It's located in NY and he just posted this. I think Kaneda got kicked off Pinside or something so it's probably someone else's account.

I could be wrong though. The timing just seems like it.

So....will the "Toy Story is a huge success, and a big win for Pat and JJP" people finally admit they are wrong?

Weeks after release, you can easily find multiple Toy Story CE's for MSRP or less on the market. And that's without even looking that hard, or calling around to Distros.

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And there are multiple LEs listed for below MSRP as well, including ones ready to ship.

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Just admit it people, TS4 is nowhere near the hit GNR was. And in a lot of ways is a miss. If you personally like or love it, then great, enjoy it and be happy with your $12k to $15k purchase. But clearly the market-at-large doesn't feel the value is there at JJP's suggested MSRP, so let's not pretend that TS4 is something that it's not.

P.S. I'm sure it's earning reasonably well on location. But that is about the only bright spot here.

It’s gotta earn at least 2x though just sayin - I myself will be putting my $$ in an on location machine and looking forward to it

There's another seller asking $14k on the market, so they could just be trying to match the lowest prices listed.
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/139957

Hey I’ll admit it. They F Ed up on the pricing.

Went from 500 to 1,000 and raised the price.

A big mistake. The market at that level is weak.

FOMO gone at JJP, Spooky and Stern LEs coming.

Rush LEs are plentiful!

Not so sure comparing GnR to TS4 is fair. GnR had crazy hype and has since kinda faded especially on gameplay. I know many collectors that have one and moved on pretty quick. There's plenty GnR available at $9500 and $11k new. If TS4 was $11k new and selling used at $9500, this would be a very different conversation. I dont love TS4, but its fun and seems on the surface a pretty easy shooter. But it needs more code, and with more objectives and modes might sneak into more homes..

GNR is a great pin experience.

Try picking up a CE at discount. Not happening.

It’s also gorgeous

500 at $12,500? You got something.

The “LE” is not an LE. Period

Totally disagree....GNR was released at $9.5K, which is probably where 90% of the sales took place so the reality is its holding value very well. My guess is JJP sold very few GNR LE's at $11K....GNR CE's are still way above MSRP

I agree that GnR is gorgeous, and i have no interest in a CE, i think the LE is by far the best version and price point. I love GnR as a band, but not this version of it. Every time I consider snagging one I end up with something else..

Agree and disagree... the hype surrounding GnRs release was absolute insanity. GnR at $11k is another pricing mistake for JJP, and then they doubled down on TS4 at $12k. There are plenty of pins from all the major manufacturers that have similar or better success.

Agree with a code update could push demand for the game. See Wonka CE for example. Most know they could easily get picked up at local distro….
I think after the last big code dump it polished off the code and improved it by a big margin.

That is what I’ve gathered from folks on different platforms as I do not own a CE.

Can TS4 CE have the same outcome?? I agree it’s tough with 1,000 units

Nonsense, couple of reasons but it’s to late here to explain it to you.

You are missing out. In a home environment with upgraded Pinwoofer speakers.

And JJP sold a ton of GNR. Biggest seller exceeding WOZ. They thought TS4 would top it. Misguided

Its heaven.

Pinwoofer take Aerosmith to another level. Every pin really. Have em nearly all

That’s true too. Glad to have picked up a Wonka CE on close out.

It might take a few years to have market absorb TS4

I'm not sure what your point is? If your point is JJP pricing structure is misguided than I agree.

My guess is distributors will be sitting on CE's for years. I wonder if distributors got wind of JJP's pricing structure prior to purchase?

I am sure you are right.. but with this.. I feel like I'm not missing out...

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My point is YES GnR sold a bunch at $9500.. and YES JJPs pricing is misguided... AND GnR is not anymore successful than many other pins...

I have a BIB with the same setup....its a fun game and my favorite band, but GNR is on a whole different level

I'm sure your correct as Stern as put out some really nice games recently (DP, JP, GZ to name a few)

I found GnR floaty and slow. My ACDC is in your face.. but I won't say GnR is bad. It's a great pin, but would rather have my STh, DP, ACDC, and GZ.. Maybe some day I'll give GnR a chance. Hell.. maybe I'll have GnR and TS4 together.

100%

Paul M’s song is the only decent one in the whole bunch and a cover at that. But after playing it for the 50th time, its a snooze fest. People are now realizing the shots are lame and slow as an old dog. You should have discovered this by now Dougy.

GNR owners will defend a game that should have cost no more than a Pro. Sorry owners a $10 greatest hits GNR CD with a thousand string $20 LED light kit, nearly fulfills the same GNR JJP dog and pony show. Throw in a steel ball to toss around and wala, you have GNR for $32 dollars, not crazy priced at $12k +. Lol JJP games sucker priced as the most expensive mirages in all of pinball. Only WOZ was value packed at $6500. TS4 pricing is a whole level on its own of stupidity and greed. TS4 NIB will be around for many years to come, till distributors get tired of cleaning all the dust off the boxes and off load them at big discounts.

(Forgot, we need to throw into the package another half dozen pinballs to simulate Multiball after multiball like the $12K plus game does to be fair. So add another $12 to the $32.)

Upgrading the sound system of any machine is a must! Soooo much better!

Nah....I guess its easy to throw stones when u don't own any games

Oh I own plenty of games, even JJP.

Oh...typically people who dont show their collection dont own many machines and just like to throw stones. I own many games from multiple manufacturers and I find most are fun...some better than others depending on my mood. I can't say I've ever played or owned a modern game that wasn't fun in some way.

Ok we admit it is a total failure !
Now do you feel better?

You are. Trust me.

I’ve owned a lot of pins. Still do.

AC/DC included. Sold it. Will get it back.

GNR is the best fun rock out pinball experience ever

If you want to be a tournament player then go with with some other Lyman or Elwin ruleset.

Have plenty of those.

Nothing like GNR, with all the band assets, light show etc. period

Man I could not wait for drains to ball with G and R. It is a belay game and for me it ends there. To each their own.

Not a lot of credibility considering you bought Halloween

This is too funny and the reason I don’t list my games,

Well if I had one game and it was Halloween I wouldn't list it either

Half GnRs songs kinda suck. Appetite and Lies i enjoyed.. by Illusion i was like where the F did GnR go? And I dont recognize the band now. How bout just use old music video clips? Instead we get carrot top on steriods. Great lights.. but its been said before, after the lights and art work.. whats really there? Multiball? Spinning disc?

Not surprised that TS4 seems lacking as it's kinda the same recipe of ... lights and being, but where's the "fun" stuff?

He thought he was gonna make bank flipping it. Thats Kaneda, a flipper at heart.

JJP sold a little under 5,000 GnR units total across all models. WOZ is still the number one all time selling JJP game at 7,500(ish) units.

Both WOZ and GnR are huge successes for JJP. TS4 will also be a big success given its higher price point. Jack recently said the next reveal should only be 9 months out. JJP never hits their release target dates…but TS4 shouldn’t need to be on the line for 20 months like GnR was…

Nor should it be..

Is it still even on the line?

With distributors stocked to the gills with TS4 units no one wants, it can’t be on the line still. Tooling up for the Dogfather is my guess…

Thats funny! They will probably build out LE's until CE parts arrive, and then move to the next title

When is the CE scheduled to go on the line?

There’s my buddy Jimmy West. Lol

Jimmy doesn’t put his games up publicly due to potential ridicule.

Yeah. Say what you want. Anybody.

GNR is a pinball experience masterpiece.

I have a GZLE. #1 pin. It’s a great shooting nerd out pin.

That’s is gone LONG before GNR.

Might be time for Jimmy and Ho’s to move on? I know Jimmy will never spit the bit. Epic JJP hate

I agree, most who wanted a CE would have easily got one on sale day 1. They were not hard to find, so if I didn’t want one then, I’m really not going to want one now at MSRP. It’ll be a huge discount for sure from the would be scalpers. The scalpers will get scalped on this pin. Non-refundable deposits indeed.

Genius move Rai. Lol

GnR LE starts off at 9500.Playfield issues took it to 10500.Then for some reason climbed further to 11500 before settling at 11000.Sales stopped and when the TS4SE was released it had a price tag of 12000.WTF are they thinking ? JJP is single handedly popping the (dare I say it ) bubble !!! I understand that manufactures don’t like leaving $ on the table but sometimes that extra $ keeps the wheel spinning .

Game is too easy for the average player and priced way too high for the casual buyer. I wonder how many people will just give up their deposits.

Well said. It's all about just playing and enjoying it.

Easy there Goose.. everyone gets to have their say... even if they don't agree with you.

That's your decision to let GZ go. GnR won't get any better. GZ is already #1, and still may get more code. GnR has been weighed, measured, and found wanting...