Quoted from snaroff:

It's an award winning Randy Newman composition that fits perfectly with the movie it was written for.
Do I want to hear it while playing pinball? Not really.
Do I even want to hear it outside the scope of seeing the movie? Nope, but "rip their ears off?"...

Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:

1 month later and the TS4 I installed at the company office is doing well. Since getting all the kinks worked out, we have only had one stuck ball this month requiring the glass to be moved.
I am still not personally a huge fan of this game, but the casuals in the company office are gravitating towards it and there are around 200 plays on the machine so far.
Is it the greatest most awesome pinball machine to a pinball fanatic? No.
However, it is an easily approachable game that appeals to people that don't know where to find the start button.
I am of the opinion that Stern would be well served by making a pin like this every 3 years or so to have something that appeals to casuals on location. I do not think this machine would last long in a basement lineup though, which is everyone's bread and butter. But without some easily approachable pins it is very hard to grow the hobby.

Quoted from ripit:

Well I would say Toy Story is a pretty turd. I have mine for sale for 10900.I am sure you all have noticed and still for sale. After TS4 i really appreciate my DI. I think this will change the market.

Quoted from ripit:

Well I would say Toy Story is a pretty turd. I have mine for sale for 10900.

Quoted from yancy:

Shh, never tell the truth! "This is my favorite game of all time but I have a Queen coming and need the space, can always buy a Toy Story back later."

Quoted from Dr-pin:

kids and non pinheads into pinball, that is awesome.
But.....

Quoted from ripit:

Well I would say Toy Story is a pretty turd. I have mine for sale for 10900.I am sure you all have noticed and still for sale. After TS4 i really appreciate my DI. I think this will change the market.

Quoted from TrekTobbyGermany:

Yes, that's it. The first machines came with a thick metal protector.

Quoted from TrekTobbyGermany:

If a Sim card is lit, you can take the risk and try to collect it or start a Multiball and collect your Sim cards there.

Quoted from ryank11379:

I just played it on loud for my nine year old and he asked me to turn it off no less than seven times.

Quoted from ripit:

Well I would say Toy Story is a pretty turd. I have mine for sale for 10900.I am sure you all have noticed and still for sale. After TS4 i really appreciate my DI. I think this will change the market.

Quoted from snaroff:

Really appreciate honesty from an owner. So many owners put their head in the sand and make excuses for a game. Sure, it's great to have an "approachable" game for novices (like some of said), however there are many good/solid games that both novices and pinheads enjoy (and this ain't it).

Quoted from zaphX:

We all saw the Guns CEs going for 20K on the open market, raising the price is a natural response to that.

Quoted from Betelgeuse:

So many people suddenly need to make room for some other game or have an unexpected financial crisis. Of course, selling any of the 10+ other games that they own is out of the question.

Quoted from PtownPin:

He doesn't own any games...

Quoted from Lermods:

I thought the sim shot was supposed to be like the camera shot in TZ, but clearly it’s not. Lawlor games don’t typically have difficult shots. As for why TS is fun, for me it is because the rules are easy to understand, the call outs are very clear on what to hit, the tablet shows you very clearly how many shots are left in a mode and the sounds, lights and video are well integrated. It’s a nice change from games like AIQ and others where there is a 25 page rule sheet and you need a cheat sheet next to you to know what to do. As for satisfying shots, it’s more about the flow of the game, it’s very smooth, which is typical of most lawlor games. Scared stiff and TAf are great games, but do they have satisfying shots? Are they hard? No on both, they are both just well integrated overall and that’s what TS offers.

Quoted from romulusx:

Jimwett doesn't own any games? That's so sad jimmy maybe we should take a collection and buy jimmy a John popadick pirates of the Caribbean so he doesn't hate so much?

Quoted from JohnTTwo:

How often can you hit the three way combo on TAF?
I ve done it like 3 times in my life.

Quoted from TheLaw:

The first games came with nothing, and it's still a bad shot.

Yeah that's the standard approach, and it works really well expect you have to collect 8 Sim cards. You can go in the menu and look at how many sim card shots you get per game; spoilers the average is well under 8 & that's all shots
I find the people that defend the shot usually have changed to hold over balls; but I just cant do it. I should try taking a rubber off but I've been saying that for over a year now

Quoted from PtownPin:

He claims he owns games, but who really knows. He's definitely a JJP hater thats for sure. Personally I dont hate any of these companies, and most of the modern games are fun in their own right including TS4. That being said I'll never purchase another NIB JJP pin due to their shitty warranties. I was always supportive of paying a premium for JJP (I've bought 6 NIB JJP games), but that came with the assumption they would provide a solid warranty. Not only has JJP pricing got out of whack they changed their warranty support.

Quoted from snaroff:

Really appreciate honesty from an owner. So many owners put their head in the sand and make excuses for a game. Sure, it's great to have an "approachable" game for novices (like some of said), however there are many good/solid games that both novices and pinheads enjoy (and this ain't it).
Considering how much I was looking forward to this game, it's mind blowing that I'm not rushing to buy your game (since I'm local). If I have more space, I might give it a whirl, however I like my current lineup too much and GZ Premium just landed today...

Quoted from JohnTTwo:

How often can you hit the three way combo on TAF?
I ve done it like 3 times in my life.

Quoted from TheLaw:

The first games came with nothing, and it's still a bad shot.

Yeah that's the standard approach, and it works really well expect you have to collect 8 Sim cards. You can go in the menu and look at how many sim card shots you get per game; spoilers the average is well under 8 & that's all shots
I find the people that defend the shot usually have changed to hold over balls; but I just cant do it. I should try taking a rubber off but I've been saying that for over a year now

Quoted from snaroff:

Really appreciate honesty from an owner. So many owners put their head in the sand and make excuses for a game. Sure, it's great to have an "approachable" game for novices (like some of said), however there are many good/solid games that both novices and pinheads enjoy (and this ain't it).
Considering how much I was looking forward to this game, it's mind blowing that I'm not rushing to buy your game (since I'm local). If I have more space, I might give it a whirl, however I like my current lineup too much and GZ Premium just landed today...

Quoted from zaphX:

I wouldn't say arrogance as much as miscalculation.
We all saw the Guns CEs going for 20K on the open market, raising the price is a natural response to that.
I would argue though that Guns blew everyone away.

Quoted from romulusx:

Lol

You should just buy an Ultraman!
Oh wait you did ooops

Quoted from romulusx:

I remember the fanboys for Stern were trying to defend the ugliness that was Led Zep ( my favorite band) So this bullshit goes on all the time.The big difference is I got over arguing my point in about a week and a half but JJP haters are still going on and on about TS Fuck it move on

Quoted from PtownPin:

This is true, but there were only 500 CE's versus 1000 TS's and the price was $12.5K and not $15K .... the overall GNR CE package (+ extra mech) was far superior to TS, which basically has a shitty topper, glitter play field, and red powder coating (looks like the same as Wonka ?)

Quoted from Roostking:

Umm lol. Dialed in is the best JJP by far. Hall

Why don't you go to the owner's thread this is the general commentary thread about Toy Story 4. If you want roses and lollipops go elsewhere. Of course you've been told to do that before but you'd rather sit here and cry about JJP and how bad-ass they are, even though they're not.

Quoted from iceman44:

The color choice of red powder coating on the CE was a big miss. Come on. After Wonka.
The run from 500 to 1,000 is huge. Stern included.
I’m giving the TS4CE to one daughter of mine after I play it for a while.
Middle daughter is a big STH fan so she’s gonna get that one.
Youngest one likes NBAFB! Still in school though and I can’t give that one up.

Quoted from Roostking:

Umm lol. Dialed in is the best JJP by far. Hall

Why don't you go to the owner's thread this is the general commentary thread about Toy Story 4. If you want roses and lollipops go elsewhere. Of course you've been told to do that before but you'd rather sit here and cry about JJP and how bad-ass they are, even though they're not.

Quoted from iceman44:

The color choice of red powder coating on the CE was a big miss. Come on. After Wonka.
The run from 500 to 1,000 is huge. Stern included.
I’m giving the TS4CE to one daughter of mine after I play it for a while.
Middle daughter is a big STH fan so she’s gonna get that one.
Youngest one likes NBAFB! Still in school though and I can’t give that one up.

Quoted from Freakyguy666:

It’s a CHROME red…not flat red like Wonka.

Quoted from romulusx:

I remember the fanboys for Stern were trying to defend the ugliness that was Led Zep ( my favorite band) So this bullshit goes on all the time.The big difference is I got over arguing my point in about a week and a half but JJP haters are still going on and on about TS Fuck it move on

Quoted from Freakyguy666:

It’s a CHROME red…not flat red like Wonka.

Quoted from iceman44:

It’s a beauty. Just looking for something different. Is Wonka flat?

Quoted from Freakyguy666:

Ya Wonka CE Red is shiny “Candy Red”…I prefer the sparkles that are embedded in the wonka Sparkle Blue LE (my personal favorite in the Wonka line).
The Chrome Red in TS4 should be next level…

Quoted from PtownPin:

Ahhh... makes sense...now I get why they had to charge $15K

Quoted from Freakyguy666:

Incorrect…but it does look great…

Quoted from JSC:

Feels more like an 8K pin at most, even then compares poorly to cactus canyon.

Quoted from Lermods:

I thought the sim shot was supposed to be like the camera shot in TZ, but clearly it’s not. Lawlor games don’t typically have difficult shots. As for why TS is fun, for me it is because the rules are easy to understand, the call outs are very clear on what to hit, the tablet shows you very clearly how many shots are left in a mode and the sounds, lights and video are well integrated. It’s a nice change from games like AIQ and others where there is a 25 page rule sheet and you need a cheat sheet next to you to know what to do. As for satisfying shots, it’s more about the flow of the game, it’s very smooth, which is typical of most lawlor games. Scared stiff and TAf are great games, but do they have satisfying shots? Are they hard? No on both, they are both just well integrated overall and that’s what TS offers.

Quoted from rai:

Cactus Canyon by a mile.

Quoted from TrekTobbyGermany:

Okay, I get it. Don't know much about TZ. But NGG and DI are untypical Lawlor Pins because they have difficult shots (okay, it's just one difficult shot I think...). ...

Quoted from TheLaw:

They are pretty typical PL layouts. Upper flipper with 2 shots just like everything else. DI is a little diff'rent with the ramp placements.
As been said a million times the Sim Card shot sucks because it's poorly designed. It's not a tough shot at all, it's that the flipper can't be set up correctly. Powerful enough to make the side ramp and the shot bounces past the hole and back, weakened enough to make the shot easily then you can't make the ramp.
This isn't the Gem shot that is difficult but can be learned, it's the design of it.
EDIT: Even great people make mistakes. The clock in TZ is a completely shitty design for example.

Quoted from rai:

Cactus Canyon by a mile.

Quoted from snaroff:

I feel your pain...Led Zeppelin (the band) also one of my favorites. I am heavily weighted in Rock and Roll pins, but had to pass on LZ. Owned Aerosmith for about a year...not a keeper for me, but liked it much more than Led Zeppelin.
Don't know if you've seen this, but it rocks...Beth Hart's Led Zeppelin covers are the real deal.

Quoted from Roostking:

Why don't you go to the owner's thread this is the general commentary thread about Toy Story 4. If you want roses and lollipops go elsewhere. Of course you've been told to do that before but you'd rather sit here and cry about JJP and how bad-ass they are, even though they're not.

Quoted from jimwe5t:

Lolololo, right on RoastKing! Rummy (romulusx) is the head of JJP cheerleaders everywhere. He’s been completely brainwashed by JJP into a hypnotic state beyond imagine. JJP is his very DNA for some crazy reason. JJP sunshine and lollipops is his only reason for existence here on Pinside or life in general, lol. Sad way to live. He makes excuses and apologies for all the missteps JJP makes. The only explanation that makes sense is, this has to be Jack himself posing as rummy on a relentless mission to build his company he once owned and defending it at every turn. It’s bizarre Rummy, totally bizarre, you obsession.