Quoted from ZMeny:

I really like the jump ramp. I’m not aware of many games if any with that mech. And mechs are great and all, but this is a mech that feels great. It doesn’t get old for me.

Quoted from jfh:

But when those are the main selling points on a $12k game, the overall rating has to be lower.

Quoted from snaroff:

Completely false and misguided. Rich, successful people are often tough critics. This idea that rich folk think everything is great is silly...really.

Quoted from iceman44:

No need to adjust it Zach.
Don’t let the dummies wear you down

Quoted from rai:

Toys and features should be a C
Theme C+ for me, because it’s the worst TS movie, do you like Forkey more than Zurg?
How cool would it have been to have Zurg rise up from the PF like the Iron Monger bash toy?
They could have done some cool code like pick a character T-Rex, Mr Potato Head, Buzz etc and had different starting modes or scoring like SW or Potc has.
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Quoted from jfh:

Get a No Good Gophers. Same idea, executed better and a far more satisfying shot when made. And it fits the theme better than Caboom.
The jump ramp is the best shot in TS4. Yes, the art is nice. Yes, the light show is nice. But when those are the main selling points on a $12k game, the overall rating has to be lower.

Quoted from ZMeny:

The category is Toys & Innovation. For me, a C+ isn’t a good rating. It’s not horrible. It’s not bad. It’s mixed.
When I compare this game’s mechs and innovation to other games, I come up with a C+. It’s the lowest grade I’ve given to a JJP game in this category.
I really like the jump ramp. I’m not aware of many games if any with that mech. And mechs are great and all, but this is a mech that feels great. It doesn’t get old for me.
The lighting of this game outperforms nearly that of any pinball machine ever made. So regardless, I’ve gotta give credit where it’s due.
Other things I like include dedicated animation on a second LCD screen. Plus, while I could leave it, the large playfield lcd screen is an industry first I believe (minus p3 playfield), and they coded a virtual pinball machine into it (with working pop bumpers feedback). Again, not my cup of tea, but as I try to be as fair as I can, it’s still innovative. Physical ball lock, mechanical kickback, incredible rgb integration, spinning wheel, pop up troll, opto spinners, large 27” display, another physical ball stop, yeah it certainly has enough to clear at least a C+ for me personally. But again, this is merely my analysis.

Quoted from ZMeny:

Yup similar to ngg, same designer, so yup makes sense. The difference for me is that Ngg ramp is an eye sore.
And we believe that rating games shouldn’t be contingent upon price. That’s a different argument. But, we do feel like pricing is an important topic to discuss, which we did.

Quoted from Freakyguy666:

The problem with your rating system is it never goes below a C…why not just make it 9 point scale? It would be far more accurate

Quoted from Freakyguy666:

Actually most of the super rich (9-figure plus net worths) who I know don’t really care about the price if it “looks good” and JJP’s games definitely look good…

Quoted from TheLaw:

I wish I could play GB and not light myself on fire.

Quoted from ZMeny:

I really like the jump ramp. I’m not aware of many games if any with that mech.

Quoted from Rarehero:

Revenge from Mars, Goldeneye, No Good Gofers.

Quoted from jeffgoldstein2:

Monday night football!

Quoted from zaphX:

That game is the greatest disappointment in pinball. I absolutely hate the way it shoots.

Quoted from TheLaw:

So fucking bad. Wonder why modern pins don't use low height bent metal for out/inlanes? Oh the balls just fucking jump over them. sweet design

Quoted from zaphX:

Sucks when a dream theme like Ghostbusters gets burned, too.

Quoted from snaroff:

I've been around plenty of 9-figure folks...they come in many different shapes and sizes. It's ridiculous to generalize. Pinsiders are a unique bunch. There are a lot of buyers that just want a game for a room and (as you say) just want eye candy. No doubt. *ALL* of JJP's games are eye candy...no argument whatsoever! What this group usually obsesses over is the GAME itself. Is it fun? Is it unique? Does it have longevity? I just picked up a GZ Premium and feel like I'll be playing that game for a very long time before I feel real comfortable with it. Tough game with some really unique and amazing shots/flow.

Quoted from TheLaw:

The "problem" is that these weirdos are the lucky type that just love everything pinball.
I was at this car show the other week and the DJ was playing all this old timey music "Dead Man's Curve" and shit like that. How lucky it would be to actually love that music; there's like a never ending supply of it and it's all the fucking same and you could listen to it all day and be happy.
Anyway, they're memorized by all things pinball like my kittens are with a laser pointer. It's weird, but lucky them. I wish I could play GB and not light myself on fire.

Quoted from TheLaw:

I kept playing it expecting to like it more and it only made me unhappy. Quickest game I ever sold.

Quoted from TheLaw:

The "problem" is that these weirdos are the lucky type that just love everything pinball.
I was at this car show the other week and the DJ was playing all this old timey music "Dead Man's Curve" and shit like that. How lucky it would be to actually love that music; there's like a never ending supply of it and it's all the fucking same and you could listen to it all day and be happy.
Anyway, they're memorized by all things pinball like my kittens are with a laser pointer. It's weird, but lucky them. I wish I could play GB and not light myself on fire.

Quoted from zaphX:

Sucks when a dream theme like Ghostbusters gets burned, too.

Quoted from Freakyguy666:

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Quoted from jdlang11:

Thanks right. That is your review on the game. Either we agree or not. I enjoyed the hour long review and the work that went into it. I just got my Godzilla from you and I chose that over Toy Story. It could have been the other way around.
But anyone can go on YouTube create an account and make a review. Then link your review to a new forum topic. If not then move on and quit complaining about SDTM.
Zach and Greg please keep the reviews coming.

Quoted from TheLaw:

Well that's a whole 'nother question; Does the price have any affect on a mechs rating?
I wouldn't say it does but I'm sure others would.

Quoted from ZMeny:

The category is Toys & Innovation. For me, a C+ isn’t a good rating. It’s not horrible. It’s not bad. It’s mixed.
When I compare this game’s mechs and innovation to other games, I come up with a C+. It’s the lowest grade I’ve given to a JJP game in this category.
I really like the jump ramp. I’m not aware of many games if any with that mech. And mechs are great and all, but this is a mech that feels great. It doesn’t get old for me.
The lighting of this game outperforms nearly that of any pinball machine ever made. So regardless, I’ve gotta give credit where it’s due.
Other things I like include dedicated animation on a second LCD screen. Plus, while I could leave it, the large playfield lcd screen is an industry first I believe (minus p3 playfield), and they coded a virtual pinball machine into it (with working pop bumpers feedback). Again, not my cup of tea, but as I try to be as fair as I can, it’s still innovative. Physical ball lock, mechanical kickback, incredible rgb integration, spinning wheel, pop up troll, opto spinners, large 27” display, another physical ball stop, yeah it certainly has enough to clear at least a C+ for me personally. But again, this is merely my analysis.

Quoted from iceman44:

It’s entertainment Freaky.
If you can’t figure out what you like then you are dumber than a brick.
Not saying you. Lol

Quoted from zaphX:

Mine was RM and I was accused of buying it to flip it. Nope, it was a huge disappointment due to paper-thin code.

Quoted from Rarehero:

Stop lying, please. R&M has great code, tons of modes, and just got an update with a bunch of new dimensions. R&M’s code, rules, sound & theme integration run circles around TSBore.

Quoted from Freakyguy666:

I’m not generalizing…I stated a fact…

Quoted from zaphX:

I'm serious. It was a dream theme for me. The code was not structured well; you see everything if you play it for an hour.

Quoted from Rarehero:

Stop lying, please. R&M has great code, tons of modes, and just got an update with a bunch of new dimensions. R&M’s code, rules, sound & theme integration run circles around TSBore.

Quoted from zaphX:

I'm serious. It was a dream theme for me. The code was not structured well; you see everything if you play it for an hour.

Quoted from rai:

I agree that they wanted to take the flippers profit but they misunderstood that in doing so they ended up squashing all FOMO and any potential for owners to break even. I fully expect these to change hands under $10K, where they’re still more cost than CGC and Stern premiums.
Also, I understand they went big on the price but they should have backed it up with a tour de force of best rules and toys. If it had been like TBL or Potc with toys and BM66 on rules most likely it would have been better received. But they get lots of so-so reviews saying it’s fine but… nothing stands out except it’s price.
If they want a basic game, charge like $8-9-10K fine.

Quoted from ZMeny:

The category is Toys & Innovation. For me, a C+ isn’t a good rating. It’s not horrible. It’s not bad. It’s mixed.
When I compare this game’s mechs and innovation to other games, I come up with a C+. It’s the lowest grade I’ve given to a JJP game in this category.
I really like the jump ramp. I’m not aware of many games if any with that mech. And mechs are great and all, but this is a mech that feels great. It doesn’t get old for me.
The lighting of this game outperforms nearly that of any pinball machine ever made. So regardless, I’ve gotta give credit where it’s due.
Other things I like include dedicated animation on a second LCD screen. Plus, while I could leave it, the large playfield lcd screen is an industry first I believe (minus p3 playfield), and they coded a virtual pinball machine into it (with working pop bumpers feedback). Again, not my cup of tea, but as I try to be as fair as I can, it’s still innovative. Physical ball lock, mechanical kickback, incredible rgb integration, spinning wheel, pop up troll, opto spinners, large 27” display, another physical ball stop, yeah it certainly has enough to clear at least a C+ for me personally. But again, this is merely my analysis.

Quoted from snaroff:

hmm...a fact about your 9-figure friends purchasing habits? Why mention their net worth if you weren't generalizing? Here is the definition, fyi...
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/generalizing

Quoted from Rarehero:

Have fun seeing all of TSBore on the first play, Liar McLiarson.
Most people don’t see past a mode or two per game on R&M due to the difficulty….and like any game, difficulty can be adjusted thru physical settings or code.
Super weird that you pick on R&M’s code. It has more mode content than most games. Did you sell it before Scary Terry, Rick Potion No 9, and Moonmen were added? The multiballs are extremely difficult as well. The game is a constant fun challenge. But hey, you got $15k Bo Peep Loops to look forward to!

Quoted from Rarehero:

Have fun seeing all of TSBore on the first play, Liar McLiarson.
Most people don’t see past a mode or two per game on R&M due to the difficulty….and like any game, difficulty can be adjusted thru physical settings or code.
Super weird that you pick on R&M’s code. It has more mode content than most games. Did you sell it before Scary Terry, Rick Potion No 9, and Moonmen were added? The multiballs are extremely difficult as well. The game is a constant fun challenge. But hey, you got $15k Bo Peep Loops to look forward to!

Quoted from iceman44:

It’s entertainment Freaky.
If you can’t figure out what you like then you are dumber than a brick.
Not saying you. Lol

Quoted from Freakyguy666:

It’s not

Read the definition you yourself posted…I didn’t infer anything…I reported a fact…

Quoted from Rarehero:

But hey, you got $15k Bo Peep Loops to look forward to!

Quoted from snaroff:

You may be serious, but Greg is right The code rocks, sorry Derek. It's hilarious and wildly fun to shoot. The music and light show rock. Rick and Morty is Spooky's masterpiece (to date). I respect you might not like it, but the fact that you apparently love most of JJP's games and don't like Rick and Morty show we have insanely different taste in pinball games. Let me guess...you hate TRON?

Quoted from snaroff:

Let me guess...you hate TRON?

Quoted from cooked71:

I’m not sure why Zach continues to rate games since it’s impossible for him to be objective. Should just do game overviews/infomercials.

Quoted from snaroff:

So true...Zach and Greg are fun to watch, but I don't take the reviews very seriously. SINCE I KNOW WHAT I LIKE

Whatever...it really isn't that important! You reported a fact and didn't infer anything...there, I said it. Happy now?

Quoted from zaphX:

The problem wasn’t the number of modes. It was that all were randomized so you got them all just for playing with no incentive to reach.

Quoted from zaphX:

Of course not. Love Tron.

Quoted from Rarehero:

So you wanted it to be linear? That would be super boring. The incentive to reach was to play, get points, complete the mode, and advance to the next adventure. Getting to the 10th is the only way to play Rick Potion #9 - essentially the wizard mode. You’ve also got tons of dimensions which all have fun/funny gameplay effects & allow you to collect mega seeds - another fun goal. Plus Meseeks, plus Gromflomite MB. We don’t care that you don’t like the game - but it’s just a flat out lie & insult to Erik’s great work to call it “paper thin” and that you see everything in an hour. You’re telling me in 12,000 plays on Wonka, you haven’t seen everything? Your comparative logic is just baffling.

But but but you can see everything in 1 ball!

Quoted from adamsebas:

Have to admit it may look a bit bare toy wise etc but after watching the gameplay it looks really decent. It seems like a vast improvement over GNR which I think is a real stinker.

Quoted from pinballaddicted:

No pinball machine is a stinker. Only people are stinkers.

Quoted from Rarehero:

You’re telling me in 12,000 plays on Wonka, you haven’t seen everything? Your comparative logic is just baffling.

Quoted from Freakyguy666:

Assuming by “seen” you mean reach every Wizard mode, the answer is no. Reaching PI is one of the toughest achievements in recent pinball…

Quoted from rai:

I agree that they wanted to take the flippers profit but they misunderstood that in doing so they ended up squashing all FOMO and any potential for owners to break even. I fully expect these to change hands under $10K, where they’re still more cost than CGC and Stern premiums.
Also, I understand they went big on the price but they should have backed it up with a tour de force of best rules and toys. If it had been like TBL or Potc with toys and BM66 on rules most likely it would have been better received. But they get lots of so-so reviews saying it’s fine but… nothing stands out except it’s price.
If they want a basic game, charge like $8-9-10K fine.