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Quoted from explosiveegg:Yes, JJP games are still noticeably more heavy than games from other manufacturers.
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Quoted from PanzerFreak:That’s good to hear, yeah it’s definitely a fun game. I still understand and agree with the value arguments. For the price there really should be more in it but it is what it is at this point. That doesn’t take away from the fun factor but the pricing is still pretty ridiculous. Same goes for Stern. It’s hard to argue value anymore when all of these games are priced so ridiculously high.
With that being said the CE is one beautiful damn pinball machine, just wow! The way the playfield and radcals pop is pretty jaw dropping. I’ve never seen my reflection in a pinball decal but did tonight lol.
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No matter how much the lack of mechs and imagination play-wise bugs me, i gotta say that is one beautiful machine.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:For sure. I moved Ghostbusters premium out the same night I brought Toy Story in and the JJP game must weigh 50 - 100lbs more. JJP definitely uses some heavy duty components but I think most of the extra weight is in the head which is completely made out of wood versus Stern's heads that are mostly sheet metal.
You feel most of it in the PF itself. The PF support rails must be lead filled 
Besides that you the head is a lot heavier too with the monitor bracket, materials, etc.
I don't think they are really any 'beefier' just a fuck ton heavier. Tho I do think the lower cabinets are more rigid than Stern's.
Saint Johns, FL
Quoted from smokinhos:American pinball are heavy as hell too. 350 or so.
Are you referencing a certain machine? I somewhat recently helped a friend setup a LOV and it felt pretty similar to the weight of a modern Stern game.
Quoted from Dr-pin:No matter how much the lack of mechs and imagination play-wise bugs me, i gotta say that is one beautiful machine.
Same. It's a push-pull. Such a lazy playfield design, barely any toys or mechs, and the code is reduced so kids can get to the wizard mode in 15-20 mins, but the machine itself is a graphic triumph. It's such a stunner. Really stands out in a line-up.
My 5-year-old son really enjoyed the game at a friend's house, it actually got him to start playing pinball in general. There was one for $10k locally, which I could probably get back if/when I sell it, but man, just can't cough up that kinda coin for a game I don't love. I've never spent more than $8k on a pin; don't wanna crack the five-figure ceiling for this one.
Ottawa, ON
Quoted from yancy:My 5-year-old son really enjoyed the game at a friend's house, it actually got him to start playing pinball in general. There was one for $10k locally, which I could probably get back if/when I sell it, but man, just can't cough up that kinda coin for a game I don't love. I've never spent more than $8k on a pin; don't wanna crack the five-figure ceiling for this one.
It is a fun game. Shoots easy but playing it well to score high isn't.
Quoted from yancy:My 5-year-old son really enjoyed the game at a friend's house, it actually got him to start playing pinball in general. There was one for $10k locally, which I could probably get back if/when I sell it, but man, just can't cough up that kinda coin for a game I don't love. I've never spent more than $8k on a pin; don't wanna crack the five-figure ceiling for this one.
In fairness, you have many machines now that you wouldn't be able to get for less than $10k anymore. Even Stern Premiums are essentially 10k now... You could easily just trade for one of those if you wanted.
With how many games you have, I imagine that you would find personal value in being able to have your son enjoy your collection and hobby as well. Based on what you said, this game could very well be that. If he gets bored of it quickly. Then just sell it, you'll probably lose a few hundred dollars in the process, but at the end of the day you'll feel good knowing you tried to nourish that spark you saw.
I personally have some games in my collection that I don't love, I just value their uniqueness. It probably wouldn't hurt to give JJP a try. IMO, they're significantly nicer to work on than modern Sterns.
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Quoted from explosiveegg:In fairness, you have many machines now that you wouldn't be able to get for less than $10k anymore. Even Stern Premiums are essentially 10k now... You could easily just trade for one of those if you wanted.
With how many games you have, I imagine that you would find personal value in being able to have your son enjoy your collection and hobby as well. Based on what you said, this game could very well be that. If he gets bored of it quickly. Then just sell it, you'll probably lose a few hundred dollars in the process, but at the end of the day you'll feel good knowing you tried to nourish that spark you saw.
I personally have some games in my collection that I don't love, I just value their uniqueness. It probably wouldn't hurt to give JJP a try. IMO, they're significantly nicer to work on than modern Sterns.
This actually makes sense!
2 months later
Quoted from Roostking:Played this today, its shitbox of a pin. Wow...
Opinions are like @-holes….eveybody’s got one…
Quoted from m00nmuppet:Same. It's a push-pull. Such a lazy playfield design, barely any toys or mechs, and the code is reduced so kids can get to the wizard mode in 15-20 mins, but the machine itself is a graphic triumph. It's such a stunner. Really stands out in a line-up.
What is your thoughts on deadpool or jurassic park? Those don't have a lot of mechs
Quoted from Roostking:Played this today, its shitbox of a pin. Wow...
It is still earning more than any of my sterns in the same location which is a bar. Going strong for 5 months now. JJPs have to be fine tuned up. Adjusting pitch, and coil strengths. And if the mechs are not flush with the playfield just like any other machine it's going to play like crap.
Quoted from Jaytech10:It is still earning more than any of my sterns in the same location which is a bar. Going strong for 5 months now. JJPs have to be fine tuned up. Adjusting pitch, and coil strengths. And if the mechs are not flush with the playfield just like any other machine it's going to play like crap.
Cool you must have a lot of tourists l o l
Quoted from explosiveegg:In fairness, you have many machines now that you wouldn't be able to get for less than $10k anymore. Even Stern Premiums are essentially 10k now... You could easily just trade for one of those if you wanted.
With how many games you have, I imagine that you would find personal value in being able to have your son enjoy your collection and hobby as well. Based on what you said, this game could very well be that. If he gets bored of it quickly. Then just sell it, you'll probably lose a few hundred dollars in the process, but at the end of the day you'll feel good knowing you tried to nourish that spark you saw.
I personally have some games in my collection that I don't love, I just value their uniqueness. It probably wouldn't hurt to give JJP a try. IMO, they're significantly nicer to work on than modern Sterns.
You had me until "significantly nicer to work on than modern sterns". I think that's more opinion than fact.
Quoted from smokinhos:You had me until "significantly nicer to work on than modern sterns". I think that's more opinion than fact.
I played this. It was fun. Don't see it staying long in a collection, but with prices dropping i feel like there's been a market correction by the masses but not yet by JJP. These get under $10k, I can see more people adding it for friends and family. At least in a collection with more than a few pins. The lack of post regularity and total number usually indicates a general acceptance or lack of. At only 3k after the hype.. pinside says meh..
Bonus points for accidently quoting myself.. lol.
Quoted from smokinhos:Bonus points for accidently quoting myself.. lol.
Inline with the general cluster that is TS.
What is actually rumored next from JJP?
Quoted from smokinhos:You had me until "significantly nicer to work on than modern sterns". I think that's more opinion than fact.
Which is why I lead the statement with, IMO (in my opinion).
Sterns OS is extremely dated though. It really hasn't changed much since the Sega Whitestar days. Even Williams pinball 2000 games had a real GUI that would illustrate the playfield to help you diagnose switch issues or other problems.
Stern is really behind every other manufacturer when it comes to their operator menus.
Scrolling through the hundreds of adjustments, one adjustment at a time with about a 10 character limit on what the adjustments actually do is painful.
Plus on the physical side of things, JJP has the glide rails, ball trough locks, service outlets, connectors on most coils, etc. All things that make it easier to work on.
I definitely prefer working on issues for my TS4 over working on issues with my Stern games.
Quoted from Roostking:Cool you must have a lot of tourists l o l
Little tourists. Phof gets the tourists.
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