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Tournament play... A question of ethics

By RGR

11 years ago


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    “Tournament play... A question of ethics”

    • Cheat sheets/ strategy cards are fine 35 votes
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    • Hell no, part of the skill is having a good memory 3 votes
      4%
    • Its ok as long as everyone has access to it 12 votes
      17%
    • Its only fine in between games/balls 21 votes
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    #1 11 years ago

    Your playing in an event either at a home game, PAPA, Pinburgh, IFPA etc etc. The game of choice is ACDC and you are playing with 3 other people. One of the players has some "cheat sheets" which he places on either side of the game which cover the menu cards.. One sheet has the song associated with the tours and the other has the songs assoicated with the albums. When he finishes playing he takes the sheets/cards off the game.

    Is this unethical or against the rules to have strategy sheets or cards which help you learn the game whilst playing it in a tournament. I know there are applications that are allowed when playing online poker to help you and given that ACDC is so complicated I was wondering what anyone thought if this????

    #9 11 years ago

    What if those notes where given to a player that had never played the game before and followed the strategy given to them from an A grade player and went on to win Division D in Pinburgh???

    #13 11 years ago

    Yeah strategy cards that are on the game could be considered coaching during the game?? I understand that shots have to be made however you could have an A grade player who knows nothing about ACDC getting smashed by a B grade player who knows the strategy. Its one of those games where knowledge and strategy have a massive advantage...

    #17 11 years ago
    Quoted from jonnyo:

    Yeah, coaching and sharing info is encouraged.
    During the warmup at pinburgh last year myself and the other league players hit different banks of games and then reported back our findings via group text. "loose tilt on Transformers" "claw disabled on demoman." On games I didn't know at all, I would try to find one of the other league players who already played it and get some pointers. Twice that resulted in wins.

    Agreed but knowing the faults/ flipper angles/ skillshot settings on a game if different that memorizing a strategy namely which songs to line up with album and tour MBs to get the song jackpot...

    I agree theres nothing wrong with learning about a game prior or during an event.. Like theres TVs to watch etc but just not sure about having notes on the game itself while you are playing it.

    Down here we had the national ACDC championship and I was debating whether to have a set of notes on the game. I decided not to do it...

    #28 11 years ago

    I think ACDC is the only game that you may need a cheat sheet during the game since its so hard to remember which song to play depending on what album/ tour you are upto... Not sure that an mp3 player would be affective here...

    #31 11 years ago
    Quoted from phishrace:

    There's a couple of things wrong with that. First, because the game is going to be setup harder for a tournament, those cheat sheets aren't going to be useful very often. Short games, not many multiballs (where the cheat sheet might come in handy).
    Secondly, a good player doesn't need all that data. All a player has to remember is a couple of songs that are early in both the tours and albums. TNT and Whole Lotta Rosie are two. Album and/or Tour Multiball is ready and the jukebox is lit? Shoot the jukebox and switch to TNT or Rosie, start multiball. No cheat sheet needed. See for yourself:
    http://www.pinballreviews.com/acdc_songbonus.htm
    If someone does whip out a cheat sheet for AC/DC at Pinburgh, my initial impression would be that he/she is not a very good player. A good player does his homework before he gets there. Not during a game.

    Yeah agreed, given that the game will be set up so hard then it is unlikely that you would need to know the songs for the second round of album or tour, but it is possible for A graders to get more than one MB... Given that there are alot of song combinations only Robert Gagno could remember these

    #33 11 years ago
    Quoted from phishrace:

    That's why I listed two songs

    Sorry I meant more than one album or more than one tour...

    Yeah like the intention of the thread was about using cheat sheets when playing a game... Never seen it done but was wondering what people thought about it..

    #35 11 years ago

    lol why you surprised about a Danish pinball champ... The current IFPA world champ is Italian

    #37 11 years ago

    Yeah theres alot of talent out there that used to play pinball as well and have just stopped playing altogether as its not out there anymore... Home market is taking off but pinball aint talking off on location as much..

    #45 11 years ago

    bump

    #59 11 years ago

    Should the menu cards be pulled out during events like Pinburgh then??? I obvs dont think so but they too provide information about the game, however the question is how much info is too much info??? Heck for players that are not on this forum and who do not own an ACDC, hell there is no way that they would ever know about the song jackpot during multiball... If you were playing against them clearly you would have an advantage but knowing this strategy (which imo should be included in the status)...

    I think to solve this problem, the status should update to inform you what song needs to be played to award the need song jackpot during album and tour MB. If a player fails to check that then thats their problem.

    #65 11 years ago

    Yeah I agree that cheat sheets should not be used during the game play hence the reason I decided not to use them in the national comp here. ACDC is one of the very few games that is so deep that it would take an extraordinary mind or someone that has played ACDC thousands of times to remember all the albums with the songs and the tours with the songs. If that can be done lol then good luck to them! Hehe an ACDC fan would surely know these as well...

    #67 11 years ago

    If you can remember a phone number you can remember the sttng video EB pattern

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