Muskego, WI
Quoted from gliebig:What is the grid of lights between the slings for?
Bonus. Oldschool style.
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Quoted from Rasavage:The gameplay, sound and layout all looked great. I was curious though if the alpha/numeric displays were a necessity because there wasn't code for scoring on the lcd or if it was an intentional aesthetic choice.
Intentional choice.
Quoted from CaptainNeo:it could. It doesn't cost as much as you think to make a pinball machine. Wasn't that long ago you could buy NIB for $3400. So you know the production costs are wayyyyyy cheaper.
For stern. With everything in mass quantity.
Quoted from Frax:The cost in RGB lights isn't the hardware, it's the wiring and time spent coding for them. Let's please not make it seem like 1.50 versus 1.00 is a HUGE DEAL even when there's a hundred of them. I think we'd all be happy to foot the 50 bucks a game if it was simply a hit on the cost of those versus regular single-color LEDs.
They're all direct controlled with PD-LED boards from Multimorphic, not some inferior serial chain garbage. So yeah, there's cost in hardware.
Quoted from Frax:Yeah, I'm done. Couldn't even get the post out beforehand... He picked what was right for his situation. That doesn't mean that it's "right" for mass production viability.
Ask JJP about how much money they've 'burned' on light board changes/revisions/replacements/etc - what exactly about any of that is "right" for mass production?
Quoted from bangerjay:Rules/modes, this could be a good place to spitball
Scott doesn't want spitballs from random pinsiders. He just wants to make his game.
Edit: Upon further reflection, you probably know this and are just trolling him.
Quoted from lordloss:I just find it Highly amusing how much of an expert you are in an area you support, but have no real experience in. All you have is a large wallet and an obsession with making sure games like this don't see large runs
Shady as it may sound, he's not wrong. Limited production runs give it that "These are hard to get" "only xx of these exsit" brag factor that so many people give a crap about.
1 week later
Quoted from Grizlyrig:Already seen that,time for a new vid and see any changes-updates.
-Mike
Ah. Hasn't changed too much since then.
Quoted from perryd:... made for less than 5k??
Quoted from Chosen_S:I agree, I would hope for more of a kit.
If you're in either of these camps, you should just tip your hat, say good day, and move along.
1 week later
Quoted from Rascal_H:It's a real time strategy game where you unleash robot armies against your enemy while simultaneously protecting your own base. Gather resources and build better and better units. First to destroy the opposition's commander wins the game.
Unrelated.
Quoted from rai:I was just asking if this has a shaker?
Bigass sub. Same diff.
Quoted from frolic:Wow, such an awesome idea. The best players will know how to press their scores up as high as possible before they kill the final reactor. Sort of like the challenge of the Donkey Kong kill screen.
Wouldn't the best players just NOT destroy the final reactor then?
Quoted from Fytr:Makes sense, the hypothetical was in order to reduce the bill of materials.
Personally, I'd like the *option* of cutting out the LCD and saving $1K, if that were a possibility.
heh. cutting the display just creates a massive unnecessary difference in software. And doesn't cut anywhere NEAR $1k out of the price. Probably not even $100.
The pinside price bitching thread once the retail price for this game gets announced is going to be legendary.
Quoted from c508:I want Scott to make a profit and be inspired to follow up with another game that he takes the time (which may be a while since this has been a passion project) to "do right."
I'm guessing Scott is going to burn out on this whole process and never want to do it again.
Quoted from Pimp77:I'm surprised you aren't burned out with all the projects you've blazed through!
Enh, I'm basically burned out on the Ironman HD thing.
Quoted from fastpinball:LOL. Well, the topic was not on our hardware. I didn't want to put Gerry in a bind if he didn't cut deeper than that. Our new bundle pricing sits just under 15% off when ordering 1 bundle.
Nobody is talking about a single bundle. A production run is hundreds of boards. Not something you'd know about, eh?
2 weeks later
Quoted from trilogybeer:Spooky is making a new cabinet for this game they had a sample at mgc , Scott will work with that sample and see what changes will need to be made for his game .
Cabinet? That looks like a Love Boat to me.
Quoted from Grizlyrig:If it reaches $6500 you'll see people who are on the fence not jump over. I think the price poll shows where it needs to be. I am looking forward to the artwork and then price.
-Mike
It'll reach whatever it has to reach, regardless of some poll.
Quoted from sulakd:Tech question in response to the earlier posts about the cost of this game due to the number of addressable LEDs. Not necessarily for TNA because it's already 'built,' but I have a monoprice keyboard with led-backlit keys. It has some little lightshows programmed in, so I know that each led-lit key is individually addressable. They are not RGB LEDs because each key stays the same color. These keyboards cost $32. Is there any reason the same tech couldn't be used in a pin? Is it just the fact that they are not RGB LEDs?
Follow up question. I have a stingray in a childs wading pool filled with vodka. I know it's not RGB LEDs, but ...
Quoted from Kevlar:The spooky interview mentions how little effect the lack of ramps has on the BOM but it didn't mention ( unless I missed it ) how much removing the digital displays would save? probably a lot more than a ramp I would guess. ( yes they're cool but if removing them gets the price closer to what most people in this thread think the machine should cost then why not? )
Those single controlled drop targets are pricey. Might as well take those out. Having all the leds be RGB adds to the price, why not get rid of that?
1 week later
Quoted from bangerjay:Scott already has an awesome shirt
Nice anchor on the corner of the bed there.
Quoted from Rascal_H:So any speculation to the ending of the game Scott spoke about on the Spooky podcast? He said something you wouldn't expect.
My prediction is an epic light show, and then the game locks up and drains your ball... game over. Because isn't the story that in order to save the world you have to sacrifice yourself? Sad ending... empire strike back style.
Matrix Did it.
Quoted from LTG:Easier to check if it's available. It is.
LTG : )
For many tech nerds among "you young kids" today, a whois lookup is faster/easier and is essentially the same thing.
/says the tech nerd with any number of terminal windows he could type a whois lookup into
Quoted from rubberducks:Still not sold on the art style, but that looks WAY better.
It's almost as if that's what it would look like if there were light bulbs behind it to make things brighter. Imagine the innovation if they did THAT with a pinball machine. Mind. Blown.
Quoted from cooked71:... it would be pretty hard playing this game without knowing the back story. Being an original theme it needs to be explained somehow.
What is this wacky crap? What's the back story of Cosmic Gunfight? Or Barracora? or ... (shitloads of other old pins).
Ludicrous.
Quoted from Roostking:That's a good point. Michael I fox was from the 80's in BTTF 2, but dressed as they would when he went into the future.
He wasn't INTENDING to go to the future, duh!
Quoted from Pinballlew:Actually in BTTF 2 he was INTENDING to go to the future to save his son, duh!
Quoted from Pinballlew:Actually in BTTF 2 he was INTENDING to go to the future to save his son, duh!
My, doc grabbed him off the driveway without warning and they split.
2 months later
Quoted from megalo17:Please say you'll be at ReplayFX?!
Negatory.
Quoted from PACMAN:I don't understand why everyone has a hard on for this game. Its SO BASIC. Is it because its a few bucks cheaper than other new games?
Tell us about the time you played it that helped you form this opinion.
2 weeks later
Quoted from Whysnow:Hey charlie, any scoop protector available (is it needed?) for TnA?
I believe the scoop mech has 'mantis like' protection on the interior of the hole built in.
Quoted from dri:What style flipper assemblies are being used on TNA? True to it's era, System 11'ish?
It's era is today, fam. It's got modern flippers.
Quoted from Pinfactory2000:looks like livestream is cancelled tonight?
5pm Central - they just posted on FB that they're getting ready.
Quoted from KingPinGames:i am shocked that you waited that long. i would have thought you would have been in the first 10 or so.
either way, nice job! can't wait to see a TnA Olympic style game!
The TNA olympic event is play with a fuel rod down the back of your shirt, like Homer Simpson.
Quoted from TigerLaw:Who did all the music? I'm really digging it.
Scott himself.
Quoted from greenhornet:bonus question. are you OK with the possibly 'unintended' super jackpot awards starting at 1:56:54 and 2:12:27.? as MB is being released, you enter the upper scoop before the drop target bank has time to reset for the normal jackpot awards to begin. now that's a skill shot that may be worth keeping.
It'd be fun if the game recognized this and gave you some special display/award
Quoted from benheck:No. You can make A B C D E and F with a seven segment (though the b looks like a six)
If the numeral six is done with the top segment more like a G, then they would be unique.
Quoted from GhostThruster:TIL there are way more $1 coins laying around than I realized. Are you guys just hoarding them all for your sac parties?
They're super convenient for dollar games. Real man always sac up.
1 month later
Quoted from toyotaboy:At $375 prices do seem to be more reasonable now.. I'm guessing a similar setup a few years back would be more like $600?
Is the price break due to higher volumes as of late?
I'm also assuming if someone were to buy all the above boards, they could build an equivalent homebrew game to TNA (IE same coil count, switch count, RGB lighting, etc)?
TNA uses multiples of a few boards - not sure about all of them, but I'm pretty sure it's got FIVE PD-LED boards.
Quoted from waveman:Yeah - see post #3431. Total comes out to $875.
At retail pricing, yes. I'd guess the volume pricing on a run like TNA saves a bit more.
1 month later
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:You will literally be taken back in time about 100 years.
ACTUAL time travel? In Wisconsin? Does Popular Science know about this?
1 week later
Quoted from FatPanda:Awesome that KT is reaching out to folks to let them know their game is ready to be built. Do you get one last chance to let them know the options you want before they start building?
Is she? or are anxious pinballers calling her constantly so she can't get any work done? 
2 weeks later
Quoted from Mr68:Seems to me that Stern had a 10 ball setting and maybe they still do. Or maybe my friend lied to me about that with his Family Guy.
I know WPC games go that high, I would assume Stern stuff does too. The really odd thing I found was on one game I colored it wouldn't let you go down to 1 ball/game - 2 was the minimum. That was strange.
Quoted from yancy:You can choose how many reactors it takes to reach Total Nuclear Annihilation. Default setting is all nine. When you reach TNA, you get a bonus and the game effectively ends. If you achieve it before ball 3, plunge any remaining balls and receive the TNA bonus again. So no matter how great you play, one reactor and you're done. The challenge is to maximize one reactor before blowing it (preferably during multiball, with multipliers).
There's also: get multiball and go for jackpots rather than working on the reactor for ball 1. If you're feeling cocky.
1 month later
Quoted from Jerickso77:Still trying to figure out what makes Alpha Particles explicit.
“particles” is like 60% of the way to. “Testicles”. Can’t be too careful in 2018.
Quoted from Whysnow:I dont want to watch (prefer to experience new reactors/music for myself), but I would like to know best scores and if he blows all 9 ever.
Would also like to know his general strategy of stacking/grabbing points/completing keypads/ use of multi...
If anyone cares to give cliff notes
Multiball at all times. If out of multiball, get multiball.
Quoted from BorgDog:was it two extra balls in that game? I didn't keep a scorecard.
Default is to get one at Reactor 3 and reactor 6, I think.
Quoted from Shapeshifter:Is the 2x, 3x, 4x a bonus multiplier or playfield multiplier?
Hoping it's a p/f multiplier
It's both, I think. Shows bonus x when not in multiball, shows playfield x when in multiball. I think. Maybe. I could be mistaken.
Quoted from yancy:Pretty sure I bet 276. Glad to lose!
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:I'm at 415. I want that trophy poor Scott never got.
Quoted from benheck:Damn I lost my bet! (299)
Quoted from trilogybeer:I'm at 1,055 . I also want to win whatever it is.
What's with all the strange numbers? Aren't they building batches of 50? And at some point they'll do a last call and do a final batch of 50 and sell off what's left over time?
Quoted from bangerjay:Omw to winning!(800)
This guy gets it.
1 month later
Quoted from jwilson:I don't think Spooky should do anything different, but I can say with 100% certainty that I know of four orders that they haven't gotten for TNA because the people involved don't want to wait. Two operators and two collectors have directly told me. Instead the ops in question bought DI and TWD. All four are only interested if they can go down to their distributor and pick it up ASAP.
So it is absolutely true the build delay is costing sales. Now, it's better that Spooky build at the pace they prefer and get the games out instead of overtaxing their output ability, but I just wanted to set the record straight that it does in fact cost actual sales.
Maybe down the road they'll buy one when they ARE more readily available.
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5 months later
Quoted from bob_e:Are you selling raffle tickets for the game?
or tickets to the open house, with an auction for the game at the open house?
Do you have to be there?
Tickets are to get into the PBL event. The auction will happen during the PBL event. Pretty sure you have to be present.
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