I am out. I hope JJP has another hit on their hands, but with today's pricing a pin would need to check every box for me to consider it.

Toy Story does nothing for me, nor any other Pixar/Dreamworks type theme. Maybe I was too old for those movies.

The playfield issues suck and I do not have any confidence that they are resolved.

With GNR being a sales success for them, JJP needs to put some resources back into the company and support teams. They are stretched too thin.

I already have a POTC, which I think represents the best of what JJP was the best at; making mechanically complex games with immersive atmosphere. I find Pirates and Dialed In to be the most fun. The games since haven't really had much in the way of toys/mechs. Who knows if this will be any different.

Part 4's are usually a cheap cash in, but... Rocky IV, Friday the 13th - The Final Chapter, and Police Academy 4 were good additions.

Oh yes, so different from the market of "wow a fan layout with 2 ramps, an orbit, a center bash target and the ball moves so fast through all that air and it's my #6 favorite super hero/band theme" here is my deposit guys. Clearly, those are the *real* pinball players.

I get that. AFM is one of my favorite games. I have had mine for 14 years and will probably never part with it. That's why I own multiple pinball machines, so I can also have some that play completely different. I wouldn't want 20 games that have gameplay similar to AFM.

Same. I'm still following because I want to see where JJP is headed and what Lawler has come up with, but I'm not even considering taking another leap of faith. Admittedly, the TS theme is also not my cup of tea, which makes it easier. It would have to be a game I've got some time on and decided it's completely worth getting rid of two other great games to acquire. I'll watch the high rollers duke it out for CE spots while I sit in the stands and drink.

Yup, this is what 'killed' POTC. People had pre-ordered the version with the triple spinning discs and had already been waiting many months for production to start, while things kind of went quiet from JJP. Then Eric announced that the triple spinning disc and the trunk were being removed from the game out of reliability concerns (this video is still on yt). People were understandably upset that the game was no longer quite what they had bought into and many cancelled their orders. I suppose you could argue that Pinside is where buyers expressed their frustrations about this, but Pinside had mostly been saying very good things about POTC up until this point.

No need to wait:

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/137382

I see this repeated often, but the reason Pirates sold poorly at first was because pre-orders had the rug pulled out from under them with the triple spinning disc and moving chest being removed. The game was also delayed significantly and a lot of people felt burned and cancelled their orders because that was their only recourse. Many took a wait and see approach and that did not pay off. Almost the entire pinball community was singing the games praises before that mess. It's not like people weren't buying just because the game sucked or something.

Ha! I suppose we do agree then. It's just that without context and when compairing POTC to TS4, it sounds like you're saying sales were poor for the same reasons. Though you are right that if JJP cut production of TS4 short, FOMO would no doubt drive up values.

Sometimes I get a good laugh from looking at the excuses in the classified listings for new release games. So many people suddenly need to make room for some other game or have an unexpected financial crisis. Of course, selling any of the 10+ other games that they own is out of the question. It's the new game they just got a few weeks ago (or pre-ordered) that's gotta go, even if it means a big $$$ loss and they really love the game!

Wait a minute... When you first posted this pic, these games had unusual coin doors with single coin slots. They didn't look like U.S. coin doors. Now you edited the picture to intentionally crop those out? What gives?

Like hell I was. I just thought it was odd at first, but figured you'd end up getting called out on it pretty quickly. But no, picture is now cropped to hide the slip up.

And now the picture is completely gone? You are BUSTED. Even if anyone else has doubts, I saw that bs right there. You would have been better off with trying to explain it away like you put games in a location that uses Swiss Francs for a children's charity or something, but it's too late now. I doubt the Batman 66's were even the same machine.

I wasn't even part of the debate, but sorry, I just couldn't let that go.

I will admit I was curious to see what games you owned.

I hope you don't think that I made this up just to make Iceman look good, as I assure you nothing could be further from the truth. Reading back now, it may be a little confusing because some posts were edited.

jimwe5t posted alleged pictures of his collection, boasting about his lineup and accepting praise for the quality of his machines... but he slipped up. He was using pictures from someone elses collection and taking credit. The giveaway was that the games had foreign coin doors with an oddly placed single coin slot. He quickly realized his mistake and deliberately tried to cover it up by cropping out the coin doors from the photo. I saw the original photo that showed the coin doors in that brief window of time, though.

Yup, you took down the photographic evidence from last night and are now posting an entirely different photo. I guess I'm outwitted on this one.

People can choose whether to believe me or believe you. It doesn't really make a difference to me. I know the truth. It's not cool to take credit for someone else's collection.

Retailers are now selling TS4 for a $1k discount? Is this the first time a NIB JJP has been advertised for significantly below retail?

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/shops/1299-maine-home-recreation/07035-toy-story-4-le-nib

Thankfully we have thoughtful and unbiased raters like m00nmuppet, who have played every edition of every new title, to help offset all of those bogus scores.

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I don't think this invalidates the entire rating system. New games have always been a wild card. How many times did we see the latest Stern release debut in the #1 spot over the last decade? It used to be as predictable as the sunset. Cactus Canyon had it's moment recently too. It doesn't take long for them to settle into a more realistic spot as more people enter their ratings and it's easy enough to just ignore them until then.