The big screens allow a lot more real estate to show progress of the game. JJP typically fills up that space to show everything you'd want to know.

Where on many Stern games, you have to sit with the ball cradled for a few seconds for the menus to pop up and then you have to flip through 12 different menus to get the information you need. It's painful.

For this reason, I disagree, and think the bigger screens do add value. That being said, for a simpler game like TS4, there really isn't as much going on in the background to keep track of.

I also find that screens on the playfield are a nice touch too. As you can quickly look at them mid game without needing to cradle. You can shoot a ramp, look at the playfield screen and get the information you need, all before the ball drops to your lane. I find this much harder to do with backbox displays.

Untrue. I did. Godzilla does nothing for me.

If you don't like the giant backbox screen, move on - JJPs ain't for you.

They aren't going to change it (or at least I hope they don't, it's part of what I like.)

So 2.

I thought I was the only one.

It's a fine game, just not for me. I don't care for the theme at all.

Great game. Layout. Have one. Theme is not my favorite either.

The screen size is one of the best features of JJP. GNR rock concert, yep. Wonka, fantastic, plenty of availability to watch screen

maybe jjp toy story ce is not that out of line. sterns 007 le is 13,000 ??

I like all the screen sizes. I think Stern is trying to keep the old school look with smaller screen...they both work for me.

I think the problem with Stern LCD displays is more about the font size and UI design...not the absolute size of the screen. I owned DILE for years and never felt like it was giving me much more info than I get on Stern games.

Just to be clear, I agree the larger LCD adds some value...I think we just disagree on exactly how much. I'm not a fan of video modes and while the ball is in play, that's where you are focused. The GNR concert footage is insanely cool, but it's not possible to watch a concert and play the game concurrently. More for spectators and/or other players...

Yep, something a crack dealer would say…meanwhile, you failed to acknowledge that I deal in facts while you have no choice but to keep falling back on opinions…

Agree, but that's programming not screen size. DI size is used for displaying animations more than information which is a let down. On the flip side I'm borrowing a TMNT (uff) and the way they display some info on the side I wish it was a larger screen Again, probably just could use diff'rent color/size/fonts do be better displayed.

I always hope trolls at least get they're trolls and are having fun with it instead of seriously that deranged.
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You are a poor judge of pinball machines.

No you are.

Wrong dummy…ratings are opinions…no surprise that TS4 haters can’t grasp the distinction…

Bwahaaha!

Whoa, nice to know that GZ deserves to be even higher, with these nonsense scores factored out.

The ONLY opinion that matters on a pin is your own.
Not podcasters, not Pinside, not even the Pinside Top 100.

If you like a game, great. If you don't like it, it's not for you. Both positions are perfectly reasonable and valid.

Not according to the TS4 haters…the are so desperate to justify their opinions on the game…it’s pretty sad…

Waste of their time to post it and your time to read it.

I'm not complaining about LCD screens in general, I think they are great. I just think the size of JJ screens are obtrusive to the classic look of pinball games pushing it towards virtual pinball or a PS5 game.

Honestly it looks so crammed in there, too me it looks like a Homebrew project that way, but I guess I just enjoy a more classic look with speakers right there, like stern has kept.
For that reason, i'm out!

It looks s little homebrew from the inside, but outside is fine

Thankfully we have thoughtful and unbiased raters like m00nmuppet, who have played every edition of every new title, to help offset all of those bogus scores.

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That is some funny shit!Obvious fan boy!Hey bashing TS4 is so yesterday let’s all go over and help disappointed citizens bash James Bond!! Looks fine to me by the way.

So are you in or out for Bond?

I played TS the other day. Thought it was decent. Maybe it was luck, but the game didn't seem to be a ball drainer like some. I wouldn't buy the game because it's too much of a carnival gimmick/theme.

2 might be a bit much

Just a wallet drainer.

I'm sorry to say the price hike on this game was the nudge to get me disinterested in pinball.
It's not that I can't afford it, it's that it's not worth it to me any more at these prices.

It looks like Stern is following suit too so...oh well, I'll find something else to do.

Na man Bond sucks It’s just a box of lights with a big dildo!LOL

You do realize pinball existed before 2016, right? Must be tough keeping up with the Jones's type when you can't keep up with the jones or don't want to.

You are a collector, not a player, and thats ok!

Just enjoy the games you have!That ‘s what I try to do and be grateful !
I know how you feel about the crazy pricing that’s happening and it’s sad that it’s got this bad.It really does make me feel sad that I can’t afford any new pins and even older titles are crazy nowadays.Keep on rockin in the free world brother

Hes not a pinball enthusiast, he an asset collector.

You *really* don't know me.

I have over 15K plays on Wonka, 4K on guns and around 12K on Pirates across 3 machines.
I make streams and tutorial videos to help explain the rules and nuance.

I am absolutely a player, not a collector. I keep a small number of games that I play deeply into rather than a large collection that I play once each.

My first pin was SW Pro for $5800, which felt like an incredibly wasteful extravagance for one game.
That set the bug which got me into Pirates ($9500) then upgraded to CEs at $12500.

At 15K for a CE that's almost 3x the initial investment I made into pinball, and it's just not worth that (to ME.)

Kudos to people who make so much money they don't care. I never begrudge anyone's success and in fact I celebrate it.

For me these prices make me feel exploited and taken advantage of.

An "asset collector" with 3 games? Ok.

A fanboy calling a fanboy a fanboy, classic.

I got one have always enjoyed your tutorial videos. I still want a wonka after watching how much you enjoy yours. I wish TS4 was a must buy for me like I planned on it being for years, but maybe I’ll look a a wonka now instead. I’m with you on nib pricing as well. Getting harder to get newer games even huo these days.

Finally played it tonight. I thought it was a fun game. Just didn't blow me away and the price of the Le is ridiculous. I will wait to see if I like Richies The Godfather before I think about getting another JJP

Incredible rankings, yes, I like very much

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?? I totally stand by those scores, recent JJP's are not good in my opinion. They play like floaty mush, the way old Atari widebodies feel. The rulesets are either confusing (PoTC) or not-fun (GnR) or anemic (TS4). I am also factoring in price. I think JJP is the worst of the big manufacurers, especially with code. They bury their design shortcomings through lightshows and a big LCD (or two). Playing their machines alongside Sterns, they seem in disrepair and unfinished. I'm not alone in feeling this way about JJP, Keith Elwin said the mushy JJP flipper response made him feel like he was trying to play drunk. The PoTC at Ayce Gogi played so badly, I swear this video came to mind:

And at least I'm being honest about my estimates, the ones who are doing a disservice to the ratings are the TS4 sellers who spam the reviews with "You won't believe how happy it will make your family, you should buy one today! 9.85!"

What did you say?

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This coming from someone who has FunHouse as his profile picture and is the game you own.

Love me some Deadwood

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Come on dude don't let them ruin your fun! Your not a man who seems easy to control dig in, keep your games, and keep on playing them F the new games.

Thanks for all you do for the community, you are a good person Derek (

By design, CE's are priced to exploit the collector community. I've never considered a CE and rarely go for the LE's. Paying up for purely aesthetic differences never made sense to me (TRON LE is a notable exception).

Nevertheless, I couldn't agree more with your comment about feeling exploited in general! I'm not a topper guy (and don't own or care about Mando), but the newly introduced 2k topper just makes me shake my head. Stern will likely limit the production number and prices will likely go north of 2k. https://sternpinball.com/2022/10/19/stern-pinball-launches-new-the-mandaloriantm-topper-pinball-machine-accessory/

Fortunately, I love my collection and could care less if I never buy/trade another game.

I appreciate the kind words. I'll certainly keep what I have (and in fact have a trade deal happening to get me into a Lebowski.)

But most importantly...

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I never said I was one. Im a player and can stand to "play" old games. You sour on pinball overall because of pricing? Theres more to pinball than the price, just saying.

No you called me an asset collector which is crazy for anyone who knows me.

The prices have jumped to the point that it’s not worth it to me any more. Simple as that. It was already nuts but I did it anyway. Now it’s crazy town.