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TOM Trunk Error - Leon's Fix. NOW AVAILABLE, SEE POST #225


By EvanDickson

3 years ago



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#51 3 years ago

I'm in for one - Thank you

#52 3 years ago

I'm in for one - thank you

#53 3 years ago

Great idea! Count me in as well.

#54 3 years ago

Here is the list:

njgsx96
DavidPinballWizz
Magicchiz
canea
lyzanxia
CraigC
MMP
bstyles
Rum-Z
EvanDickson
Kiwipinhead
DB62
Out-West
PinBallMagician
jsa (2)
rotordave
EternalLife
Bskinner46
Q-Dog

#55 3 years ago

I'm in for one.

#56 3 years ago

Me too. And happy pay for the Effort!

#57 3 years ago

While we wait for Ingo's proto I made a quick video of the error as it appears in my game during Spirit Cards. Not sure if this error appears during other illusions, but I've never seen it on video before, so here you go. Action is at 1:25 if you don't want to listen to me babble and sorry for the crap quality video, ack.

#58 3 years ago
Quoted from canea:

While we wait for Ingo's proto I made a quick video of the error as it appears in my game during Spirit Cards. Not sure if this error appears during other illusions, but I've never seen it on video before, so here you go. Action is at 1:25 if you don't want to listen to me babble and sorry for the crap quality video, ack.
» YouTube video

Thanks for the video. That's exactly what mine does, constantly.

I never knew it was a known error. Hopefully this board will fix it!

rd

#59 3 years ago

If this only happens when trunk is rotating clockwise, then this would be a solution for the diodes as well.
leon mod.JPG

Does this happen in all software versions ?

#60 3 years ago
Quoted from rotordave:

I never knew it was a known error. Hopefully this board will fix it!
rd

I'm just talking out my ass. Not sure if it's considered an error or just too much rigidity in the programming? Either way, man, is it annoying. The better you are at the game, the more automatically you lob the ball right back at the trunk, and the more likely you'll be getting the trunk disabled. Can't tell you how many great games this has ruined for me.

I suppose it's best to check everything before worrying about this, but I've been through new opto, new interruptor, and new gearbox/motor and still have this problem. So, this should be the fix we've all dreamed of...

#61 3 years ago

Pff that video finally made me understand. I own a TOM as well, but I thought it was like an added bonus if you were quick enough to hit the trunk while it was rotating to start the illusion instead of hitting the hole while it was stationary. It much easier to hit the trunk sensor than the hole. I never even had that trunk error.

Wel, should I ever encounter it and if it annoys me, at least I know how to counter it. I'll slap my own board on it when the time comes.

#62 3 years ago
Quoted from FreeBee:

Pff that video finally made me understand. I own a TOM as well, but I thought it was like an added bonus if you were quick enough to hit the trunk while it was rotating to start the illusion instead of hitting the hole while it was stationary. It much easier to hit the trunk sensor than the hole. I never even had that trunk error.
Wel, should I ever encounter it and if it annoys me, at least I know how to counter it. I'll slap my own board on it when the time comes.

It is kind of a good thing - a way to shortcut having to hit the ball into the trunk to start the illusion. With the new board, that option will be gone the way I understand it. But ah well, everyone complains that Theatre is too easy anyway...

#63 3 years ago

I'm in for one as well.

#64 3 years ago

Updated list:

njgsx96
DavidPinballWizz
Magicchiz
canea
lyzanxia

CraigC
MMP
bstyles (2x)
Rum-Z
EvanDickson

Kiwipinhead
DB62
Out-West
PinBallMagician
jsa (2x)

rotordave
EternalLife
Bskinner46
Q-Dog
kungfucop

MT45
Atomicboy

#65 3 years ago

You can count me in for 4 for sure and waiting to hear back from one more local collector who has a TOM as well. Thanks again for doing this and can't wait to address this trunk error once and for all.

*edited*

count me in for 5 total please

#66 3 years ago

I watched the video and realized what was happening with my TOM. Sign my up (+1) for a board.
Reynolds 531

#67 3 years ago

Please add me to the list. Thanks!

#68 3 years ago

It's pretty cool seeing that there's game-specific mods/fixes that can draw a lot of attention like this even on the older games... when there's a large enough issue that needs to be solved *OR* it adds to the game in some way. Nice job!

#69 3 years ago

Put me down for one (1) board please.

Nice looking board etch and layout BTW.

#70 3 years ago

Updated list:
njgsx96
DavidPinballWizz
Magicchiz
canea
lyzanxia
CraigC
MMP
bstyles (2x)
Rum-Z
EvanDickson
Kiwipinhead
DB62
Out-West
PinBallMagician
jsa (2x)
rotordave
EternalLife
Bskinner46
Q-Dog
kungfucop
MT458
Atomicboy
mwong168 (4x)
reynolds531
xfassa
cal50

I will show you the etched prototype board tomorrow morning.

#71 3 years ago

I want one also please

#72 3 years ago

Please add me to the list. Thanks!

#73 3 years ago

Guess I'll take one too. Haven't noticed the problem but maybe one time but looks like I should jump on board.

#74 3 years ago

I'm in for one.

Thanks.

#77 3 years ago

I would like one, too!

#78 3 years ago

Count me in. Thanks for the heads up Cal50

#79 3 years ago

german-pinball can you please update me for 6 pieces please

#80 3 years ago

I'd love to be added to this list as well.
Put me down for one.
Brilliant fix guys!

#81 3 years ago

Please change my order from 1 to 2 of these!!! THANKS!
DB62

#82 3 years ago

Please put me down for 1 complete board too thank you.

#83 3 years ago

This is the always UP-TO-DATE List:

njgsx96 (*)
Magicchiz (*)
canea (*)
lyzanxia (*)
CraigC (*)
MMP
bstyles (2x) (*)
Rum-Z (*)
EvanDickson (*)
Kiwipinhead
DB62 (*)
Out-West (*)
PinBallMagician (*)
jsa (2x) (*)
rotordave (*)
EternalLife (*)
Bskinner46 (*)
Q-Dog (*)
kungfucop (*)
MT458
Atomicboy (*)
mwong168 (6x) (*)
reynolds531
xfassa
cal50 (*)
markmon
TowMater
gliebig (*)
Mank (*)
Eddie (2x) (*)
lyonsden (*)
schonb25 (*)
Skypilot (*)
Ranhorton (*)
mjfisher (*)
RVH
mamemaster
kmoore88
Methos
Gotpins (*)
chriskd (*)
Latinfantom
wimpinball (5x)
MSN22
RobertWinter (*)
Mhulsebu (*)
not4tilts (*)
rcarlson (4x) (*)
2manypins
DallasPinball (*)
Trooper11040
Spencer
angus
blueman01 (2x) (*)
Radius118 (*)
PittPin (*)
flugs (*)
pinballinreno (*)
MnHotRod (*)
larrys1 (*)
Starwriter (*) (*)
Sijcolo (*)
macci (*)
dgarrett (*)
jeppepupu (*)
tonycip (*)
Pinballflare (*)
JoeGrenuk (*)
epthegeek (*)
msj2222 (*)
FreeBee (*)
littlecammi (*)
Trifle (*)
ikaruga007 (*)
GreenMachine19 (*)
winslow (*)
gordonbowar (*)(*)
nightsearcher (*)
Chemixtry (*)
johnbtcb (*)
Jvspin (*)
jk (*)
hedghog (*)
oscarspa (*)
RandomKG (*)
orbian (*) (*)
dMode (*)
Wisconsinpinball
kse001 (*)
Beeble (*)
CHighfill (*)
Malibu-SS (*)
tomterlec (*)
dudah (*)
bhwolf (*)
MikeHogue (*)
pinfrank76 (*)
flashman (*)
okletsgo (*)
burtcam (*)
JosiahCox
PinballHelp (*)
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Bantam (*)
ibuypinballs (*)
nickbuol (*)
Bramvk (*)
Skarv (*)
....
krunch (*)
meSz (*)
ski1game2 (*)
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...
Genetic2000 (*)
tomtest (*)
volkdrive (*)
Mtg381 (*)
mdclips (*)
...
grs57f (*)
SFEastBayDave (*)
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nd4spd (*)
sirlonzelot (*)
...
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NoMonkey (*)
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JOETECH (*)
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...
pinjunky (*)
Goalie (*)

ALL SHIPPED

++++++++++

jyeakley (*)

#84 3 years ago

You know, you can just add the list to the first post and update it there instead on a new post each time

I got a feeling you are going to at least double the current amount soon.

#85 3 years ago
Quoted from Atomicboy:

You know, you can just add the list to the first post and update it there instead on a new post each time
I got a feeling you are going to at least double the current amount soon.

Once you get the proto made, Ingo, probably should start a new thread and reserve a couple spaces on it. The title on this one might be a little confusing and no doubt more people would be interested if they knew they could be signing up to buy a board.

#86 3 years ago

Add me on the list please, don't wanna be left out.

#87 3 years ago

Here is the etched prototype-pcb.

Tomorrow I will cut the outlines and drill the holes, in 2 days, the parts should arrive and the the proto goes to canea.

Here we go:

Proto PCB 1-min.JPG

Proto PCB 2-min.JPG

proto xxx.JPG

As you can see, on this proto I have forseen a few jumpers, so canea can do his tests with the layout of Leon and additionally switch the LEDs individually and switch the flyback diodes.

#88 3 years ago
Quoted from zaza:

BI-DIRECTIONAL motor control

#89 3 years ago

Tom is my only keeper....i want one too please!

#90 3 years ago
Quoted from zaza:

BI-DIRECTIONAL motor control

@zaza:

I have routed the prototype like this.

leon TOM diodes.JPG

Any reservations? If yes, please tell me why.

#91 3 years ago

@all:

Here is HOW IT WORKS - pretty simple, isn´t it?

Motor off.JPG

Motor on.JPG

#92 3 years ago

I made a quick test setup to see if the diodes have any negative effect on the motor "brake" and they didn't.
So it is safe to use the flyback diodes.

test 123.jpg

The only thing I would change is the white text on the PCB at J2(-N) saying "20 Volt" and "GND" because:
1st - it is 12Volt and
2nd - the polarity changes when when motor is driven CCW or CW
so to avoid confusion call it something like motor a' and b'
motor a + b.JPG
label1.jpg

#93 3 years ago

Thanks for all this initiative and work guys, this is a great, well needed fix.

#94 3 years ago

Who do we contact to nominate German-Pinball for the Nobel Prize in electrical engineering?

#95 3 years ago
Quoted from german-pinball:

Updated list:
njgsx96
DavidPinballWizz
Magicchiz
canea
lyzanxia
CraigC
MMP
bstyles (2x)
Rum-Z
EvanDickson
Kiwipinhead
DB62 (2x)
Out-West
PinBallMagician
jsa (2x)
rotordave
EternalLife
Bskinner46
Q-Dog
kungfucop
MT458
Atomicboy
mwong168 (6x)
reynolds531
xfassa
cal50
markmon
TowMater
gliebig
Mank
Eddie (2x)
lyonsden
schonb25
Skypilot
Ranhorton
mjfisher

Me too: kmoore88

Thanks!

#96 3 years ago

Please add me to the list. Great idea!

#97 3 years ago
Quoted from Ranhorton:

Who do we contact to nominate German-Pinball for the Nobel Prize in electrical engineering?

Here is the man, who alone has to get all honor - LEON from belgium (RIP) - the best pinball-expert ever and one of the nicest persons I ever knew.

http://www.flippers.be/leon_borre.html

#98 3 years ago
Quoted from german-pinball:

Here is the man, who alone has to get all honor - LEON from belgium (RIP) - the best pinball-expert ever and one of the nicest persons I ever knew.
http://www.flippers.be/leon_borre.html

I salute you German-Pinball as so few ever give credit to anyone anymore.

#99 3 years ago
Quoted from zaza:

I made a quick test setup to see if the diodes have any negative effect on the motor "brake" and they didn't.
So it is safe to use the flyback diodes.
test 123.jpg
The only thing I would change is the white text on the PCB at J2(-N) saying "20 Volt" and "GND" because:
1st - it is 12Volt and
2nd - the polarity changes when when motor is driven CCW or CW
so to avoid confusion call it something like motor a' and b'
motor a + b.JPG
label1.jpg

@zaza:
Many thanks for the hints and your really really nice grafics.

Indeed, there is no 20V, but 12VDC (exact 12,38VDC - measured by canea). The manual is very misleading here:

TOM no 20VDC.JPG

I will change the silkscreen on the final board to "cw" and "ccw".

I think, Leon himself was als misleaded here a bit, because he uses a 24V relay, imho a 12V relay would be sufficient in this application.

By the way - the status LEDs are a bit playing and a gimmick to the board. I would prefer, to connect them as shown in post #90, but there are many ways, to connect the LEDs:

TOM LEDs.JPG

Any suggestion from your side??

#100 3 years ago

I'll take one! Add me to the list please!

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