hahaha please stop...you're making the Domino's pizza come out my nose

Wow game looks fun and unique. Surprised the poll shows the all mighty star wars trailing behind a classic style game with no ramps. Makes me wonder what Gary is thinking

Edit: that outer loop looks fun!

nothing is gonna change my SW LE order, im thinking about TNA also though, huge Bally 1980-82 fan.

TNA is a blast to play! I got to play it at MGC. My vote is TNA.

Allready ordered SW but will call my distributor if it's possible to change it.

Let me know if PU imports TnA to europe! Thnx!

Is it just me? as everytime I see TnA, I keep going, "......nice T*Ts and Ass!"

No. It is not just you.

When you buy a Star Wars buy a plastic set with it. Your going to need them.
Look for replacement toys too, they're paper thin.

Based on the poll it looks like TNA will outsell SW 3

Have you played it? One game is all it took for me to get on the list. And that was with no artwork! I'm telling you it is frickin' awesome.

What I see or hear:
- lightshow is awesome
- sound is awesome
- artwork is terrible
- what about gameplay? Does it feels like a 80's game?
- price is like a stern pro.

Haha. Artwork is terrible and that's a plus. I love the artwork. A cool idea would be print your own instruction cards with your animated 80's self in them

Love the look of this game.

What about the rumor of SWLE manuals stating ghosting is now normal, would that Change your mind?

WHAT toys?

"Play better." - Star Wars designer Steve Ritchie

Doesn't look like a rumor. From other thread. Page 1.

Just sad.

http://www.sternpinball.com/upload/games/star/premium/StarWars_LE_Pre_web.pdf

F*ck dude! Twinkie shits are hitting the fan!

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Stern will sell many thousands of Star Wars and many times as many TNA that Spooky will produce.

If this poll is accurate at all, then it really makes the case about how niche Pinside is and not representative of the greater pinball world.

This is not a slam at spooky or TNA. It's just interesting to see how big the support is on Pinside (landslide), and how that compares to actual sales.

Totally agree - but The problem with this poll, and even TNA is, let's say half the people who voted for TNA are seriously considering buying and have cash in hand; those people are still going to have a tough as nails time getting one anytime soon. Didn't spooky say they were only doing a run of 50 now, then 50 later. I have a feeling it'll be tough getting one of these.

From the manual to save time looking it up:

Each pinball machine has unique characteristics that make it a one-of-a-kind American made product. Each will have variations in appearance resulting from differences
in the machine’s particular wood parts, individual printed art and mechanical assemblies. No play eld is perfectly at and varies depending on the season. Game play will result in play eld dimpling as the harder steel ball contacts the wood and coating; over time multiple dimples will blend to make them less noticeable. Normal plastic insert crazing (tiny stress cracks) and ghosting (small cloudy areas around insert edges) are often seen in pinball machines, due to a combination of plastic mold stress, pushing of inserts into purposely undersized holes, and heating and breaking of inserts’ plastic “skin” when the playfield field is sanded.

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The exploding tiefighter of course! Duuhhh.

I agree, there will be several more other new releases before people past place 50 will get a shot at one...the hype might be fizzled some then. If there were 500 available at reveal they all would be sold.

I wonder if Spooky is keeping a numerical list based on the time you were added to the interest list. I put my name in the hat over Southern Fried.

Maybe one this year if you've just signed up but I have faith that Spooky can deliver the majority of TNA's in 2018.

Then what is it? Looks like a cheap ass toy from China to me.

Add that to the ghosting inserts (that Stern now says is normal) and the dimpling playfields, and you have an expensive POS

I don't see how you can compare TNA with SW. TNA is a niche game from a niche pinball manufacturer. SW is much more mainstream and pretty much what you expect in a Stern. I look forward to playing both but TNA looks much more interesting. I imagine it would not work well as your only pin but great in a collection and great with friends. I have not been impressed with previous Spooky pins but TNA looks the best.

well for example Pinside (owners) accounts for like 70% of all AMH pins but maybe 30% of Woz pins (if estimates are valid).

What's with RS Pinball?

Just thought I would see if I could revive this thread 6 months later. Played a SW LE this weekend and was very impressed. Have TNA deposit down, but the wait is killing me and I'm getting cold feet. So, what do people who have both or have played both think. With adding mirror blades, plastic protectors, shaker, and shipping TNA and SW premium get pretty close in price. So SW premium vs TNA?

TNA still blows SW (any model) out of the water.

TNA has way more lastability. SW is just about a complex code(neat if you like that sort, but I personally have found it tedious and boring) and a theme (I think the theme is really poorly done on this one TBT)... nothing else. There are so many better Stern titles if that is what you are going for.

You show LOTR and TH in your collection, so the last thing I would want is yet another half hour long playing game.

TNA will bring some great diversity to your colleciton and I bet it gets more plays than anything...

Definitely TNA.

My TNA arrived last week. Couldn't enjoy it more. So easy to understand and difficult to execute. Even before I got TNA, my SW Premium has been sitting unplayed.

With all those adds you'd have a fully loaded TNA and a basic SW. Add those things to SW and it's an additional $500. Stick with your TNA deposit. You won't regret it.

Any TNA owners play 90% solo play? I don't have pinball buddies locally. My friends are just not into. They see it as a strange hobby I have. My pinball buddies are my kids and honestly between the computer, PS4, PS3, and Nintendo switch, pinball takes a back seat. So for me, TNA will be a one player experience. I honestly didn't expect to be blown away by Star Wars. But it was fast, the music and lights were great, and the art was better in person. The supercharger on Getaway is one of my all time favorite mechs and I've been on the lookout for a Getaway over the last year (but so many are way overpriced)...so the hyperspace loop really scratched that itch. So, I am getting concerned that TNA may not hold up as a one-player game with no real modes to play.

TNA all the way!

I play solo 90% of the time.

Funny... I originally thought TNA was all about the competitive play with others, but I actually am preferring to play solo. I just want to see how many reactors I can blow up.

Dont get me wrong, TNA is great in a group, but I play it solo a ton and have a blast!

This is a very interesting topic. I’ve not played SW yet so can not speak to it, but Ritchie games are usually fun I’ve owned several including SM twice, T2, STLE, AcDc and Sttng.

I’m not sure if you have played TNA yet, I just did and have to say it was just about what I expected it to be. It’s certainly not like ‘rule city’ such as LotR. It’s got a few rules that you have to repeat and a very limited amount of side rules such as light mystery scoop and the neat ball save lane change rule. Other than that it’s fairly much destroying the reactors.

Now fortunately it’s fun and challenging to destroy the reactor and uses the entire PF but there’s no escaping that it’s just a basic rule game. I’d say if you took IM and subtract half the rules you’d be close to TNA.

Now Stern seems to be up on this pick your own adventure type rule, I had STLE for three years and while it *did* have a lot of modes and lots of mini wizard modes or side multiball modes, it just didn’t do it for me. I mean it was not my game. I know people who love ST above all. So it depends on what you want. If you like a game like SW where you pick a mode to start etc. have a lot of variety and different video and call outs depending on the modes.

TNA is not that game, on my collection I have enough games with enough rules such that I’ll never solve some of my games Woz, Tspp, TWD then I have some middle type games like Tron, IM, Potc, SM.

I’m kind of looking for a game like TNA to be a change up. I played TNA and it was very good. I’m not putting it up with Woz or anything like that (just my personal opinion) it’s kind of not there imo but for me and my collection I believe it’s great.

I can not say about SW but some people will likely like it better than TNA, to me it doesn’t seem like it used all the potential like GB looks more packed with features and I wish SW was more like a mega feature game like Tspp or Woz but Ritchie does his layouts a certain way and you get what you get usually great flow.

Thanks for the very thoughtful reply, Rai. My worry is I sold my F-14 Tomcat, that I initially loved because it got to feeling very one-note. Light Tomcat, lock the balls, land the planes, rinse, wash, and repeat. It was fast and furious, but just kinda felt like it was missing something. I was hoping TNA would be Tomcat on steroids, and think it kinda is. My problem is that once the initial excitement is over, will it seem like the Tomcat experience all over again. And yes, SW may get that way, too...but with all the missions, modes, scoring rules, and character options...it may help the honeymoon last longer. I think both are great, just getting cold feet on the waiting and wonder if I got sucked in by the hype and the extremely fun and entertaining Deadflip/spooky streams. Plus I can get a SW ordered and to my house before my TNA is on the line. "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bushes."

I've been a Star Wars fan since it changed my life in 1977. I've been a pinball fan almost as long.

It's not even close...TNA all the way. Just an incredibly fun game to play.

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I play my TNA solo about 95% of the time ,it's a great single player game . Strategy of single player vs multi-player does change but the game is every bit as good as a single player (maybe better).

Over time, both these games are going to be the types of games that you either get it or you don't. Neither will really be a universal appeal type of game. I've played both a fair bit and I have a TNA on order. I don't enjoy Star Wars. There will be plenty of others who are the exact opposite of me, however. You really need a good bit of play time on these games to make a safe decision.

My TNA is coming soon and I'm super excited for it. I played Star Wars and if I never play it again that's fine. I don't think it's a 'bad game', it just didn't do anything for me. And as a pretty gigantic Star Wars nerd I mostly found the theme disappointing, instead of grabbing me it was more like I wondered about what could have been.

There are likely people who love the Star Wars pin and don't get the fuss over TNA. Different strokes and all that! I don't think anyone here can really help someone else figure out how they feel.

But I'll say this: Star Wars is basically Yet Another Stern™. Not bad, not anything special, some ramps and some shots and some rules and some callouts. It works, you can play it, and maybe it's fun for you. My feeling is aside from desirable theme it's basically pretty forgettable.

TNA, while a throwback in some ways, is something new. It's different and exciting. It's what I want to see more of in pinball, and I'm happy to support it. My 2 cents is if you're a NIB buyer, with money for these high priced games, that you should get what makes you happy. But also do your best to support innovation and passion, and not just get the new game because it's the new game.

Had my SW since July. Love it, but alas will be going whenever my TNA #169 gets the call. Was gonna keep both, but got a great deal on a GOT pro recently and I prefer it for my "math chess rules" game hahah... also limited space and funds and all that. Definitely see myself picking up another one down the line though, it's a shame you can't keep everything

What do you think the ability to re-sell a TNA will be in the future if it doesn't click with me?

Who knows? But look at the response this game is getting, people really like it. People who play it want one. It's a Spooky game, it's never going to sell in huge quantities. I can't see demand for it not being there.