Quoted from Cheeks:
Some "no-name guy" (no offense Scott) makes a homebrew machine with NO ART and Sharpie markings on the inserts and it wins BEST GAME at a pinball show. How many millions of dollars went into games like Batman and Dialed In, yet a half-baked whitewood beat them all. It seems to me Scott knows what he's doing and doesn't need the peanut gallery meddling in his design.
Yet, half the people in here apparently think they can do it better. Unbelievable. Best in show isn't good enough I guess. Geez.
Add drop targets, add a shaker, change the music... Just stop! Let the dude execute his vision, then buy it or don't.
I will be the next in line to suggest a big spoonful of STFU. Scott's game, Scott's vision and it's pretty dang awesome. I played it multiple times and had number one high score between another guy who got GC and 2nd. Let these guys do their thing in peace. I know the current spelling is "there" but decided to do it the old fashioned way. I don't get "payed" for spelling.
Quoted from rai:
I agree to all who are concerned about any question regarding this pin, Pinside is not your safe place, go to your safe place.
What is good for people like you who are allowed to give their opinion may not be good for everyone. Some of us like brutal fast games instead of 45 minute mode based mind-fuck adventures where you battle dragons and Yoda. Just trying to protect an awesome game from the Pinside think tank.
I agree with all except could be run side by side with other games. They have a 3 year contract to build Alice Cooper.
TA plan is to build batches of 50. Game is not finished and therefore no completed BOM. There are reasonable goals set for price bit no one knows at this time. One possibility to make cost reasonable is to drop the individual displays. I prefer they stay but there is a lot going on and cuts may have to be made.
Quoted from DS_Nadine:
I love it and will definetly get one in the future if possible (import) but I have two wishes (for one it's propably too late but I'll tell anyway).
It's always good to have a character/ main protagonist. And you have one, she's right there on the backglass.
On the playfield however she's completely missing altough you still habe a big open canvas where the logo of the game is slapped on.
Instead of the logo (I know what the name of the game is and is has no relevance to what is happening on the playfield at this point) I'd prefer a picture of the Gal. And since all that upfront of her is the reactor she's trying to destroy I'd like her facing it; it would fit perfectly...
I made a montage of Kaneda (the real one, not Special K) where he usually walks to his motorcycle to show what I mean!
She coming in there like this, with weaponery of course, would be great!
Secondly I wish for some awesome callouts wich are from the security guards and -again- from the main protagonist telling me what to do.
Edit: Oh, and since it's 80's don't do black legs.
What you did there, that's awful.
Quoted from unigroove:
Although the discussion is from 6 days ago (page 33), the more I think about it, the more I like the idea for having the female character from the backglass appear in the logo area around the flippers. Don't get me wrong I think the art package is great and I applaud Scott and Matt on an absolute great game, but I wouldn't mind if the girl would make a playfield appearance. Plenty of titles had that (Centaur, Xenon, Flash Gordon, Star Gazer, Fathom, Viking, Mystic, Lost World, Spectrum, BMX, Vector, Fireball II, Gold Ball, Grand Slam, Black Pyramid, Spy Hunter, ...). In many other case there was some illustration tied with bonus light inserts to make that area interesting. Just looked ar my 90s games in my collection and in case of SC, MM, SS and Airborne there aren't any characters, but there is artwork in the flipper area that makes total sense and isn't destracting at all. So if the team would consider this, I wouldn't mind
Please stop. At least until after I get mine.
Quoted from DS_Nadine:
It TOTALLY SHOULD have a pic instead of the logo between the flippers!!!
And this was never meant as a FACT (how is "should have" a fact?) more a suggestion.
Thats first because I like it more but second because of a number of reasons that were stated multiple times.
And we allready got our answer why it looks the way it looks. That's ok for me so why you're still flaming each other?
Discussion is closed. (Of course I still have hope that Scott gets to like the idea of the character between the flippers. )
Why don't you guys just go to the comic book store and grab some stickers?
I have zero games on my wishlist but don't believe that is accurate in any way. My collection is up to date. While I don't think a high percentage use the wish list I would guess an even lower number have a game on there that isn't available for another month.
Depends on if you like modes, long ball times and going on a pinball adventure or if you like fast short ball times, a cool pounding audio and video experience, and no character between the flippers to guide you along.
The two styles couldn't be much more different and most people tend to lean one way or the other.
Games that were made to take you quarters away in short order were 50 cents in the 80's. If that isn't worth a dollar now then why bother to put new games in public?
Maybe the final screen could say, "You did your best" and have a large gold trophy with dancing stars and mushrooms.
Quoted from rotordave:
The more you ship, the cheaper per unit it is.
For example, my rates to NZ are $195 USD first cube and $95 per cube thereafter.
Also, every shipment attracts port services charges, and a multitude of government charges like Agriculture, fumigation etc. These are PER EACH ENTRY. The more units you ship on each entry, you divide the cost of all these fees across the number of units. So 2x Pins = 1/2 fees per pin. 6 pins = 1/6th fees each pin.
The guy would be best to either:
1/ ask Charlie to hold the pin and ship them both together
2/ let this one go, swap it with someone closer to his buddies one.
Yeah, bit why would Pinside listen to someone who has done it over and over? Stop making sense.
Quoted from lancestorm:
Glad they are having success with TNA! Part of the balancing act of having such an in-demand machine is not expanding the workforce too fast (it will lead to constriction later), but at the same time trying to get machines out fast enough that folks don't start backing out of their orders going after the next big machine ...
I really hope Alice is a hit after the beating that Rob Zombie has taken from pinside. Would still like to play a Zombie despite the shelling.
RZ is a great game with a lot going for it. Not a good fit for the everyone gets a trophy type.
Art, music, call outs, and build quality are all top notch. Game play is tough and non-conventional.
Quoted from Mr68:
The impatient inner child took control today and I drove the 35 miles to Mutiny Information Cafe in Denver. Small pinball lineup but what a great, eclectic place with a comfortable vibe.
No need for me to repeat what has already been said about TNA but I will add this. The artwork looks much better in person than I suspected and the old style legs fit so I won't be replacing them with chrome after all.
Ton's of random and fast action and there is a lot more to do than a superficial glance of the layout would suggest. It's probably already been mentioned but some very clever code of what I saw. Playability and re-playability are words of the day as I kept digging for quarters. (go for it grammar freaks)
Many thanks to Mutiny Information Cafe for making the game available. I beat you guys out of 50 cents when I matched for a free game.
I agree about the legs but an 80's Bally coin door keeps crossing my mind.
Looking forward to code update. I skipped the last one. #14 Will be like a new game again.
Quoted from Aurich:
I don't find any of the new games actually casual friendly. I think pinball people forget just how confusing these games are to people who don't play them, and often don't realize there are even rules, let alone ideas like "starting a mode".
Like Star Wars for instance, that game isn't remotely friendly to someone who doesn't play. What exactly are they supposed to figure out how to do if they don't grasp the basics already? We're talking about people who don't know you can start a 4 player game on a pin, who don't understand what "lock is lit" means. These lock in your multiplier rules are greek to them.
I agree with you plus I think the pinball crowd has a much higher percentage of people onto those themes. Most of the regular people I know aren't into fantasy, space or comic book themed entertainment.
I was wondering what all the activity on this thread was. More wait whining. Number 14 is available for $9500. Come get it.
Quoted from rotordave:
Yeah man. If my TnA was in the USA instead of some ship somewhere, I’d be taking the cash and getting back in line.
Free money = GOOD
Plenty of other pins to play in the meantime.
I agree. Luci just showed up this week and I'm not rich. I can wait for free money just like i wait for some games for show up used for a lower price. Playing the game is the same experience, you just have it at a different time.
Quoted from vwallat99:
^This sums it up completely. And the people that are whining do we want to have another company pumping out way too many machines that have sub-par quality playfields?? No thanks. More then fine with waiting on my game because I expect a quality product that Spooky has been delivering.
Good point. I have bought 4 new in box games in my life. ACDC had more problems out of the box than all 3 Spooky games including AMH.
Quoted from o-din:
Interesting as that big hole in the box is just above the word "FRAGILE!".
The guys who handle this stuff behind the scenes just don't give a crap. Spooky and the delivery driver are the public faces of these deliveries but somewhere along it's travels there is a warehouse guy who is no better than the guy at McDonald's that puts 5 oz of ketchup on one burger. Not to mention that the companies probably don't provide time for them to handle it carefully. Stuff I see behind the scenes at work makes me want to do all my deliveries in person instead of using any shipping company. Unfortunately that isn't always cost or time effective.
Quoted from delt31:
OK - I'm going to hold off until I get it. I'm 6ft and I heard it's worse the taller you are. I don't care about off angle though. Dead on would annoy me.
I am 6'2" and the noisy fan and slightly dim screen are much less annoying that the whining you hear on Pinside about them.
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