its my machine its not a UK power supply issue as all LCD's runs on DC. Its just not a great LCD panel, lower quality LCD panels have limited viewing angles, at my height it looks fine I agree with you though if you look from a lower angle it is better, If Spooky titled the screen a touch upwards it would make a big difference, but remember the screen wasn't going to be in the game - its kind of an after thought (read Scott's blog). I'll have a go at the settings and see if I can make it bigger for freaky giants

Neil (a twelve year old )

I'm only 5'5" and I don't have a problem in the world about it

I went so far as to create a bracket with a baffle around the edges of the screen. While it helped the contrast, it looked kinda hokey, and the top edge of the display was blocked by the top edge of the cutout, dependent on the player's height. To do it right, I think a completely new speaker panel would be needed.

Tna 417 ordered

417 on 4/17!

Who’s gonna get 420 on 4/20?

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Some sort of divine intervention with the order numbers & dates going on here. Is TNA signaling the rapture!?

It's because it's a pretty cheap TN panel. All TN panels have poor viewing angles and significant gamma shift. The latter, particularly on the vertical plane. Cheap ones more so.

Switching to even a very cheap IPS unit will improve viewing angles a lot and reduce gamma shift.

If you care about image quality, it would be a cheap and cost effective upgrade.

Just gotta hold on a little longer.

How do you guys even get a chance to look at the LCD screen while playing TNA? I can honestly say I have no idea what’s happening on the lcd whilst playing.

TNA is officially on location at The Sanctum. It went through a busy rigorous testing party at my house last week when it showed up and brought to The Sanctum the next day. Anyone in the Greater CT/Northeast area come on by and give it a whirl. It won’t be leaving here for a very long long time.

SpookyCharlie just posted on facebook that speaker kits are available!

exactly!

Just added to KT's insanity and sent my request for speaker lights

Anybody get their notification this week?

Same, I was also told I should be receiving my invoice soon... sexy time!

Yes, got notice from Kayte a few hours ago. Game #132. I've order mirror blades, shaker motor, knocker and the speaker kit, in a margarine box.
Invoice to follow soon.

I wonder if Pinball Life will carry the speaker lights? I'd like to order the shaker at some point, be handy to get them shipped together.

No shaker in your game.
You need to get on top of that one.
I couldn't imagine playing it without one.

I originally did not put a shaker in the game (whitewood), then I did (prototype), and now I cannot play it without. True story.
--Scott

The rumble while you try to destroy the reactors is wonderful. On the pin I get to play you can't properly cradle up because the ball will wiggle around the whole time. Really one of the best uses of shaker of any game.

Good stuff Scott.

Patiently waiting. Mine will be home this summer.

My TNA is on the second floor, and the house pretty much shakes when I blow up a reactor.

True story, I asked Scott what to order with my game and he told me to just get the plastic protectors.

This is making me glad mine is getting close to getting on the line.

Add lighted speakers during production...... check!

Easy install. Sorry man. Maybe I did not love the shaker as much as I do now back then.

Get the real knocker too!

Real knockers are always preferred amongst gentlemen

Unless the knockers are old and tired then I would prefer the overhauled version.

What’s the consensous on the “butter cabinet” is it worth the extra $999?

^^^^^Not if it is rent/food money.^^^^^
However if you have an extra grand lying around this is an excellent way to make it disappear.

The grandkids don't know the difference, but I do.

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Love the change machine! How much do you charge the grandkids per game?

I do love a good knockers joke..

Game #153 here.

I am interested in adding the speaker kit to my build. Think I should I contact Kayte now, or just wait until she emails me about paying? Should be coming up pretty soon, I hope.

I'm not sure how many kits they have parts for, I would e-mail her sooner rather than later.

I spent some time trying to make mine act a bit more "normal". There are two software settings that you can use to tweak it. One is "Sensitivity", which I believe is the amount of time that the plumb bob has to stay in contact with the ring to register a switch closure. The other is "Settle Time", which seems to be the amount of time that switch closures are ignored after you've been given a warning.

Since the Settle Time is set to 2500 by default, it takes a minimum of 5 seconds for a big move to cause a tilt, assuming you didn't already have a warning. On WPC games, this equivalent of Settle Time is more like 800 ms, based on my measurements.

So, I tried setting my Settle Time to 1000 ms on TNA, and it became obvious why it was set so high. I was getting tilt-throughs pretty frequently, even on the v1.2.0 code. I watched the tilt bob, and it continues moving a LONG time. It also has an odd habit of missing the ring on a few (or many) swings, then finally coming into contact with the ring again. I believe the misses allow the game software to switch to the next player, then new swings that actually do make contact cause the tilt-through. I do not think this is a software bug, but I'm also not sure how WPC games do so much better at preventing this. This continued swinging can also cause that delayed tilt you mentioned.

I've been experimenting with ways to dampen the swinging in hopes of finding one that doesn't prevent legitimate tilts. I used a piece of foam stuck in the hole where the tilt bob hangs, and that does cause the bob to slow it's swinging nicely, but it also allows huge moves with only two warnings.

The other problem I've run into is that some switch closures just aren't registering, even if I set "Sensitivity" to 0. I can flick the tilt bob by hand, hear it bounce off the ring multiple times, and sometimes, I don't even get a warning from this. I'm not sure if the electrical contact of the tilt bob is inconsistent or if the software is somehow missing these. If I can stay motivated long enough, I plan to hook up an oscilloscope to see if it can see switch closures when this happens.

Herg, you are the man! Keep us posted on what you find out.

I have found 1500ms to be the best debounce. Worth mention that Ben Heck and I actually determined 1200 to be the typical debounce in B/W games. I also notice that IRMN is set to 1000ms as default.

I have found that a medium set plumb bob position with 1500ms to be about perfect on TNA. You can get away with 1 big move that results in a double danger. I believe Scott will be tweaking future code to ensure that tilts can still happen during bonus count up and then tilt debounce ramps up as soon as it flips to next player to help reduce dangers on next player form a big move during draining by previous player.

I’m surprised how long tilt bobs have stayed around. I would like to see a manufacturer use a digital sensor for this. It would likely be more consistent and more “fair”.

Interestingly, the p3-roc has a 3 axis accelerometer. It would be cool if Scott could combine that with the physical tilt bob to get more accurate readings.

Multiple types of digital sensors have been used in virtual cabs and none have ever really worked as well as a traditional tilt bob.

I have thought about playing around with this, but just not have had time yet. Not sure why the tilt bobs on these games move so much. The earplug mod worked really well for my production machine though.

I'm way behind you and I just emailed her and she wrote back in 5 minutes that they would add it to my build. I would do it now so you dont get delayed.

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I'll be sure to give this a try. Maybe the foam I used was just too dense, or maybe my bob was just not adjusted right. With the foam, I got a max of two warnings, no matter how hard I pushed. If I then tried to move the bob up tighter, the shaker was setting it off.

#174 here, I emailed her last night and she responded immediately to confirm my add on. Probably best to let them know sooner rather than later in case they order parts in batches.

On slowing tilt bobs down-
I have flipped the tilt bob upside down on some of my machines. You have to remove the ring. Slide the tilt bob on (cone pointing down) then reattach the ring.
It recovers faster(stops moving.) The weight has less leverage this way.
It doesn’t work on all machines, some don’t have the room, not sure about TNA.

I did this on my TNA on location to help with the Ghost Warnings. Don't have any scientific measurements to prove that it helped but it seemed to.

What was the price for the speaker kits?

Is calling KT the only way to get the speaker kit? I already have my game and would prefer to order online and not bother them, but I couldn't find it listed at either Spooky or Pinball Life.

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