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Tournament Directing During Covid-19 Outbreak Tips


By KingHebes

3 months ago



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    #1 3 months ago

    Hey guys i run some events in Boise, Idaho. So far there are no known cases in Idaho, but generally the masses everywhere are experiencing fear and panic. Id like this thread to be a discussion on best practices to take when running your small local events during this time.

    First, id like to sanitize my games, flipper buttons, lockdown bars, side cabinet, etc. what would be a safe effective cleaner to use on all of these different surfaces, without risk of damaging anything? I have some painted cabs from late 70's and early 90's. And some newer sterns/spooky that are one big decal.

    I will provide a pump of hand sanitizer for guests to use.

    What else are you doing at your events as precautionary measures?

    It makes sense for the large events to be cancelling when they are attracting people from all over the country or even other countries, but with our local group of 15-25 players i think we will be ok.

    #2 3 months ago

    Moderator's comment:
    Please keep this thread on track with the OP's specific questions. Discussion, comments & debates about current events belong in the other open coronavirus threads.

    #3 3 months ago

    The only thing that makes sense is canceling any upcoming events. This was not clear yesterday. Today it is.

    #5 3 months ago

    CrazyLevi is right.

    If you continue. I would make disinfectant wipes available for the players.

    You might check into your insurance too. In case someone claims they got infected there. What your liabilities might be.

    LTG : )

    #6 3 months ago
    Quoted from LTG:

    You might check into your insurance too. In case someone claims they got infected there. What your liabilities might be.

    They can claim all they want. Good luck proving anything. Absolutely no way to locate or timestamp an infection of this type.

    Soap destroys the virus shell... simple soap and water should sanitize the games sufficiently. Have each player clean the glass after their ball to remove spittle. Wipe flipper button area with soapy water between players. Spread games apart and/or remove some from play to separate players more. Open windows if weather is good and ventilate playing area well. Signage reminding people not to touch face. Ski masks for those who can't stop

    #7 3 months ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    The only thing that makes sense is canceling any upcoming events...

    WTH else you got to do in Boise?

    #8 3 months ago

    If you follow the advice of the experts, you need between 3 and 6 feet of social distance between players. This virus can become airborne by way of sneeze, cough, or breath. It’s believe that travel distance is 3-6 feet.

    Wipes are a good idea... but are for not unless you keep distances. If you’re serious, mark off areas where people can stand and wait.

    The other way you could do it is almost like selfie league... assign specific times for smaller groups to play

    #9 3 months ago
    Quoted from metallik:

    They can claim all they want. Good luck proving anything. Absolutely no way to locate or timestamp an infection of this type.

    I agree.

    But it costs money to defend yourself against frivolous law suits.

    Now is the time to see if your insurance will help, or if you are on your own.

    LTG : )

    #10 3 months ago

    Basically wondering what is safe to use on the actual pinball machines and still sanitize. Is a Clorox bleach wipe going to fuck up cabinet art? Is soapy water even ok to use or is that going to soak into the cab or gum up the flipper buttons? Do people ever actually sanitize their games? Can i just use hand sanitizer on the pinball machines? This has been a question I've been meaning to ask people long before this outbreak, so seems good a time as any to ask. Honestly im not worried about this being an epidemic at my events with 0 cases in my state and a turnout of 20 regulars whom id probably be playing pinball with at this spot anyway if there wasn't an event going on. Just would like to promote a clean playing environment for everybody.

    #11 3 months ago

    Boom. Here's a link to cdc saying what products to use. There's a pdf at the end of the article. 70% or stronger alcohol solutions will kill the virus. Most bleach products it looks like are on the list. Now the question remains, which are safe to use on all eras and materials of the pinball machine that get touched, wood, paint, decals, metal, plastic.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/prevention.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fabout%2Fprevention-treatment.html

    Im also asking people to stay home if they are feeling ill, or showing signs of illness.

    #12 3 months ago
    Quoted from KingHebes:

    Boom. Here's a link to cdc saying what products to use. There's a pdf at the end of the article. 70% or stronger alcohol solutions will kill the virus. Most bleach products it looks like are on the list. Now the question remains, which are safe to use on all eras and materials of the pinball machine that get touched, wood, paint, decals, metal, plastic.
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/prevention.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fabout%2Fprevention-treatment.html
    Im also asking people to stay home if they are feeling ill, or showing signs of illness.

    I’m using the simple Clorox bleach wipes on my games.
    Full disclosure, apparently some hyper-paranoid folks have been coming into the arcade and wiping down the games with their own wipes and then somehow forgetting them?? It’s the 3rd day in a row I was left with a half full tub of wipes!

    I’m not wasting the opportunity so I’ve just used them to wipe down my games and it seems to be fine. Plus it’s actually cleaned some hard-to-remove grime on the more abused games and it makes a lot of people feel better just seeing someone wiping down stuff even though the same people go and order a pizza, go to the bathroom WITH THE PIZZA and then come out chewing away at it...

    #13 3 months ago
    Quoted from KingHebes:

    Boom. Here's a link to cdc saying what products to use. There's a pdf at the end of the article. 70% or stronger alcohol solutions will kill the virus. Most bleach products it looks like are on the list. Now the question remains, which are safe to use on all eras and materials of the pinball machine that get touched, wood, paint, decals, metal, plastic.
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/prevention.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fabout%2Fprevention-treatment.html
    Im also asking people to stay home if they are feeling ill, or showing signs of illness.

    In my mind, using alcohol and/or bleach on pinball cabinets isn't the best solution for the good of the pin, especially if this is going to be long term use. These are solvents, right? Especially any untreated wood, and I guess the only way to find out about how decals hold up is to test it.

    I have been using a Windex product for the past few weeks, Windex Multisurface Disinfectant Cleaner. It has the familiar kills 99.9% of bacteria and viruses message on the bottle, made by SC Johnson. You can find it on their website. Active ingredient is L lactic acid, and is apparently a low risk health concern and that is why it doesn't show up on the EPA list. Never heard of this as a solution before all this Covid-19 crap came up. I haven't noticed any problems with it, at least not yet, and of course it can be used on glass, too.

    The trick with using any of these products to disinfect is that you have to saturate everything and let it sit for minutes, longer it sits the more stuff it kills. It is probably a fools game to think that we can really disinfect these games regardless of whatever we use. There is the front of the cabinet--a vertical surface, including the start button, coin returns, and plunger, really the whole coin door as people touch everything when they are dropping quarters in. Flipper buttons, lockdown bar and top of glass, cabinet sides up to about 2 ft up the cabinet, too. After all that cleaning, it only takes one guy with dirty hands or a cough to spread his germs all over the cabinet. Anyone that has cleaned an old flipper button will remember all the gunk that was inside the button itself, between the button and the housing. Can't clean very well in between the flipper button and housing unless you take it apart.

    #14 3 months ago

    I just ran our league last night. Most of the suggestions above make absolute sense, however in real life conditions, they aren't practical very long.

    We played a private collection that had been dormant for days, so we didn't bother cleaning them before the tournament. If you are on location, you have a different situation.

    We had sanitizer and everyone was pretty good about using it in between rounds.

    But habits are hard to break or create in one night, so the other precautions were short lived. Wiping between balls wasn't really considered and wiping between games was inconsistent.

    Proximity is impossible to manage after a round or two as people started to relax around each other. Moving machines 6 feet apart was not an option.

    Our group is a bunch of regulars and friends, so maybe that's why no one was ultra-militant about the situation. A couple of folks cancelled, not from fear, but because they got the sniffles/cough/whatever and didn't want to be a risk to anyone else at the event.

    I am planning to play the next two weeks, but have no idea what attendance will be.

    YMMV

    #15 3 months ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    The only thing that makes sense is canceling any upcoming events. This was not clear yesterday. Today it is.

    100% this. Pinball gatherings of any kind are just not that important.

    #16 3 months ago

    Continue to live your life. Pinball small gatherings are minimal risk.

    Follow the CDC suggestions.

    Good hygiene
    Stay away if sick
    Wash your hand completely and regularly

    Anyone saying to cancel all events is on crazy pills.

    Do what you personally are comfortable with and mitigate or limit risk.

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