Scott said (in the podcast) that if they can get the costs on the numeric displays down (and he thinks they will), they are considering putting them below the BG, he references "Strange Science" as an example of a solution that would allow them to preserve most of the BG and still have the numeric displays.
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This is okay, I can see the appeal as a relatively simple solution from an engineer's perspective, though I personally prefer the numeric displays to be embedded in the middle region of the BG, with mirrored outlines around it, like the Laser War example above.

Strangely enough, at the recent YegPin show in Edmonton I got a chance to play a buddy's Strange Science, interesting game to say the least. Ironically, his displays were wonky from making the trip and got progressively worse as the show went on. He ended up replacing them with LEDs from Nitro Amusements, who were also at the show. So, my point being, that recent experience, and now hearing that Scott is inspired by Strange Science's display placement feels like some kind of time/space looping going on already, which fits the theme of Total nuclear Annihilation perfectly.

Agreed. All the explanation is actually unnecessary. Your mission is to blow the reactors to a pumpin' soundtrack. 'nuff said.

"Destroy Centaur!"

only you can actually accomplish the goal in TnA. You can never destroy Centaur

When they said it would have the LED displays below the translite, that's what I was imagining. I'm a full on 6803 nerd. I wish they would get rid of the screen and just put alphanumeric displays in it. Cab art in that style WOULD BE AWESOME.

If they get rid of the displays, I may have to reluctantly say no to this pin.

That's a good point. Michael I fox was from the 80's in BTTF 2, but dressed as they would when he went into the future.

He wasn't INTENDING to go to the future, duh!

But he had to fit in otherwise he'd look like an idiot.

Actually in BTTF 2 he was INTENDING to go to the future to save his son, duh!

My, doc grabbed him off the driveway without warning and they split.

And who wants to play bttf? Nobody

No offense, but why don't you twist my words a little more. If you took the time to read, you would see I am not the only one who feels this way. I think the art is beautiful, but not for this game or title. Scott clearly put a lot of time and work into this game......I wish him the best and want him to be as successful as possible. This is not about me, this is about the many potential buyers that will view this art work the same way I did.

I do.. Clay does

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Oops, duh!, to myself

Yeah? If it came down to a choice between the two? Nah

You'll be playing it in June when I host for league night.

I thought that phase timed out

Wasn't the image for Marty McFly on the machine based after you? If you were a narcissist you'd want to play it all the time...

Brad

Trust me, his buddies are not yes men.
Terry.

Many potential buyers also really like the the artwork , your point of view is valid but it has no more value than someone who likes the art . The only important thing is that Scott likes the art and it is the vision of his game that he was looking for . Remember Scott is building this game for himself the way he wants to , the fact that it will go into production just means that we will be able to purchase one of these at some point if we like what Scott has created . I do think diacussion is great and the fact that some people are disapointed by the artwork is accually really good . Let me explain , for someone to be interested in the game enough to imagine an idea of what the game should look like means they do care about this game to put the time to create this image in their heads. It is natural for someone to be disapointed when reality does not match the image they have created in their heads . Someone should not be shunned for be disapointed with the artwork , or liking it . I am a loving friend of Scott , and I don't see anything he has done with this game as "foolish mistake " and that is not because I am trying to protect his feelings . I am actually more concearned with your feelings (and others disapointed with the art ) because you all clearly do care about this game and really do want it be what you've imagined . But that is not going to happen , nothing said here is going to change Scott's vision or path for this game . I do really think that once the total package is revealed and everyone can see how well the music, art , lightshow , gameplay go togather and can see Scott's vision for this game complete that there will be far less complaints on the art and it will become more clear how cohesive the whole game is . Of course it is imposible to please everyone , but I would say just wait to see and play the complete game and see if what you'd imagined is happily replaced by the reality of a great game and complete package Total Nuclear Annihilaion turns out to be. And if the game in the end really is not what you are looking for maybe the only way to get everything you want in a game is to build your own . And I'm sure Scott would be willing to give tips,advice and some help on how to go about doing that. In fact most of the custom game builders are really great people willing to help out a fellow game builder with their projects.

That is great! Sounds like he has a pretty rad boss, too!

Aaron
FAST Pinball

He's so so.

Do not waste time running it by pinball buddies or "yes men" at this stage.
Keep at it.
Aaron
FAST Pinball
See, if we were friends, I'd have no trouble telling you when you were being an ass

Well, we are not friends, but go ahead and tell me I am an ass if you need to.

Aaron
FAST Pinball

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Edit: I had to go back and see what I had posted and how it could have been so upsetting. Taking the line you quoted out of context certainly sounds lame. Comment in context:

The point I was trying to make was for Scott to engage with people who are going to constructively help him hone his vision for the artwork, not get hung up on personal opinion.

Back on topic.

Aaron
FAST Pinball

https://www.reddit.com/r/quotes/comments/1pzo9n/rodney_dangerfield_had_this_viewpeople_always_ask/

Love this joke from Rodney Dangerfield

You're reminding me why I didn't continue my career in 4-color lithography. Semi-pro guys could always convince the client of their abilities and then they'd give us garbage files and get mad when light and ink and paper do what they've always done.

CMYK is NOT the worst, self-proclaimed designers with commodity-grade gear and no concept of how to calibrate any damn thing - THAT's the worst. If I had my way, Adobe would only sell their software to people who'd at least spent a week or two as a press helper on an offset sheetfed press. Don't even get me started on how much of the driving test should be devoted to turn signals.

Of all the dumb things people have said in this thread this is definitely the most stupid.

I don't want to live in a world that has no mystery and imagination, our culture has become spoon fed enough already.

Thanks, After seeing your work, I can understand why you would say that.

Uh oh. Someone must love his original Shadow art. lol

Isn't that the case anymore? Man, things have changed in the past 25 years...

Anyway, I would never touch printing myself. So many factors can go wrong. With the 3D translites you even have to consider temperature (expansion of the material) and humidity ) If you don't have the experience results are always less than ideal.

Yet I'm still happy in YUV (coming from film/video). Lol!

curious.......... What is the pitch (how many degrees) set on this game as plays faster than 80's games

I am not sure if this will change with the new cabinet, but I don't think the pitch was ever altered on the Dolly Parton cabinet. So whatever the pitch was in 78 is, I am pretty sure, what it is running now.

EDIT: Have more specific info that answers your question better. The POC game (in Dolly cab) is set at 6 degrees. The production game will be set at 6.5 degrees. This can be adjusted back to 6 or up to 7 if your feeling extra LIONMAN.

I want to play some TnA again soon to see what has changed since MGC!

thanks for the info,

Any new info?

Scott has said he's not revealing anything else until it's done, so I wouldn't expect much over the next couple months or so.

Scott is awesome. Spooky is awesome. Things are happening...

Oh. NEW info? No.

Good idea on his part. Being Pinside, anything he would release would be picked apart anyway. With that said, I'd like to know a target release date so I know how much time I have to save up for it

It will be at SFGE next week so if you're in the Atlanta area, come on by!

Scott and Charlie spoke about it beeing on the production line at the end of the year when everything runs smooth in the last spooky pinball podcast. Still a long time, hoping for more streams in the meantime, this game just looks so damm fun!

Great , if you look at the poll 345 wil buy TNA.

IMHO I believe your estimate to be rather optimistic. I feel the initial excitement for this title from 3 months ago has lost some of its momentum. if the game is produced as it stands, I don't see it being a commercial success. by the time TNA is ready to ship, more alternatives will have presented themselves as well. I can see asking price having a bearing on sales for this title more so than alternative/current/upcoming NIB. it may take an asking price of 5,000 or less to move numbers. I won't be surprised if indeed Spooky lists it in that range. just how many machines are produced remains to be seen, but among the many positives from Spooky is their transparency when it comes to disclosing production numbers.

curious if you have played the game? I ask because honestly anyone that has not, really has zero clue on the game.

That goes for any game really, but this one in particular as the juxtaposition of what you may expect from a single level game compared to what it is and does to players is amazing to watch.

I think anyone guessing price is taking a WAG and doing a disservice to the cost to make a game like this. I personally would be VERY surprised to hear 5k as the price point. I would be ecstatic, but I do not think that is even remotely realistic.

No one knows yet what price will be . Their target is the average spooky price of around $6,295 , if they can get down to that target remains to be seen . I know scott wants to include everything that the current game has , all lights color change , laser cut side rails , digital displays and the lcd , premium sound system , etc . As is I see no way that the price would be at 5k .

I think that pinside/the Internet is brutal when it comes to the short attention span for games. It's not just TNA.

Relative to the amount of time spent developing new games, the amount of time that it takes for people to stop discussing them on forums, or to complain that they need something new is staggeringly short. It's hard to argue with, though; at some point, if you're not physically playing the game, there's only so much you can say about it.

I believe that TNA is at SFGE this weekend, so I'm sure we will see a lot of new posts of "renewed interest" very soon.

The game is at SFGE and it's awesome. Pretty much the best new game at the show.

Scott did an amazing job.

Yes. The highlight of the show for me was playing a 4 player game on TNA that included Roger Sharpe. Noticed that the code was further along since Texas with some added items.

I just hope Scott does not cut ANYTHING! I want the full package and not just the tip!

$6300 would be a price where the buyer wins tremendously in my eyes. Anyone who thinks this game is only worth $5k has either never played it or never looked under the playfield.

You've got people paying 10k+ for sterns and magic girl (i.e. useless girl). This game stomps B66 and MG.