Crofton, MD
What pitch should the game be set to?.
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Toy Story 4 (CE)
Jersey Jack, 2022-
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This game will be around for a while in NIB form if anyone ever wants to grab one down the road , I am waiting to see what the next release before I would even consider it.. I can say if 12k is the new LE price than JJP lost a customer who bought 5 of their games previously. I will just stick with CGC and Stern.
Quoted from mtp78:This game will be around for a while in NIB form if anyone ever wants to grab one down the road , I am waiting to see what the next release before I would even consider it.. I can say if 12k is the new LE price than JJP lost a customer who bought 5 of their games previously. I will just stick with CGC and Stern.
Funny I'm in the same camp as u, and I told them that in the survey they sent out
Just got my TS$ delivered. I really like the game. I had played it before in a showroom, but with a dark environment the light show is spectacular. Not sure, other than the price, why people negatively critique this pin. All my visitors seem to immediately migrate to this pin and play it longer than my other seven pins. The ball flow is great and some shots are challenging. The fidelity to the movie is very good and although I am not into kiddie themes, both TS4 and WW are two of my best pins.
Quoted from mtp78:I will just stick with CGC and Stern.
*American Pinball enters the chatroom*
Quoted from AvidPinPlayer:Just got my TS$ delivered. I really like the game. I had played it before in a showroom, but with a dark environment the light show is spectacular. Not sure, other than the price, why people negatively critique this pin. All my visitors seem to immediately migrate to this pin and play it longer than my other seven pins. The ball flow is great and some shots are challenging. The fidelity to the movie is very good and although I am not into kiddie themes, both TS4 and WW are two of my best pins.
Because its easy, nothing to shoot, cute plastic figurines and long ball times. Also, 2 pinballs in 1 with the integrated knock off Ipad. Whats not to absolutely love?
Quoted from mtp78:This game will be around for a while in NIB form if anyone ever wants to grab one down the road , I am waiting to see what the next release before I would even consider it.. I can say if 12k is the new LE price than JJP lost a customer who bought 5 of their games previously. I will just stick with CGC and Stern.
I, like PtownPin have purchased many JJP's pins (7 NIB for me). I also completed the survey and mentioned how high and insane these prices are. Plus, at those prices, the quality needs to be "10". Along with top-notch customer service and taking care of customers. Step up and own it, if there's an issue (i.e. playfield chipping and pooling).
I have to totally agree. I was eagerly waiting for the release of Toy Story 4 even ready to pay a premium for a JJ pin. At these prices the game would have to blow me away which TS4 just didn't. So instead I'm now in line for a Godzilla Premium.
Quoted from AvidPinPlayer:I'm in ...
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Love the cake toppers, adds that little something extra, like an extra joke, to go along with this joke of a pin.
Quoted from Roostking:Love the cake toppers, adds that little something extra, like an extra joke, to go along with this joke of a pin.
I’m not sure I understand having a topper that repeats the game’s title with the wrong logo/font. Aesthetically unpleasant.
Quoted from JohnTTwo:I’m super happy the operator’s are killing it with TS4. It sure will help JJP sell out of TS4.
Going to take ALOT if plays to recoup $12,000. Probably wont happen
Quoted from Roostking:Going to take ALOT if plays to recoup $12,000. Probably wont happen
It doesn't have to. As they'll eventually sell it and the game ought to maintain some level of value.
In fact most locations near me get the limited run versions of games when they can because they maintain their value better. In most cases they've been able to sell their beat-up games after a few years of earning well at a busy location for a couple grand more than they paid for it.
I have a hard time believing a TS4 LE will grow in value, but I don't think it's going to drop more than a couple grand. As JJP will likely only make enough to fill demand from their distributors before they switch over to their next title.
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Quoted from Silvabullet:I have to totally agree. I was eagerly waiting for the release of Toy Story 4 even ready to pay a premium for a JJ pin. At these prices the game would have to blow me away which TS4 just didn't. So instead I'm now in line for a Godzilla Premium.
I did the same thing and i am glad i did ( i already have a GZ since last week )
Quoted from Rarehero:I’m not sure I understand having a topper that repeats the game’s title with the wrong logo/font. Aesthetically unpleasant.
Lol yeah that looks like it came off some chinese bootleg box of toys
Quoted from Mrawesome44:Gotta say what an absolute disaster this game has been. I remember calling distros trying to get on a CE list and being told their lists were hundreds deep. Now i see distros have plenty of LE's sitting and Ce's(not a lot though)are still available. I'm in on a CE but if i could move down to an LE i would. I think this will be the last nail in the nonrefundable deposit coffin
The LE model of any of their pins will never sell out. It is their base model that they make until the run is over and they are on to another pin. I do think they were foolish to not make the CEs first.
I believe the CEs have sold out just not through. So as far as JP is concerned they've sold all their CE's at 15K. Not too shabby. Honestly, I can't understand the fomo in people's heart to purchase CEs before playing the game. Is it really that bad to have to settle on the LE if they all sell out?
Quoted from iloveplywood:Honestly, I can't understand the fomo in people's heart to purchase CEs before playing the game. Is it really that bad to have to settle on the LE if they all sell out?
This is not about FOMO on the CE features but about FOMO to miss out on the next JJPPOTC CE Money Making Opportunity.
The idea is to snag a CE for $15k and re-sell it for $25k. That’s what’s driving the FOMO. Not the signed certificate of authenticity and the different artwork.
Quoted from explosiveegg:It doesn't have to. As they'll eventually sell it and the game ought to maintain some level of value.
In fact most locations near me get the limited run versions of games when they can because they maintain their value better. In most cases they've been able to sell their beat-up games after a few years of earning well at a busy location for a couple grand more than they paid for it.
I have a hard time believing a TS4 LE will grow in value, but I don't think it's going to drop more than a couple grand. As JJP will likely only make enough to fill demand from their distributors before they switch over to their next title.
You're saying the operator is selling a beat up routed LE for more than what they paid? I find that really hard to believe a routed Stern LE or JJP with thousands of games and in rough shape sells for more than what they paid
Quoted from PtownPin:You're saying the operator is selling a beat up routed LE for more than what they paid? I find that really hard to believe a routed Stern LE or JJP with thousands of games and in rough shape sells for more than what they paid
Take out the 'beat up' portion of your assertion and some titles yes, the title has appreciated enough to make even routed games worth more than purchase price.
The thing is an operator can't COUNT on that... but when it does happen, you analyze if the appreciation gain is worth more to you than the future earnings. Sometimes timing the market is really valuable.
It boils down to availability and demand for the title... just like every other sale.
Quoted from PtownPin:You're saying the operator is selling a beat up routed LE for more than what they paid? I find that really hard to believe a routed Stern LE or JJP with thousands of games and in rough shape sells for more than what they paid
Just look through the Pinside archive for routed games. You'll see a bunch of Stern LEs selling for a couple grand over Msrp.
Quoted from flynnibus:Take out the 'beat up' portion of your assertion and some titles yes, the title has appreciated enough to make even routed games worth more than purchase price.
The thing is an operator can't COUNT on that... but when it does happen, you analyze if the appreciation gain is worth more to you than the future earnings. Sometimes timing the market is really valuable.
It boils down to availability and demand for the title... just like every other sale.
I hear what you're saying, but thats not what he said in his comment as he used the words "beat up" ..... the current market is a bit of an anomaly so I can see a popular routed Stern LE in good shape selling for more, but I don't see a beat up version of the same game selling anywhere close to MSRP. Most buyers of these games value condition probably more than anything.
Quoted from sanctumwear:Karl is out.
I think Karl knew he was out before he unboxed it, just way too easy for him, especially in a small collection. I watched a stream where he eventually let the wizard mode MB drain out on purpose, twice in the same game. Seems like he was happy to run it through the collection and learn the rules, though.
Quoted from yancy:I think Karl knew he was out before he unboxed it, just way too easy for him, especially in a small collection. I watched a stream where he eventually let the wizard mode MB drain out on purpose, twice in the same game. Seems like he was happy to run it through the collection and learn the rules, though.
It says he played 12 full games is this pin that easy lol.
Quoted from Rarehero:I’m not sure I understand having a topper that repeats the game’s title with the wrong logo/font. Aesthetically unpleasant.
Thank you for your assessment.
Played it on location a few days ago, not impressed. Sure, I spent way to little money to actually understand the rules properly but it didn't give me that "just one more play" feeling at all. Didn't really like the extra screen on the playfield either, there already is a bigass screen in the backbox.
Yeah that guy Karl, watched a bunch of his streams with TS4.
I don’t ever want to be that good of a player. It would make every game get old fast. 
Quoted from jfh:Cost him $41 a game. :/
$200 lost on this one so far without any games played.
Quoted from sanctumwear:$200 lost on this one so far without any games played.
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/138066
That’s a change of tune, had wanted $200 premium a few weeks ago.
Quoted from rai:That’s a change of tune, had wanted $200 premium a few weeks ago.
Started off wanting a $1k profit 31 days ago.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/jjp-toy-story/page/105#post-7001216
Quoted from sanctumwear:Started off wanting a $1k profit 31 days ago.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/jjp-toy-story/page/105#post-7001216
Be interesting to see how many CE buyers drop out prior to ponying up $14K
Quoted from PtownPin:Be interesting to see how many CE buyers drop out prior to ponying up $14K
I've seen the deposits cost anywhere from $200-$3500. This seller is willing to lose $1k to get out.
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/139064
Quoted from sanctumwear:I've seen the deposits cost anywhere from $200-$3500. This seller is willing to lose $1k to get out.
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/139064
I'm fairly certain that is just Kaneda's.
That guy just like to cause drama. I'm pretty sure he said he'd never buy one after it's reveal, yet he somehow ended up with a CE pre order.
Quoted from explosiveegg:I'm fairly certain that is just Kaneda's.
That guy just like to cause drama. I'm pretty sure he said he'd never buy one after it's reveal, yet he somehow ended up with a CE pre order.
He was on the list months before the reveal, because he thought it was going to be Toy Story, not TS4.
Quoted from Rarehero:He was on the list months before the reveal, because he thought it was going to be Toy Story, not TS4.
Yes, but he's been complaining ever since it's reveal. It is just odd that he ended up putting down a deposit after all the hate he had for it.
Nobody was accepting deposits until after it was reveal.
Quoted from explosiveegg:Yes, but he's been complaining ever since it's reveal. It is just odd that he ended up putting down a deposit. Nobody was accepting deposits before the reveal.
Well, his distributor wanted a deposit to get locked in. Oh well!
Of course he's complaining...he thought it was going to be actual Toy Story and Lawlor's best ever...but it turned out to be "Carnival with Toy Story 4 assets sort of" with nothing cool on the playfield.
Quoted from Rarehero:Well, his distributor wanted a deposit to get locked in. Oh well!
Of course he's complaining...he thought it was going to be actual Toy Story and Lawlor's best ever...but it turned out to be "Carnival with Toy Story 4 assets sort of" with nothing cool on the playfield.
I've never heard of any distributor that requires a non-refundable deposit before the game is revealed.
I personally don't believe that is what happened. If it did, that is an awful practice.
Quoted from explosiveegg:I've never heard of any distributor that requires a non-refundable deposit before the game is revealed.
I personally don't believe that is what happened. If it did, that is an awful practice.
Quoted from explosiveegg:Nobody was accepting deposits until after it was reveal.
office.gifQuoted from explosiveegg:I'm fairly certain that is just Kaneda's.
The seller has been trying to sell the spot since June 13th, they were originally trying to get a $2500 profit.
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/archive/137266
Quoted from sanctumwear:The seller has been trying to sell the spot since June 13th, they originally were trying to get a $2500 profit.
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/archive/137266
People should have followed my lead and not be greedy. Thankfully worked out for me, but I’d suspect it would be a little difficult to get rid of your spot now.
Too many available slots from distros. Why get it from another buyer when you can go directly to the distro of your choice?
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