Their quality is good, not legendary as some people claim, but they are solid and should last a long long long time.

I agree.

When people talk about quality issues it is generally out-of-the-box tweaks; fixing a leaf switch gap, etc. No big deal.

Their support is also good as is the parts availability for the most part.

I own both Woz and DI both have been nearly trouble free. But you can’t say about the new games who knows?

Except the playfield.

The playfields on TS4 are solid.. I have seen no complaints, the flippers are much better... Quality is good.

That's great news for everyone. I think we'll all be glad to put playfieldgate in the rearview.

Not sure now; within the last year I bought a NIB GnRLE, LOV and Halloween CE, the GnR has given me lots of problems, and does feel cheap when playing between those 3 and Godzilla Prem; I never noticed it with Wonka, Wonka always felt solid as hell; I still love GnR, but that damn center VUK going SDTM kills me.

TS4 PF have been reported as very good.

I think this one might go down as the outlier. I've never seen a worse PF in my life than SE GNR; looked like a bad overaly job.

If you're talking about the scoop - yeah that shouldn't be, and it's correctable.

They had thousands of extra dollars to fix the playfields since they didnt put any goddamn toys in Toy Story.

I don't think you can really compare games like that. There are totally different development costs. CCr is unlicensed and pretty much already developed. CGC did update animations and code but not like they built a game from the ground up. I don't know if Lawlor draws a big paycheck but I'm guessing the Toy Story license wasn't cheap. You then have the large hd monitor, extra hardware to run all that, and more coding. The limited edition versions are always price at a premium banking on those that have to have that little plaque. JJP just tries to make everything a LE which is just stupid imo.

Well whatever. I’m looking at the game, CC has more stuff for far far less moneys. Also back in 98’ there was money spent to design the game so that part is redundant to me. Likely CGC had to pay for the rights to the game it’s not like they are free public domain.

You want to bet CCrLE is completely sold out and people want + $1-2k to sell their spots. While TS4 people all are selling at a loss.

Le just have to be the base model.
If not, what is there to remove?

The screen?

JJP has removed toys like the Monkey from Woz. I’d bet you could remove the troll dolls and the screen and nobody would care. Charge $8k maybe as a SE (or $7500)?

You're talking about having them remove at most, a couple hundred dollars in parts to sell the game for $4k less.

Yeah, but all manufacturers add a couple of hundred in parts and charge $4k more, so the math works.

„welcome to the wonderful world of voodoo mathematics practised by the marketing and financial types“ says the engineer.

Could some crazy good code update help save this game???

For me it would have to be a HUGE update - making the whole second half of carousel have all new modes/rewards.
That is probably not feasible.

No. My wife played it today with some friends.

First words when she got home: “Thank God you didn’t buy that game!”’. I didn’t even have to ask which game she was talking about.

Some of her favorites are Lawlor games, especially Whirlwind, NGG and Safe Cracker. We have been waiting for TS for seven years. She doesn’t like DI and doesn’t like Wonka enough so unlikely we’ll own a JJP game in the future. Got some brownie points when I reminded her CCr LE was $9250 and TS was $15k.

I haven’t played TS4 much but code isn’t going to fix the incredibly stupid move to make a dated TS4 game instead of an evergreen classic like Toy Story.

So now dealers are emailing me to say they have CEs available when before they were ‘sold out’.

I got the same emails....no thanks .... my guess is many distributors will be stuck with these games for a long while

Next question would be: When will the discounts begin??

I don’t get it. When these dealers say they sold out right away if they all got non refundable deposits day one? Do dealers not know how many CE’s they will be getting or you think that many people walked away with money on the table? Or is it just a hype thing from the dealer side?

Dialed In and Wonka are likely JJPs two best games.

They probably were sold out. The distributors knew their allocations just before sales went live.

My guess is it's people backing out of their spot losing their deposit.

I like both and would probably would have had DI a while ago if not for space. To bring in a new game a family favorite has to leave. If my wife isn’t on board we don’t bother with that discussion because I don’t want to piss her off which will happen if I sell a game see likes for one she doesn’t.

BTTF is a wild card. I have pseudo permission to buy it even if I don’t have a spot for it.

Whats so sad is this game could have been awesome but it feels like Pat took the most hated aspects of his past games and slapped them all on TS. Didnt like the lcd on DI. Heres an even bigger one. Didn't like the music on wonka. Here's more slot machine music and Clips with no audio again

Who really knows? All I know I was told by multiple distributors that they had a list 100+ long, and once everyone saw the $ and game people couldn't get out fast enough...my question is did the distributors see the game and pricing before they committed? If so then I don't feel bad for them....if not then its a JJP issue

I love JJP, (my very first pin was WOZ, I’ve owned a Hobbit, Wonka and DILE twice). I also love most Pat Lawlor games. I personally feel DI is an almost-masterpiece. I just don’t care for the cheesy callouts, animations and the tone. I absolutely love shooting that game. If I found the theme more compelling, it would be bolted down. That said, I still want to own one again!
Regarding Toy Story, I even like #4 a lot. But I just can’t get interested in this one, and I really wish Lawlor’s final pin was his magnum opus. His body of work is what we will remember. Bonkers vertical Banzai Run…early classics Earthshaker/Whirlwind…Rudy the ball swallower…back-to-back blockbusters -TAF and TZ…taking chances with Safe Cracker and Bud/Buzz…making fun pins in a slow era - Ripley’s, NASCAR, FG/Shrek (I love CSI) then AGAIN back-to-back hits after almost a decade away, DI/Wonka…Thanks, Pat!

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Nice

I hope you sell a ton - can’t say I see it on this product.

Look in marketplace, CE’s are routinely selling for a loss.

So 400$ to upgrade your powder coated rails to powder coated rails with ANDY lasercut into it. I'm in!

So the mod company's name is Eville pinball...like Evansville, IN? Like @zmeny's hometown? And this is exclusively sold by flipnout? Hmmm

What's a bit odd with that armor is that Andy really isn't in Toy Story 4, the movie is not about him at all.

TS4 is a theme and game for children that don't know what a good pinball is
or what at $12k to $15k pinball should be...

Just enough for every TS4 owner to get one.

Damn, tough crowd hahaha. Not my company. I love the armor and think it looks great. Hope they do a run of CE armor. Unlike many, I enjoy the game and have fun playing it. And I’m a sucker for making my machines look even better than when they came out of the box. Appreciate the feedback.

Can't wait to see what Eville comes up for No Fear.

To be honest this is the are you ‘in or out’ TS4 thread and most are out.

TS4 is a good pin but at $12/15k is a horrible pin because you can get almost any other pin for that much.

There’s another ad from a guy wants out of the CE at a $2k discount. I guess the dealer will just keep the deposit if nobody wants to pay the remainder, at that point if I already paid the deposit might as well buy it. But with Bond our next probably people want to get TS4 in the rear view mirror.

I don't think that's how this works, I am pretty sure the $2500 deposits went through to JJP directly.

If you paid your deposit and walk, your distro loses the profit he would have made off you.
If your distro paid your deposit and you walk, your distro loses $2500.

Don't screw your distros. Do the right thing and pay them, or sell your spot to someone else who will.

I just hope dealers are not getting hurt by this, maybe next time JJP will put in premium toys and code for it’s extra price. I don’t think collectors mind paying top tier price but they expect better execution. Theme, toys, code, etc. C62E977C-846D-435D-B29C-72840B735F93 (resized).jpeg

I beg to differ. Not only is Andy not a focal point in TS4 at all, this armor is practically a forged signature. A backwards "N" an Andy signature does not make. Just about every letter is off in some way, so you're slapping an overpriced and unauthentic mod on an already overpriced game that doesn't feature the subject character.

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Much appreciated.

Of course they are being hurt by this.

Best case: they missed out on the revenue they expected.
Worse case: they lost $2500 deposits from deadbeat buyers they covered themselves, as a favor.
Worst case: they lost $2500 deposits AND also have to buy the games they committed to on behalf of deadbeat buyers.

If you left your distributor hung out to dry, I think that is pretty crappy.
Don't expect them to come through for you on the next game you want.

Question on this .... so it's stated that the deposit are sent directly to JJP so is it safe to assume that the distributors aren't out any money at this point? The dist. are impacted when JJP comes to them advising the games are ready to ship so the dist has to pay up for the remaining balance IF they haven't found new buyer?

I don't see how a dist "lost $2500 deposit" as that was paid for by the original buyer?

Again, asking as I don't know the process, just assuming!

Some distros paid the deposit for customers they trusted who then ghosted them.

Why would distributors pay the deposit for someone else?

That is clearly a bad idea and hopefully they'll learn their lesson.