 with the integrated knock off Ipad. Whats not to absolutely love?
Quoted from AvidPinPlayer:I'm in ...
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Love the cake toppers, adds that little something extra, like an extra joke, to go along with this joke of a pin.
Quoted from JohnTTwo:I’m super happy the operator’s are killing it with TS4. It sure will help JJP sell out of TS4.
Going to take ALOT if plays to recoup $12,000. Probably wont happen
Quoted from yancy:I think Karl knew he was out before he unboxed it, just way too easy for him, especially in a small collection. I watched a stream where he eventually let the wizard mode MB drain out on purpose, twice in the same game. Seems like he was happy to run it through the collection and learn the rules, though.
It says he played 12 full games is this pin that easy lol.
Quoted from Rarehero:Well, his distributor wanted a deposit to get locked in. Oh well!
Of course he's complaining...he thought it was going to be actual Toy Story and Lawlor's best ever...but it turned out to be "Carnival with Toy Story 4 assets sort of" with nothing cool on the playfield.
He thought he was gonna make bank flipping it. Thats Kaneda, a flipper at heart.
Umm lol. Dialed in is the best JJP by far. Hall
Quoted from romulusx:I remember the fanboys for Stern were trying to defend the ugliness that was Led Zep ( my favorite band) So this bullshit goes on all the time.The big difference is I got over arguing my point in about a week and a half but JJP haters are still going on and on about TS Fuck it move on
Why don't you go to the owner's thread this is the general commentary thread about Toy Story 4. If you want roses and lollipops go elsewhere. Of course you've been told to do that before but you'd rather sit here and cry about JJP and how bad-ass they are, even though they're not.
Quoted from Betelgeuse:I hope you don't think that I made this up just to make Iceman look good, as I assure you nothing could be further from the truth. Reading back now, it may be a little confusing because some posts were edited.
jimwe5t posted alleged pictures of his collection, boasting about his lineup and accepting praise for the quality of his machines... but he slipped up. He was using pictures from someone elses collection and taking credit. The giveaway was that the games had foreign coin doors with an oddly placed single coin slot. He quickly realized his mistake and deliberately tried to cover it up by cropping out the coin doors from the photo. I saw the original photo that showed the coin doors in that brief window of time, though.
Is this true lol. Thats really sad!
Quoted from manadams:Can anyone explain why there is an "amazing" logo under the left flipper in the grass?[quoted image]
Its telling you TS4 is AMAZING.
Quoted from smokinhos:I'm curious.. how many posts in this thread are actually about TS4? How many are about how awesome it is? And a few of your guys need to get a Fn room.
Not many posts on how awesome it is(Is it???) you can go to the owners thread for more "positive" reviews.
Quoted from smokinhos:Wait.. people own this.. AND there's an owner's thread?
Im part of the larger OUT club, there is indeed a 100% owners IN thread.
Ill play it when I find one in the wild for sure!
Quoted from JohnTTwo:I watched the entire review, really made me sad how hard you guys were doing everything to pump up this modern day state of the art company. Since toys don’t matter in a pin to you I hope to see you stay firm on that in future releases.
Thanks again for your effort and time making your videos.
Yeah I've quit watching the videos I don't feel they're being real. They've got to say every game is great.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:Appreciate the video review as always. I can see falling into some of these same scores. Toy Story 4 isn't some terrible game, it's very fun hence the enjoyability score.
The issue many have is value. I think a value category for the review system would be very helpful, especially at today's insane prices. Greg made a comment about sometimes toys being good and sometime being bad. The example of Champion Pub was used for having too many toys and not the best gameplay. The problem there is you can buy a Champion Pub for $7k - $8k while Toy Story 4 starts at $12k...That's $12k for a pinball machine that is void of any toys in the back 1/3rd of the playfield, uses a 10" LCD versus a mech (in an area typically reserved for a mech), has a spinning disk, and a couple pop up mechs. It's just not what customers are used to from JJP and to make matters worse the price is now higher then ever.
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Lol toys should be an F across-the-board that right there proves they are not being honest about the game. Do they consider the ramp a toy or the pop up girl that gets dirty a toy?
Quoted from ZMeny:So if Toys & Innovation isn’t an F then that’s proof that we are being forcefully dishonest?….. gotcha
Yes. What do you consider a toy. What modern pin would get less than an B, if TS4 does? It's about credibility and that is not credible if you're gonna give this game a B, bottom line.Even C+ is suspect..
Quoted from ronaldvg:I do believe that Derek. I have been following you a lot and we share a lot of similarities in pinball and in EV's and spelling I could afford TS but I choose not to and do not tell people how great the game is as I know there are far better recent and future games. JJP started out great but now they seem to be just a money grab company like most companies in all other industries.
I liked the passion of the new pinball companies, but outside of Haggis I do not really see that anymore and that is a shame.
edit: I forgot about Multimorphic when writing the above. They seem to be really passionate also.
Spooky?? American Pinball??
Quoted from zaphX:See this is the kind of nuance I am looking forward to seeing.
e! Hopefully you find a shit ton, cause
Quoted from greenhornet:when it comes to people's opinions...
there are those who HAVE to be right all the time, and then there are those who HAPPEN to be right most of the time.
And some are just right, always. Its a hard roe to hoe.
Your welcome!
Quoted from romulusx:Just to get this straight do you think UM is a better game then TS4?
Not factoring in price(ridiculously overpriced) for sure!
Most games are better than TS4 so I'm gonna go with he probably thinks it is as well.
Quoted from mdclips:Yeah - I didn’t mean to be snarky, but jjp is in business to make money, so if the market responds by not buying, that’s what will affect their price. I think they put significantly more into their machines than most manufacturers, so I don’t think their price is so out of line.
I'm guessing you haven't actually seen pictures of TS4 yet then? Because there's absolutely nothing in the game lol what are you talking about?
Quoted from romulusx:Wow and how old are we.My dogs bigger because he eats Kennelration
my dogs bigger then yours
You know there's an owner's thread we don't have to hear the bitter truth, right?
Quoted from romulusx:Things matter!come on man you can’t say that this shit isn’t over analyzed to death.It’s hilarious man
Well if there was something interesting to talk about in this game then I guess we might talk about that but since there's not, we're gonna talk about upgraded armor with autographs that may or may not be similar to the movie. Personally I loved the insight that he gave.
Quoted from rai:I do hear Disney pushes the latest products like Eternals or Ms Marvel over the classic characters (that are popular) like Iron Man, Captain America etc.
But TS4 is already old movie and Stern was able to get original SW trilogy which is the best license ever. Can’t see why JJP couldn’t get TS1-3 or even just TS2 if they wanted to do a single movie. Can have Zurg at least instead of Gabby.
Someone said it was Disney who made the choice, thus the newest in TS4. I dont think Disney owned SW just yet when it was produced.
Quoted from NC_Pin:I think this pretty much nails it....
Interestingly... the game gets a lot of things right.
art
call outs
layout/flow
and other than depth... code
Makes me think that it may have a rebound in popularity once the initial disgruntledness goes away
You mean once prices fall to $9000, then it may become more popular. I agree.
Quoted from Freakyguy666:The only ones claiming that they did were the TS4 bashers claiming there was “nothing in it”…even though the facts proved otherwise…that should tell you all you need to know about the disingenuousness of the bashers…
The game is a turd, we all know it and deep down so to you.
Comparing it to Godzilla is laughable.
The game is a turd we all know it and deep down so do you.
Totally laughable to even think to compare it to Godzilla lol
Quoted from romulusx:Oh I see you said it time and time again now go play that pinball machine
Yea i was having posting issues lol.
Quoted from Freakyguy666:That’s your body trying to resist typing your bs…
My logic is stronger than my body!!
Quoted from romulusx:You should probably buy Stern pins!
Thats what we have all been saying, glad you finally came around! You in on Bond or what!
Quoted from Freakyguy666:Agreed….and many are using mobile devices that have retarded auto-correct features that incorrectly utilize “your” an it’s too much trouble on a mobile device to go back and correct it…
Exactly, I voice to text and I feel like my appointment gets across without going back and correcting every single little grammatical air!
See!!!
Quoted from TheLaw:Oh grammer nazi's are the worst; but I mean his pic is funny.
For sure the 1st time he posted, I'm like the grammar nazi, then the 2nd time it happened I had to laugh out loud lol
Quoted from Freakyguy666:Don’t worry…according to the haters it’ll be selling for 20 bucks in a few weeks due to lack of “value”
Let me know when it gets to $15. Im a buyer then! Couple of weeks at most!
Quoted from Tyler_Durden:I found this TS4 ultimate mod kit for only 25$ on Disney store. Fits in perfectly.
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You're overpaying there's one on Amazon for 14 bucks, I think that's the same model JJP went with as well so if you want authenticity better hit that 1 up.
Quoted from Reznnate:I agree with everything except that TS4 was a misstep.
I think TS4 is fun and well designed. I think the rules flow was a conscious, different, and good decision.
I think the pricing was relative to market, with recent Stern increases, and value of their manufacturing (bottleneck).
We all hate $10k+ pinball prices but if people can somehow justify Stern LE games are worth $10k, JJP LE games are definitely worth $2500 more.
Like most things on pinside, the current negativity is overblown as people attempt to justify passing on it. It will diffuse over time... again.
Are you smoking crack?
Quoted from Reznnate:Agree to disagree. Godzilla is their most desirable game and they're making a million of them. $9k for a premium (fine) and $15k for an LE now? For "collectability"? Ok. Lol...
And 15 grand is better spent on that, then TS4 by a long shot.
Really. Yall should stop comparing TS4 to GZ for anything, cause TS4 had nothing over GZ, save for MSRP.
Still out.
Quoted from frankmac:Just pick up a TS4 LE @ Pinballs.com/Automated services and it is good pin. I do have a lot of pins so this will be fine in my collection. I adjusted the flipper strength ^ and sling strength ^ to my liking and have it at a pretty step pitch and it plays fantastic.
Had a few family friends over to play tonight and the feed back was fantastic. Ages 12 to 75 and everyone had a blast on it! *Note none of them had seen a review or have a pinside account. Just open minded playing.
Let em know you paid 12 large lol
Quoted from Freakyguy666:And most people would consider the old school Godzilla theme absolutely irrelevant in modern culture…to argue that TS4 has less appeal is clearly a pinside only opinion…
No, ratings matter and even after you were warned, you compared it to GZ. Lol. Flynn broke down the whole coil argument, you should understand what he says.
Again, TS4 and Godzilla. Some people and their mental gymnastics.
Still out.
Quoted from Freakyguy666:And most people would consider the old school Godzilla theme absolutely irrelevant in modern culture…to argue that TS4 has less appeal is clearly a pinside only opinion…
Show me on the doll where Godzilla touched you lol.
Modern Culture? FFS the latest Godzilla was a few years ago and its been around for decades and will outlive woody and the spoon for decades to come.
Some peoples kids.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:We all know by now though that more coils doesn’t necessary mean a better or an even more loaded game. Same goes for value.
Let’s compare motorized mechs, magnets, and detailed molds in GZ and Toy Story 4. Would you rather have 4 pop bumpers or a large motorized moving building with a motorized moving physical ball lock on top of it? Would you rather have a pop up bash toy (Gabby Gabby) or a motorized moving ramp that reveals a shot to a mechagodzilla mold with a magnet that captures the ball? Would you rather have a kick out shot or a breaking bridge mech? Would you rather have a ramp divertor or a magnetic newton ball mech? Would you rather the custom molds in GZ or the $20 Amazon cake toppers in Toy Story?
It’s toys, mechs, and molds in the examples above that help show coil count alone doesn’t mean more fun (or even more value). Motorized mechs, magnets, and molds mean just as much if not more then coils.
Freakboy will take gabby gabby all day long. Godzilla scares him i think!
Quoted from Freakyguy666:Ummm everything you just wrote is “subjective”…I was referring to BOM which is Objective…to refresh your memory, the haters would have you believe TS4 is cheaper to make than a Godzilla Premium…that is objectively not remotely the case…and I for one absolutely cringe at the OG Godzilla theme…it’s just pure garbage to me…dude in a glorified monkey suit with cardboard buildings shot on a low res 70s camcorder is not enticing in the slightest…playing the game I appreciate the creativity & engineering but it is simply not fun due to the cringy theme…TS4 is simply in a superior league entirely…go check the cost and difficulty in attaining a license for TS4 vs the OG Godzilla license….night and day..there is a reason for that—it’s called the free market. It doesn’t lie.
Got any more crack? You are probably the only person in the world that would pick TS4 over GZ. Lol. TS4 will never ever even think about hitting the top 50, let alone dethroning the King? Good lord man..Glad you enjoy it though..
Quoted from Freakyguy666:Your continual reference to crack explains your inability to distinguish opinions from facts….and also your affection for men in glorified monkey suits from the 50s…
Let me put it this way if you are on drugs you need to get off drugs if you aren't on drugs you need to start taking them because you are nuts, for real.
And your affection for little kid themes is pretty creepy actually. Freakguy666 seems appropriate.
Quoted from Lermods:The tablet in the game is actually very useful, providing a good indicator or what to shoot for, shots remaining. I agree it’s big and looks out of place, but it is useful. It’s much easier to read and use compared to the lcds in the hobbit and GnR.
I believe hes talking about the LCD screens in the backboxes.
He pretty much has a complaint about everything.
Quoted from romulusx:That is some funny shit!Obvious fan boy!Hey bashing TS4 is so yesterday let’s all go over and help disappointed citizens bash James Bond!! Looks fine to me by the way.
So are you in or out for Bond?
Quoted from Petes0281:I played TS the other day. Thought it was decent. Maybe it was luck, but the game didn't seem to be a ball drainer like some. I wouldn't buy the game because it's too much of a carnival gimmick/theme.
Just a wallet drainer.
Quoted from zaphX:I'm sorry to say the price hike on this game was the nudge to get me disinterested in pinball.
It's not that I can't afford it, it's that it's not worth it to me any more at these prices.
It looks like Stern is following suit too so...oh well, I'll find something else to do.
You do realize pinball existed before 2016, right? Must be tough keeping up with the Jones's type when you can't keep up with the jones or don't want to.
You are a collector, not a player, and thats ok!
Quoted from romulusx:Just enjoy the games you have!That ‘s what I try to do and be grateful !
I know how you feel about the crazy pricing that’s happening and it’s sad that it’s got this bad.It really does make me feel sad that I can’t afford any new pins and even older titles are crazy nowadays.Keep on rockin in the free world brother
Hes not a pinball enthusiast, he an asset collector.
Quoted from zaphX:An "asset collector" with 3 games? Ok.
I never said I was one. Im a player and can stand to "play" old games. You sour on pinball overall because of pricing? Theres more to pinball than the price, just saying.
Quoted from zaphX:No you called me an asset collector which is crazy for anyone who knows me.
The prices have jumped to the point that it’s not worth it to me any more. Simple as that. It was already nuts but I did it anyway. Now it’s crazy town.
But you implied you were giving up pinball in general, not NIB purchases. Big difference.
Quoted from Freakyguy666:Yep, something a crack dealer would say…meanwhile, you failed to acknowledge that I deal in facts while you have no choice but to keep falling back on opinions…
Missed this.
You still need drugs lol.
Quoted from zaphX:*Probably* not giving up pinball in general, but it has certainly dropped in stature on my priority list by a lot.
Because of price? I mean, there is more to pinball than the newest release. Just saying.
Quoted from zaphX:Everyone's engagement with the hobby is different.
Mine is: I like modern LCD-era games, especially JJPs as they (before Toy Story) had the rule depth I liked.
I've played what's out there so, unless new product comes out I'm done with the segment of the hobby I care about.
New and fresh.
Fyi. New Lambos and Ferraris are expensive af. What hobby are you moving into?
Quoted from zaphX:Not my bag, I'm a Porsche guy.
Not sure which hobby is next, might focus on something productive and revenue-generating instead.
No interest in golf or other sports.
You should stick with pins. Maybe they dont appreciate at 25% anymore, but still fun?
Ugh. Living your life one .25 percentage point at a time.
Quoted from zaphX:You are misunderstanding my position on this.
I don't need pins to appreciate. I buy them for what they are, at the price they are.
But people have thresholds for what a specific thing is worth TO THEM.
Example: Some people are content to drive Camry, some drive Porsches. To the Camry people, paying more than 35K (or whatever they cost) is not worth it because in their mind and for their preferences, "no car is worth more than that."
This is where I am with pins. They've pushed the pricing up to a tier that just doesn't interest me. I won't get 15K fun out of a CE pin.
So every new release that was once a Porsche, cause it was new and fresh and fun, is now a Camry cause its not new, but still fresh and fun. Or like many classics, not even fresh?
Is TS4 a Porsche to the Godzilla Camry just because its newer?
Anyway, bummer to see ya go, you were always pretty level headed!
Quoted from jfh:Nah. TS4 is a Ford Pinto that thinks it’s a Porsche.
But priced like a Bugatti.
Quoted from zaphX:I wasn't going to re-engage but damn you COMPLETELY missed the point of the analogy.
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The point is that all goods have a price point at which it's no longer worth it to a consumer.
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That price varies with each consumer based on their own personal financial situation and preferences.
For me, pinball has hit that threshold.
You imply that Pinball is not for you, because you cant justify the peice for new pins. That is the vibe i get from you. To be clear, do you still like playing your current pins?
Quoted from zaphX:Wonka won't go anywhere. We still play that one a lot.
Pirates, we'll see. For the right exorbitant price I'd let it go.
Guns is on the way out in trade for TBL. We'll see what kind of staying power TBL has.
Oh yea i think good move on the Guns! TBL looks amazing and what a story. Ive never even seen one though....
Quoted from JohnTTwo:I agree with this line of thinking and really enjoy my 700 HP normally aspirated C-5 for 1/3 of your range. 0-60 in 2.9, 205 top speed, and still crushes it in auto cross. I can't see why to spend more. Maybe a Tesla Plaid that is a real value for speed and ease.
Im not there myself, But if you have to ask how much something cost you can't afford.
Quoted from JohnTTwo:I ask how much everything cost. Heck I can’t remember buying anything where I didn’t ask what it cost. Confused on that on I guess.
Everyone is so sensitive I'm just saying you're saying you're getting a heck of Deal with a Corvette when comparing price and specs which means you were comparing price you're saying you're getting a good deal.
Quoted from AvidPinPlayer:TS4 is now # 24 on Pinside Top 100
Ahows how flawed the rankings are. Top 24!! Dropping like a rock in price!!
TS4 is
Quoted from PanzerFreak:I may be eating my own words with this game, traded a pretty heavily modded (no topper) low play Ghostbusters premium for a NIB Toy Story CE. Will share some more thoughts once I get it up and running.
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Prett bold move If you consider the supposed high ranking of GB. I personally never really liked it much so I could see you moving onto something new. Interested in your thoughts.
Quoted from Jaytech10:It is still earning more than any of my sterns in the same location which is a bar. Going strong for 5 months now. JJPs have to be fine tuned up. Adjusting pitch, and coil strengths. And if the mechs are not flush with the playfield just like any other machine it's going to play like crap.
Cool you must have a lot of tourists l o l
Quoted from smokinhos:Bonus points for accidently quoting myself.. lol.
Inline with the general cluster that is TS.
What is actually rumored next from JJP?
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