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Total Nuclear Annihilation production by Spooky Pinball


By Grizlyrig

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“Would you buy this if Spooky Pinball built it? How much would you be willing to pay?”

  • Yes 156 votes
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  • Maybe 186 votes
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  • $5500-5750 324 votes
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  • $5751-6000 98 votes
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#5301 1 year ago

Yes!!! Closer and closer!!! I'm excited!

#5302 1 year ago
Quoted from crwjumper:

I got my “invite” to pay for the remainder for my game which will go on the line “soon”. Woo-hoo! The wait is almost over!
(#124)

Quoted from 27dnast:

Money sent for #126!

??? I'm #120 and haven't heard anything yet!

#5303 1 year ago
Quoted from Rasavage:

??? I'm #120 and haven't heard anything yet!

Mine is going in early (possibly) - which doesn’t mean the game is coming any earlier. Just means the money has been sent.

#5304 1 year ago

Butter cab vs decals? Location vs home?

#5305 1 year ago
Quoted from Rasavage:

??? I'm #120 and haven't heard anything yet!

No TNA for you!

#5306 1 year ago

First time playing TNA last night (@VUK in Bethesda, MD). Oh man I want this game, just not 6K want this. I destroyed 5 reactors on the first ball, and somehow still failed to join the ranks of Bowen and Karl. Damnit

#5307 1 year ago

Was going to buy one of these but they are now quoting new buyers a fall time frame. I think slow production is going to hurt spooky in the long run as there will be probably 4 new pins out or announced by then. It’s too bad there is such a long turn around

#5308 1 year ago
Quoted from venom112:

Was going to buy one of these but they are now quoting new buyers a fall time frame. I think slow production is going to hurt spooky in the long run as there will be probably 4 new pins out or announced by then. It’s too bad there is such a long turn around

patience, patience... its a virtue you know, good things take time, the fall will be here before you know it... kind of like lay-away Christmas presents, buy now, pay the rest down right before and enjoy a sweet gift to yourself... you'll be kicking yourself come fall and you're not in line

#5309 1 year ago
Quoted from 27dnast:

Money sent for #126!

I'm 132 and my bowels just loosened a little bit.

#5310 1 year ago
Quoted from venom112:

Was going to buy one of these but they are now quoting new buyers a fall time frame. I think slow production is going to hurt spooky in the long run as there will be probably 4 new pins out or announced by then. It’s too bad there is such a long turn around

Perhaps, but they are a small (but growing) company. They seem to be stable, which in the world of startup pinball companies is probably what's most important.

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#5311 1 year ago
Quoted from venom112:

Was going to buy one of these but they are now quoting new buyers a fall time frame. I think slow production is going to hurt spooky in the long run as there will be probably 4 new pins out or announced by then. It’s too bad there is such a long turn around

There may be 4 new games coming out, but none of them are TNA.

#5312 1 year ago
Quoted from venom112:

Was going to buy one of these but they are now quoting new buyers a fall time frame. I think slow production is going to hurt spooky in the long run as there will be probably 4 new pins out or announced by then. It’s too bad there is such a long turn around

I’m in the same boat. I order a POTC which won’t ship until August. So looking to add a second pin now.

Problem is I don’t like any of the Stern’s. I keep trying to talk myself into starwars. But can’t. I don’t like the woz or hobbit.

So I decided on TNA after watching all the buzz at TPF. But nope. 6 month line.

So now trying to figure out what I want as pin 2.

#5313 1 year ago
Quoted from OnTheSnap:

I’m in the same boat. I order a POTC which won’t ship until August. So looking to add a second pin now.
Problem is I don’t like any of the Stern’s. I keep trying to talk myself into starwars. But can’t. I don’t like the woz or hobbit.
So I decided on TNA after watching all the buzz at TPF. But nope. 6 month line.
So now trying to figure out what I want as pin 2.

If you need a second pin ASAP just order a TNA now. Take the 5k buy a Williams
Dmd for some fun for now and sell it come fall to pay for TNA.

#5314 1 year ago

#153! Can't wait to be all like...

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#5315 1 year ago
Quoted from Whridlsoncestood:

If you need a second pin ASAP just order a TNA now. Take the 5k buy a Williams
Dmd for some fun for now and sell it come fall to pay for TNA.

Which one? MMR? They seem to be going for $8K. Which may as well get a modern pin. Since I’m new to the hobby not so much into the older machines yet.

Hmm. Really a bummer I can’t buy a TNA off the shelf.

#5316 1 year ago

Just ordered! #364

I know this has been gone over before but what are ya'll getting added? Knocker kit and what else?

#5317 1 year ago
Quoted from Titan_Pinball:

Just ordered! #364
I know this has been gone over before but what are ya'll getting added? Knocker kit and what else?

Shaker.. after playing it w/ shaker at TPF.. this is a must have. When the reactor is close to critical, it's a dull vibrate.. and really adds to the experience.

#5318 1 year ago
Quoted from OnTheSnap:

Which one? MMR? They seem to be going for $8K. Which may as well get a modern pin. Since I’m new to the hobby not so much into the older machines yet.
Hmm. Really a bummer I can’t buy a TNA off the shelf.

You could try to put out a wanted ad for the game . Not many out there at this point and a lot of people seem to be holding on to theirs . Maybe someone with an earlier spot wants out or must back out for one reason or another . No harm in trying the wanted ad , it may find something for you .

#5319 1 year ago
Quoted from Titan_Pinball:

Just ordered! #364
I know this has been gone over before but what are ya'll getting added? Knocker kit and what else?

With the light show in this game, mirror blades are a must.

#5320 1 year ago
Quoted from trilogybeer:

You could try to put out a wanted ad for the game . Not many out there at this point and a lot of people seem to be holding on to theirs . Maybe someone with an earlier spot wants out or must back out for one reason or another . No harm in trying the wanted ad , it may find something for you .

Good idea.

Input out an add offering $1500 for someone’s $1000 place in line. Maybe some incentive for someone that doesn’t mind waiting and making a profit?

I will go higher if the place in line is an imminent build. .

Yay Spooky for making a great game.

#5321 1 year ago
Quoted from Titan_Pinball:

Just ordered! #364

Thanks for posting your number and congratulations!

#5322 1 year ago
Quoted from Titan_Pinball:

Knocker kit and what else?

When they are available the speaker grill/light kit is a nice addition.

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#5323 1 year ago

Thanks for all the advice, and the congrats! I'll get the knocker, shaker and mirror blades for now and the grilles when they are available. Can't wait! I have really been wanting one since I played the white wood last year. If I get it in time I'll bring it to the Houston show in October.

#5324 1 year ago
Quoted from OnTheSnap:

Which one? MMR? They seem to be going for $8K. Which may as well get a modern pin. Since I’m new to the hobby not so much into the older machines yet.
Hmm. Really a bummer I can’t buy a TNA off the shelf.

Just go buy a classic game from the 80s or a 90s DMD... TONS of awesome games under $5K

Quoted from Titan_Pinball:

Thanks for all the advice, and the congrats! I'll get the knocker, shaker and mirror blades for now and the grilles when they are available. Can't wait! I have really been wanting one since I played the white wood last year. If I get it in time I'll bring it to the Houston show in October.

They'll install plastic protectors at factory... forget the additional cost, tho

#5325 1 year ago
Quoted from Rasavage:

??? I'm #120 and haven't heard anything yet!

yikes, i ordered in January and I'm #294. gonna be a while!

#5326 1 year ago
Quoted from OnTheSnap:

Which one? MMR? They seem to be going for $8K. Which may as well get a modern pin. Since I’m new to the hobby not so much into the older machines yet.
Hmm. Really a bummer I can’t buy a TNA off the shelf.

I'm with you....I was quoted a fall delivery....I've been burned before so never again will I put down a big $1000 deposit on a game (Alien, BL)....not saying they won't deliver, but a 6 month wait time on a game thats already been in production is a bit long...I'll wait and buy one on the secondary market or one that a distributor has in stock....

#5327 1 year ago
Quoted from venom112:

Was going to buy one of these but they are now quoting new buyers a fall time frame. I think slow production is going to hurt spooky in the long run as there will be probably 4 new pins out or announced by then

So what you're saying is Spooky is being hurt because there's a long wait because so many people are ordering their games?

They're building organically at the right speed for them. If you don't want to be patient that's fine, but it's actually your problem, not Spooky's.

#5328 1 year ago

I don’t think it’s fair to compare putting down $1k to Spooky compared to TBL and Alien. Spooky seems to be much more stable.

Boy some people need to learn a little patience. I’m #296 and yes it’s going to be a long wait but it’s not like playing TNA is the only thing I can think about doing until then!

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#5329 1 year ago
Quoted from Aurich:

So what you're saying is Spooky is being hurt because there's a long wait because so many people are ordering their games?
They're building organically at the right speed for them. If you don't want to be patient that's fine, but it's actually your problem, not Spooky's.

There is no doubt that having long lead times hurts the bottom line....I get organic growth, and thats great on their end. Their big mistake IMHO is the the $1K deposit....they should make it $250 and fully refundable. I guarantee their backlog would increase, and most consumers could care less about a $250 deposit, and the long lead time....

#5330 1 year ago

I think he's saying a lot can happen in 6 months...money in hand now, is better than uncertainty in the future.

#5331 1 year ago
Quoted from PtownPin:

There is no doubt that having long lead times hurts the bottom line....I get organic growth, and thats great on their end. Their big mistake IMHO is the the $1K deposit....they should make it $250 and fully refundable. I guarantee their backlog would increase, and most consumers could care less about a $250 deposit, and the long lead time....

I don’t understand fully refundable deposits. What’s the point? Just take no deposit and then not have to worry about the annoying refund stuff later if you wanted to go that route as a business. . Small refundable deposits do no good. Prople are impatient and pull out of their order the second a new shiny object comes along and then the huge parts order they just put in to make the games is on them with no games to build.

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#5332 1 year ago
Quoted from Whridlsoncestood:

I don’t understand fully refundable deposits. What’s the point? Just take no deposit and then not have to worry about the annoying refund stuff later if you wanted to go that route as a business. . Small refundable deposits do no good. Prople are impatient and pull out of their order the second a new shiny object comes along and then the huge parts order they just put in to make the games is on them with no games to build.

I get the why a company wants to book orders, and obtain a commitment with a deposit. I am sure it helps with cash flow, and keeps investors somewhat happy. That being said its a big risk with a small company. My only point is $250 isn't much, and reduces the consumer risk yet gives the company another booked order.

#5333 1 year ago

The list just seems to be getting longer so the wait isn't getting any shorter for anyone unless they jump in line. Distributors having these in stock is nowhere in sight at this point. As tempting as it would be to sell my spot I've had my months of waiting and I'm ready for some TNA

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#5334 1 year ago
Quoted from PtownPin:

There is no doubt that having long lead times hurts the bottom line....I get organic growth, and thats great on their end. Their big mistake IMHO is the the $1K deposit....they should make it $250 and fully refundable. I guarantee their backlog would increase, and most consumers could care less about a $250 deposit, and the long lead time....

This makes no sense. So you want shorter lead times but you also want a smaller deposit that you guarantee will increase orders and only lengthen the lead time.

I don't think Spooky wants all of the jump in now and feel important folks that can't wait however long for a game. The 1K deposit is fine and will not prevent anyone that wants one from getting one. It's designed to prevent some of the impulse people from jumping in and then waffling 2 weeks later.

#5335 1 year ago

Sorry if I missed it, but has Spooky talked about how TNA/Alice Cooper will effect shipping times for each other? Are they going to be building both at the same time? Are new TNA orders 6+ months out due to Alice Cooper? Will one take priority over the other? If current TNA orders are 6+ months out, how long will it take for the higher numbered (300+) Alice Cooper machines to ship?

Sorry - maybe I should have posted this in the Alice Cooper thread

Thanks!

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#5336 1 year ago
Quoted from jgentry:

This makes no sense. So you want shorter lead times but you also want a smaller deposit that you guarantee will increase orders and only lengthen the lead time.
I don't think Spooky wants all of the jump in now and feel important folks that can't wait however long for a game. The 1K deposit is fine and will not prevent anyone that wants one from getting one. It's designed to prevent some of the impulse people from jumping in and then waffling 2 weeks later.

As someone who has started, and sold many companies from the ground up it makes all the sense in the world....I never said I wanted shorter lead times nor would the smaller deposit enable that (clearly it would not). What I said was their lead times are 6 + months, and $1K deposit comes with a much higher risk with a small start up company...losing potential customers at this stage of a company is never a good idea.

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#5337 1 year ago
Quoted from PtownPin:

There is no doubt that having long lead times hurts the bottom line....

Nonsense. This isn't fantasy land where you just fulfill all orders overnight and swim in the money. How exactly does that happen? Suddenly a huge factory filled with workers and parts just appears? And if it did, then what? You have to keep pumping out product to keep that all going. That would be a disaster, not some boon to the bottom line.

I get organic growth, and thats great on their end.

Is is great on their end. It's not great for impatient people, what you're basically saying is "I don't want to wait". TNA is a great game, be nice if you could have one tomorrow. But such is life with boutique pinball, Stern ain't making anything like it.

Their big mistake IMHO is the the $1K deposit....they should make it $250 and fully refundable. I guarantee their backlog would increase, and most consumers could care less about a $250 deposit, and the long lead time....

So wait, the problem is they have a long lead time, but you want to make it longer? It sounds to me like you just don't want to pony up $1000. Which is fine, no one is making you, but you're couching all this like it's good for Spooky, when it's really about what's good for you.

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#5338 1 year ago

They previously had fully refundable deposits on Rob Zombie and a lot of people burned them by pulling their money out. The reality is that $1000 basically pays for some of the parts of your game. That way if you back out at least some of the parts are paid for, and it now becomes your responsibility, not theirs to get someone to take over your spot if you decide to change your mind. You may see it as a disadvantage but I see it as being smart and covering their own asses. I've literally done as described above. Paid my $1000 deposit for AMH and Rob Zombie, bought x-men, flinstones, and WCS while I waited for those games to get built and sold them when my game was coming to line at Spooky. Allowing everyone to get refunds would be far riskier for the startup business.

And I will be honest, TNA is worth the wait.

#5339 1 year ago
Quoted from Aurich:

So what you're saying is Spooky is being hurt because there's a long wait because so many people are ordering their games?
They're building organically at the right speed for them. If you don't want to be patient that's fine, but it's actually your problem, not Spooky's.

No what I am saying is I don’t want to tie up 1000 dollars non refundable for a game that I won’t get for 6 months.its not just a matter of how many orders they have it is that they can not meet the demand within a reasonable time frame. I lf I could pay and get one within a month or two that is what I consider a reasonable expectation. With all of the completion out there now and so many great games around the corner I just feel like they could sell 1000’s of these if they were able to get them out faster. Instead people will buy something they can get now or within a reasonable time frame. Just my opinion. I think spooky is doing a great job and there games look great I am just not going to wait half a year and tie up money to get it.

#5340 1 year ago
Quoted from venom112:

No what I am saying is I don’t want to tie up 1000 dollars non refundable for a game that I won’t get for 6 months.its not just a matter of how many orders they have it is that they can not meet the demand within a reasonable time frame. I lf I could pay and get one within a month or two that is what I consider a reasonable expectation. With all of the completion out there now and so many great games around the corner I just feel like they could sell 1000’s of these if they were able to get them out faster. Instead people will buy something they can get now or within a reasonable time frame. Just my opinion. I think spooky is doing a great job and there games look great I am just not going to wait half a year and tie up money to get it.

Just to your point, I've purchased 3 Spooky titles all NIB, all three have been delivered 1-2 months earlier than quoted time. I'm sure it doesn't always happen, but I had to wait several months for my Wrestlemania LE from stern and that required more money down, and had more problems once I received the game than any of my Spooky titles. JJP people started paying in October for Pirates and no one has one yet. The only company who can really do the pay now get game within a month or so seems to be Stern, and that is still usually just for the pro models. I think you are struggling to comprehend the reality of the pinball market right now. Sure you can get some stern games NIB but they have been building them for months or years already and that is why.

#5341 1 year ago
Quoted from Tsskinne:

Just to your point, I've purchased 3 Spooky titles all NIB, all three have been delivered 1-2 months earlier than quoted time. I'm sure it doesn't always happen, but I had to wait several months for my Wrestlemania LE from stern and that required more money down, and had more problems once I received the game than any of my Spooky titles. JJP people started paying in October for Pirates and no one has one yet. The only company who can really do the pay now get game within a month or so seems to be Stern, and that is still usually just for the pro models. I think you are struggling to comprehend the reality of the pinball market right now. Sure you can get some stern games NIB but they have been building them for months or years already and that is why.

I understand this point but this is a game that they have currently in production it is not in the testing phase or just a concept.

#5342 1 year ago

“Tying up” a $1,000 is inconsequential in the pinball world. I’m glad after RZ they have gone to this model, keeps out the non commited buyers so I can get my game faster.

#5343 1 year ago

On a positive note TNA is a surprise runaway hit with $350K in preorders. No doubt they can now scale the size of their production line to allow them to ship TNA and Alice simultaneously. Maintaining the current lead times and production.

Basically it means I’m the next months they need to double their capacity to maintain current delivery quotes. That’s already a huge task. And part of the fun of starting a company.

I definitely appreciate the situation. I helped start a networking company in Silicon Valley. Which has scaled now to a $2B run rate. It’s a crazy ride.

Anyway, I’m new to the hobby, and itch to have my second pin short term. The speed, style and shot making of TNA is what I want. I can’t have it.

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#5344 1 year ago
Quoted from OnTheSnap:

On a positive note TNA is a surprise runaway hit with $350K in preorders. No doubt they can now scale the size of their production line to allow them to ship TNA and Alice simultaneously. Maintaining the current lead times and production.
Basically it means I’m the next months they need to double their capacity to maintain current delivery quotes. That’s already a huge task. And part of the fun of starting a company.
I definitely appreciate the situation. I helped start a networking company in Silicon Valley. Which has scaled now to a $2B run rate. It’s a crazy ride.
Anyway, I’m new to the hobby, and itch to have my second pin short term. The speed, style and shot making of TNA is what I want. I can’t have it.

Every machine is for sale if you throw enough money at it. Heck, if you threw enough money at me, I would sell my prototype and whitewood. If you want to the game quickly, you can put out a WTB ad and see if anyone wants to sell.
--Scott

#5345 1 year ago
Quoted from OnTheSnap:

Anyway, I’m new to the hobby, and itch to have my second pin short term.

We've all been there, we all get it. I'm not mocking anyone who's impatient, waiting sucks, but it is what it is. I have my game because I paid my $1000, and I waited.

You'll learn later that getting games fast isn't the best way to do it, that it's better to have the right ones. But you can't learn that from me typing, you gotta figure it out yourself.

#5346 1 year ago
Quoted from Aurich:

I'm not mocking anyone who's impatient

Good. Because I'm just going into a self induced coma till mine gets here.

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#5347 1 year ago
Quoted from Aurich:

waiting sucks, but it is what it is.

Man, TNA was the easiest wait I’ve ever had on a NIB machine.
You guys want to really wait?
Take a time machine back to early 2011, put even more money down and wait patiently (while still making payments!) for your WOZ to show up!

Pinheads these days!

#5348 1 year ago
Quoted from NimblePin:

Take a time machine back to early 2011, put even more money down and wait patiently for your WOZ to show up!

I remember that!

And then our buddy just bought one spur of the moment while you were still waiting.

#5349 1 year ago

And it didn’t bother me one bit...
Now Hobbit on the other hand with it’s blantant “new-customer-line-jumping-promo-parties”, was a completely different story.
That $#!t was a slap in the face to the early pre-orderers.

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#5350 1 year ago

I just checked my records because I was curious, with all these OMG I CAN'T WAIT posts.

I reserved my TNA spot on July 28th 2017, $1000 down.

I paid in full February 8th 2018.

So even though I got in early I waited the same 6 months people are talking about. You don't want to do it? Don't. But those of us who have the game did it, so don't look for a lot of sympathy.

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