No matter how much the lack of mechs and imagination play-wise bugs me, i gotta say that is one beautiful machine.

You feel most of it in the PF itself. The PF support rails must be lead filled

Besides that you the head is a lot heavier too with the monitor bracket, materials, etc.

I don't think they are really any 'beefier' just a fuck ton heavier. Tho I do think the lower cabinets are more rigid than Stern's.

American pinball are heavy as hell too. 350 or so.

Lighter the better. Don;t quite see any "added value" of DI over Godzilla.

Are you referencing a certain machine? I somewhat recently helped a friend setup a LOV and it felt pretty similar to the weight of a modern Stern game.

Same. It's a push-pull. Such a lazy playfield design, barely any toys or mechs, and the code is reduced so kids can get to the wizard mode in 15-20 mins, but the machine itself is a graphic triumph. It's such a stunner. Really stands out in a line-up.

I can help you move your CE on Weds, Mo. text me. I’m around. All JJPs are tanks.

My 5-year-old son really enjoyed the game at a friend's house, it actually got him to start playing pinball in general. There was one for $10k locally, which I could probably get back if/when I sell it, but man, just can't cough up that kinda coin for a game I don't love. I've never spent more than $8k on a pin; don't wanna crack the five-figure ceiling for this one.

It is a fun game. Shoots easy but playing it well to score high isn't.

In fairness, you have many machines now that you wouldn't be able to get for less than $10k anymore. Even Stern Premiums are essentially 10k now... You could easily just trade for one of those if you wanted.

With how many games you have, I imagine that you would find personal value in being able to have your son enjoy your collection and hobby as well. Based on what you said, this game could very well be that. If he gets bored of it quickly. Then just sell it, you'll probably lose a few hundred dollars in the process, but at the end of the day you'll feel good knowing you tried to nourish that spark you saw.

I personally have some games in my collection that I don't love, I just value their uniqueness. It probably wouldn't hurt to give JJP a try. IMO, they're significantly nicer to work on than modern Sterns.

This actually makes sense!

Played this today, its shitbox of a pin. Wow...

Opinions are like @-holes….eveybody’s got one…

What is your thoughts on deadpool or jurassic park? Those don't have a lot of mechs

It is still earning more than any of my sterns in the same location which is a bar. Going strong for 5 months now. JJPs have to be fine tuned up. Adjusting pitch, and coil strengths. And if the mechs are not flush with the playfield just like any other machine it's going to play like crap.

Cool you must have a lot of tourists l o l

Oktoberfest.. early run.. brutal.

You had me until "significantly nicer to work on than modern sterns". I think that's more opinion than fact.

I played this. It was fun. Don't see it staying long in a collection, but with prices dropping i feel like there's been a market correction by the masses but not yet by JJP. These get under $10k, I can see more people adding it for friends and family. At least in a collection with more than a few pins. The lack of post regularity and total number usually indicates a general acceptance or lack of. At only 3k after the hype.. pinside says meh..

Bonus points for accidently quoting myself.. lol.

Inline with the general cluster that is TS.

What is actually rumored next from JJP?

Which is why I lead the statement with, IMO (in my opinion).

Sterns OS is extremely dated though. It really hasn't changed much since the Sega Whitestar days. Even Williams pinball 2000 games had a real GUI that would illustrate the playfield to help you diagnose switch issues or other problems.

Stern is really behind every other manufacturer when it comes to their operator menus.

Scrolling through the hundreds of adjustments, one adjustment at a time with about a 10 character limit on what the adjustments actually do is painful.

Plus on the physical side of things, JJP has the glide rails, ball trough locks, service outlets, connectors on most coils, etc. All things that make it easier to work on.

I definitely prefer working on issues for my TS4 over working on issues with my Stern games.

Little tourists. Phof gets the tourists.

Seeing some of the latest LE sales are around 9k if you have a LE in the Midwest and are looking to get rid of it hit me up.

Thanks

John

Finally had a chance to play this at location......
Not much in it. I was kind of schocked actually.
Place this next to a dialed in and most would bet dialed in cost the doubble.

On shots not much there either.
If i bought it, it wouldnt stay for more then a month.

Really? There’s a jump ramp with two moving Benson posts, spinning wheel, pop up character mech, real mechanical kickback, one drop target, 4 pops, the 10” mini LCD, and a physical ball lock. Sure it doesn’t have a ton but it’s comparable to a lot of modern games.

Dialed In doesn’t cost twice as much as the theme is terrible…that’s always held that game back. Both games are great shooters thanks to Pat.

100% agree with you.

That’s apparently the “cool” opinion to have so congrats on being “cool”…but talk to anyone with this game on location and virtually all will tell you this game is among the very top earners…often with a wait to play…as to “not much in it”, the jump ramp is extremely fun and its incorporation into the “Save Forky” challenge is among the most satisfying in pinball to complete….and unless you’re near pro level, that jump ramp will remain a fun challenge to attempt multiple consecutive shots…and that’s just the tip of the iceberg…

Ahhh the South Park defense

i´m a 57 years old senior consultant pulmonologist, i assure you, in my world nothing regarding pinball is considered cool.

If you like it, it´s great. I really loved hobbit and had it here for a long time, due to immersion and rules.

For me, there was nothing in it.(TS)

Would you really say compared to Woz, hobbit, pirates and gnr, that it didn´t lack effort?

I've owned all of those, Hobbit just left (just grew tired of it, fun game) while Toy Story 4 CE is never leaving. The one area that I think shows a lack of effort in TS is the 10" LCD. That area should have been used for an actual physical mech. JJP's uses a 27" LCD as the main display yet somehow the game needed a 10" LCD in a prime real estate area of the playfield? I don't get that decision. At least there's a bunch of unique animations for it and it's implemented well across all the game modes.

The game has a decent amount going on it, see my post above. I would make that case that Toy Story 4 has 2x the number of toys that interact with the ball as JJP's latest title Godfather (a smaller spinning disk and a basic lift ramp). Most of the mechs in TS are at and or below the playfield which at first glance can give the illusion of the game coming across as rather bear until those items activate. That jump ramp is now one of my favorite shots in pinball. The main mechs that are there, the jump ramp with the two posts, the spinning disk, and the character pop up mech all feel fairly substantial. Like Toy Story 4 or not the jump ramp is a substantial interactive mech, there's really nothing like that in GNR or Godfather.

Code wise the ruleset is more approachable compared to some of JJP's past titles yet still offers a lot to do. It's cool that there's 7 objectives clearly laid on the playfield for how to get to the games wizard mode, which has multiple stages and two different paths to it. There's also 11 carnival modes, and I think 5 or 6 multiballs in the game. Overall the ruleset in TS feels more focused and far less generic IMO compared to Pirates and GNR. JJP also went out and hired Tim Allen, Annie Potts, and Tom Hank's brother for custom callouts. I wouldn't describe any of that as a lack of effort.

If you honestly look at the playfield and see can’t anything, then anyone consulting you as a pulmonologist should be wary of your input….Panzer is correct…

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