The distributors can lower it to sell them. They just can't advertise lower than a certain number provided by JJP.

At least 9500, however gnr is hovering around 8500 so who knows.

Wow...I never knew this. I always thought they were contracted to sell for at least MSRP.

I just learned this too. There is MSRP and then a min advertised price. This is why since the recent Stern price increase you see some machines at $9699 (MSRP) and some $9499 (min advertised).

Price on TS4 will continues to drop, since there are virtually few buyers in the market place wanting in reality, a carnival themed toy-less machine. Should be able to pick one up between $7500 and $8500 as time goes by. The fact that JJP has on the line now machine #8, so soon after selling TS4 for such a short time, is proof sales are bad with prices tanking.

I wonder if they stuck with the old pricing if they would have sold out of both variants. I probably would have picked up a CE at 12500.

Shameless plug here but I have a nib Bond available for 9g.

well that deescalated quickly

DI I think is still under GNR, so there's a good track record.

GNR is 1k down and DI is around 1500 down?

I know you said you don’t want to bash JJP or Toy Story 4 but that’s exactly what this thread is going to turn into lol.

Not even dealing with all of the usual Toy Story 4 haters this time and just draining the thread. They are coming, waste of time. Get ready for at least one of them to say the game is garbage and is worth half the price lol.

Also, Toy Story 4 is awesome Most played game at my last two pinball parties. CE is amazing. With that being said I traded a heavily modded Ghostbusters premium (no topper) for a NIB CE, I value both right around $13k so seemed fair.

Take a deep breath panzer. Gooooozfrabbaaaa.

Guns n Roses LE from $11k new is now on average $2500 down ($1k down if bought at $9500 new). Used Dialed In LE’s are hovering around the same price, maybe more soon than GNR. Dialed In LE was $9k new so there’s that…

Why the big drop in GNR resale? Code, JJP needs to desperately add much more code to GNR and yet there hasn’t been a single public code update for the game in over a year. I own both and find Toy Story 4 to have the deeper, more enjoyable, and more objective based ruleset at the moment.

okay...

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Having trouble finding the drain button?

DI SE been 1500 down for a long time unless they are rising as off late?

Saw a home use only GNR LE with mods for $7999, so it will be heading that direction

And yes- I own Toy Story, my kids really enjoy it

You have MSRP - Suggested Price. MAP - Minimum Advertised Price. Then you have RWP - REAL WORLD PRICE. Which is shit when you try to place a video game in a pinball machine. I’ll never understand Lawlor’s recent fascination with LCD screens on the playfield. WE WANT PHYSICAL SHIT NOT VIRTUAL SHIT. Thank you very much

One thing that may keep TS4 up is that it will be a relatively small run (especially compared to GNR).

I have also heard that it does well on location.

IMO - we are probably already near the bottom. I think it stays in the same price range as Wonka... and perhaps even a bit above (since it will be a smaller run and more recognizable theme).

The price will go as low it takes to get them sold. Now the real question is how much of a hair cut on price 1k 2500,3k.etc or half price. Is it a theme issue? Just for younger people that have kids of there own where the price has cut out the buyers. Maybe in 10 years still may be new in box still sitting just waiting.

Well I think you’re in luck!

Here in Europe, toy story ce price is around €18.600,- / le €14.600,- (19% vat included). Both versions are in stock at the big retailers.

Haven’t seen big discounts on new pinball machines in the past, can’t imagine that this will happen with ts4. No idea how many came overseas, but not a lot are comming for sale on the secondairy market.

Would love to have one in my collection, hope for a ce for around €14.000,-. Who knows maybe that is possible afteral

So are you now interested picking one up at the lower prices on the secondary market?

The dollar has gotten so weak with all the stimulus money bs. Parts and labor went up. 4 pinball manufacturers in the Illinois. Good assembly line workers are making a good wage now I bet.

I second that brother. I love my Toy Story 4 CE and not ashamed to admit it!

What do you mean by toy-less?

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Obviously it has toys but for $12K-15K people were expecting more or something unique.

You are like the Beetleguise of Toy Story 4. Do you have an alert set to notify you immediately when there is a Toy Story 4 mention on Pinside?

Hey now. No need to drag me into this.

the game is garbage and is worth half the price, lol.

I finally played this shit box of a pin. I had no idea it would be this bad.

Buy anything for $1500 before this clunker. The price on this will plummet, and yes I own Halloween...

Oh come on. It may not be the best machine out there but $1500? I actually think it’s a ton of fun. I think it would have sold really well if it was priced more in line with Stern premiums.

I‘m holding out for the standard edition without the tablet and without all the unnecessary leds.

$9400. Is this the lowest price so far? https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-toy-story-4-le-28

Nope. Sorry this is a shit show of epic proportions and cannot be saved. What a bait and switch
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JJP: we got Toy Story coming!!

Us: this aint the Toy Story we expected.

Since I'm looking for a LE NIB: The lowest prices I can find online for NIB are $12,000.

Since the distributor or dealer makes the selling price: Do you recommend to call a few and see what they offer?

It's my first NIB so I need some help here.

Get on the horn or walk into a dealer if you have one close.

Seen 10700 nib

Where? I haven’t seen anything near that.

Call Automated and make them an offer.
I think you have a shot. They’re just collecting dust.

My kids want one, and I played one at pintastic and felt it was just okay. Not a bad game, but two things happened.

One, JJP got real greedy. $12000 greedy, up $2000 from GNR was the biggest slap in the face to the consumers. Some guy with a big wallet wasn’t the only one that saved JJP, it was the collector market too.
And two, Pat Lawlor. This was a large kick to the ego and balls to have this flop the way it did.
You were responsible for putting a magnetized “thing” hand that grabs a ball, and put more toys in a TZ than a kids toy chest and put not one, but TWO puppet heads on a playfield, and that was the best layout you could come up with for $12,000?

You had an actual license with a PUPPET HEAD as a main character!? Now was the time!

Shrug. I’ll wait for the price to keep dropping.

There is a long list of games that are much better and much cheaper than Toy Story.

One of my orders 5 years ago. Look at the price of the flipper coil. The line threw the price is what it costs now and the blue is what I paid 5 years ago. So yours and everyone else's greed agreement is not valid. Government keeps printing too much money and making it weak

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Have to agree, really terrible and barren.
There are twice as much game in a bksor pro.
This is a nice looking cash grab.
I would consider it costing 6k in new condition.

Btw hobbit is jjp best game.

No thanks. Would not purchase NIB at that price. As others have mentioned, shop/ call around and negotiate or wait and go lightly used second hand for much cheaper.

I guess my taste is way different from others on Pinside. I have owned the game 11 months and enjoy and play it often.

Recent titles that have been produced are of no interest to me. I might also chime in my JJP games get the vast majority of my play. If I'm called a JJP fanboy fine with me. The $12,000 price tag was too high but you only live once and now I have the JJP PL trifecta. Pretty much done buying games. I like what I own and own more pins than I need.

Btw, recently saw 2 ads for the new Godfather LE in my area. $9,999. with 22 plays. and $9,998. with about 75 plays. Yikes

Cheers

Code, a million multiballs and boring modes (I guess thats actually covered under the code part, but its separate from the fact it needs more stuff added), and crappy flippers. Bad playfield run didn't help either. I still want a GNR, I hope the price keeps dropping or stays low.

TS4 because its Toy story 4, and the game is perceived to be easy/kids game/not a lot in it so not many people want it. I know I found it incredibly boring when I played it.

Feel bad for distros because its gotta be hard to sell the plethora of GNR's and TS4's they have since why would anyone want to buy a new one when used ones are plentiful and cheap. Like the games or not, theres plenty of owners ready to move on from them for (by todays standards) huge losses.