And BINGO was its name-o.
Perfectly said.
Terry.

LCDs aren't that expensive. Maybe $50 or so in production quantities. What makes them expensive is paying genuine artists good money to make them pop! . That expense is worth every single penny . Video clips and other filler is nice, but you have to have a graphics artist that can tie it all together with slick fonts, animations, wipes, etc.

I wasn't asking for changes per say ... I don't expect the designer to even acknowledge my post ... Only reason I even said anything is that the pin has a totally 80s feel & I'd love to see them make something with old school alphanumerics.

Moreover, I was only offering up my opinion that a backbox LCD doesn't do squat for the player ... if it's in the field and done right, that could be something slick (Heighway has done a good job doing this so far) .

I'm not one of those arrogant, back seat designers that think I know what I'm talking about and feel my opinion is law . Sorry if you got that impression ... That wasn't my intent.

The segment displays don't need to be expensive or need a heap of wiring. These as an example only need 3 wires. They can be daisy chained too, so run all 4 displays from 3 wires

https://www.tindie.com/products/rajbex/serial-8-digit-7-segment-led-display-red/

You know, I hadn't thought about the fact that this game does not need to precisely adhere to a certain segment display style/format. In my previous efforts with segment displays we needed to exactly match or it wasn't good enough.

Cool site, too.

Aaron
FAST Pinball

I thinks its a great but expensive game to build.
Losts of inserts and wires, so it has a hi BOM.
Cuting down is not a option.

Maybe build 10 handmade (for 10k a piece) just like wooly or Buffy.
This makes it very special if there ar no more than 10.
My Starwars cost 3500 dollar to build incl a donnor SW.
Mediëval Castle cost me 3100 dollar incl a donor Nba.
So its possible to handbuild in small series cheap on special demand.

Cracking up at all the price shaving and "I want Scott to [do something]" posts (some of which seem like good ideas, others not so much).

Here's my take on it.

I want Scott to make a profit and be inspired to follow up with another game that he takes the time (which may be a while since this has been a passion project) to "do right."

I'm guessing Scott is going to burn out on this whole process and never want to do it again.

You have your whole life to make your first game, six months for the second

Hurry up Scott, I want to see Fiero Fever

I thought it was Fast and Fieroest? Did he change the name again??

That is so true

I was so happy to see Scotts design picked up by spooky. But now I kinda wish I didn't know about it until it was a month out and completely designed etc.
I don't want to read through 6+ months of suggestions and price speculation which is going to kill my buzz! But I don't want to drain the thread and miss important information!
Damn you pinside!

What do the lights near the flippers do? I mean the square of 15 lights between the slings plus the three below those?

And then... after enough "unprecedented success" and "groundbreaking innovation" you just have to cash the checks, buy a Range Rover, install a "magic door" inside an oversized rented shop, and single-handedly keep the local Starbucks profitable whilst pursuing various other projects none of your original buyers/investors ever intended to fund (or even knew about).

But hey... now we have "real quickstep solenoids"!

Scott's weird though, a working game then art??? Whaaaatttttt?

You will find more information about Total Annihilation in the Lionman thread than you will in this thread .

I said to the Scott, who avoids this thread, that I find it quite entertaining as you have clueless people passionately debating with other clueless people.

The worse thing would be no one giving a shit. So take the attention in stride.

I'm surprised you aren't burned out with all the projects you've blazed through!

Bonus count

Sergant Rex Colt approves of TA.

FC3_Blood_Dragon_Cover (resized).jpg

Enh, I'm basically burned out on the Ironman HD thing.

Bonus count from 1K-10K, then 10K-50K, then the triangles are 2X, 3X and 4X.

That's a cool art style for an 80s theme. The neon looks great.

Good point. May we assume that the art will integrate with the LCD animations? That only makes sense though, right? I'll go out on a limb and say that "hot neon pink" is a possibility

The artist will do a great job integrating the art with the LCD stuff... he's got top level skill.

bonus for end of ball or for specific shots? How are bonus built up?

Bat66 LE pricing was a joke.

Yup, the poor saps that buy LE's help keep the pro price down.............. they take it the shorts for the Pro while the LE makes bank.... End the cycle people..

The whole idea of Pro and Prem/LE is kind of ridiculous in all honesty. Back in the peak of pinball in the 90s, what you saw was what you got, no model comparisions. If you wanted a TAF, you got a TAF, not a TAF PRO, that didnt have the Power Magets and Thing hand/Thing flips. Designers need to go back to making games as they are. If an upper playfield is in the design, add it, but not as the requisite of it being a Premium model. Can you imagine SOF or TZ without an upper pf? Of course not! But the fact that you can take a GoT and add an upper pf, then charge and extra 2k is kind of ridiculous. /rant

Back to Scott; his design, no Pro/Premium models. Just Total Annihilation!!!

I'm sorry, what's your point? I mean besides the kind of ridiculous part.

To design and produce the table with the end product in mind, not to keep elements out of it, then add the "extras" and charge more.

Kind of ridiculous to be making that point considering there's been no indication of any of those things happening.

Im mainly talking about Stern, not Spooky or TA, hence the last sentence in my original post about Scott making his table.

Semi-annihilation?

What bout Partial Annihilation, Semi Annihilation, then Total Annihilation. I like to control my ilations you see.

So true!
Terry.

If Stern was making this, they'd probably only have 6 color changing lights.

Like $15k BM66 SLE

Will it run on P3 or Spooky platform?

I asked a couple of pages ago, no comments yet. Perhaps it's too soon to tell. It currently runs on P3. If Spooky can handle such a large display, who knows. I was curious whether it would make the BOM less expensive.

It currently runs on the p3-roc controller board.

Technically, the p3 is the name of Multimorphic's pinball platform --the one that runs Lexy, Cannon Lagoon, Heads Up, Grand Slam Rally, ROCs...

The only reason I'm bothering to be picky about the naming is that Scott has talked about designing a P3 playfield module/game at some future point.

I sure hope they can figure out a way to get it on Spooky/Ben Heck board. As I understand it, that could save them lots of $$$ in hardware.

I think the jetsons display (more pixels, but far from the HD Scott has now) is as far as Ben can currently push the hardware. Maybe that's ok for this game seeing how this is supposed to be retro 80's?

Just normal pinball end of ball bonus.

I was not impressed with the Jetsons display at TPF. The colors were washed out and overall the image quality isn't very good. It wasn't close to what Scott had on TI.

I hear that if he can find a way to get it EM style driving a laserdisc player they could save $$$$$$$$!!

Fingers crossed you guys.

I mean I understand I should expect the thumbs down from the Proc crew. The reality is that the pinheck board is what Spooky has been using and from my experience with buying Proc boards and from what I know about pinheck board, one is far more expensive.

I am guessing we will see this on the Proc system since that is how it was originally designed. I just wish/hope it could go on the pinheck as I woudl rather that cost savings go into Scott/Spooky pockets

I also really like the ease of the single board pinheck system. All said, I am sure that would create all sorts of new challenges give the amazing things Scott has already designed off the proc foundation.

There's no cost savings because time isn't free.

Hey Scott, remember those hundreds of hours you spent programming? Do that again so we save some money

I see this kind of fallacy all over the place. Setting aside the quite vast differences in programming for each boardset, the capabilities of each are far different. Have you seen the light shows for Total Annihilation? Imagine trying to program them in a different language, with a board with different capabilities for driving lamps.

Different boardset, different programming language, different capabilities.

Would you prefer a watered-down interpretation of what Total Annihilation is currently, or a production version of same? I know which I would prefer.

Throwing a programmer at the problem is not the solution, either. Ever wonder why certain features were slow to be implemented by certain boardsets over the years?

I use the P3-Roc, so I guess I'm biased. I will say that it is the most elegant and useful pinball control system I've ever had the pleasure of working on/with.

It's not fair that you cite facts