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TOM J120 connector help

By Zildjian

2 years ago


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#1 2 years ago

Hey,
I’m changing out the bulbs on all the machines we have and noticed Theatre of Magic back glass lights is completely off. I opened up the back glass and swapped a bulb out and nothing.. searched on google and noticed a thread about the j120 connector was the issue for their machine.. I just looked at our J120 connector and it has burn marks and is very hot. Is this worth switching out the connector just to have it happen again? should I just switch to all leds?

Not sure what to do here. Any help would be great. Thanks in advance

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#2 2 years ago
Quoted from Zildjian:

Any help would be great.

Ed has the parts and tools you need. Size .156 - https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/

You need new connector, new pins in connector, and new pins on the board.

Once it started burning it will only get worse.

LTG : )

#3 2 years ago
Quoted from Zildjian:

Any help would be great.

Fix J121 while you are at it. Somebody already hacked the right side.

LTG : )

#4 2 years ago

You have no light bulbs on AND the connector is burning and getting hot?? Check the bulbs again. Are they perhaps really dim? If they are not on at all, then there may be a different problem. The heat is caused by current being drawn, but with no light bulbs illuminated, then where is that power going? You'll need to find that.

#5 2 years ago
Quoted from Markharris2000:

You have no light bulbs on AND the connector is burning and getting hot?? Check the bulbs again. Are they perhaps really dim? If they are not on at all, then there may be a different problem.

There isn't a different problem. Williams used connectors for GI ( backbox and playfield ) that weren't rated for the current going through them.

This is a known issue for a lot of games. New connector, new pins in connector, new pins on the board. In home use will last a very long time.

LTG : )

#6 2 years ago

The two green wires on J121 pins 1 and 2 don't match the manual. Follow those wires to see what's going on there.

By the manual, you currently have female connector J121 attached to male connector J120 and vice versa. Ok because the connectors are wired in parallel, but heads up for when you get started. Do one pin at a time and you hopefully won't need the manual.

#7 2 years ago

If you don't have a manual. Pinwiki has a chart for color positions on J120 and J121. You may not have as many wires but they go in the same spots.

https://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Williams_WPC#General_Illumination_Problems

Study what phishrace posted about those two green wires cobbled in. As long as you are fixing this, may as well do it right.

LTG : )

#8 2 years ago

I think Ed is on hiatus until later this month, but if you are in a crunch feel free to DM me. I can send a housing and the pins you need.

#9 2 years ago
Quoted from Markharris2000:

You have no light bulbs on AND the connector is burning and getting hot?? Check the bulbs again. Are they perhaps really dim? If they are not on at all, then there may be a different problem. The heat is caused by current being drawn, but with no light bulbs illuminated, then where is that power going? You'll need to find that.

there's no current being drawn. the connector burned when current WAS being drawn, causing it to fail. thus, no lights now.

#10 2 years ago

I always go to GPE first but he was out of some of this stuff last time I looked. I ordered headers and housings from KsArcade.net last time. The cut to length headers are pretty handy.

This crimper was recommended as a good deal in another thread and it’s nice, much better than my cheap Waldom.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007JLN93S

#11 2 years ago

Thank you guys all for the quick comments!

I just added a bunch more photos in case anyone saw something else that needed attention on the board or wiring etc..

Hope to order everything soon and gets this pin back up and running again.

Thanks again,
-Zildjian

#12 2 years ago
Quoted from Zildjian:

Hope to order everything soon

The pins for inside the connector. Get trifurcon ones. Buy a lot of them. So you can sit at a table and practice before moving onto the machine.

LTG : )

#13 2 years ago
Quoted from LTG:

The pins for inside the connector. Get trifurcon ones. Buy a lot of them. So you can sit at a table and practice before moving onto the machine.
LTG : )

ill add them to the list, thank you!

#14 2 years ago

Replace those roasted GI connectors for sure, but keep an eye on them aftewards. It is possible for the header pins to have become damaged enough already that your nice new superior trifurcon connectors will also burn up over time. Check the connectors once or twice a year and see how they fare. If anything is overheating, you will need to replace the connector again plus the header pins. (Replacing the pins is a much bigger job--though still something nearly anyone can learn to do if they are willing to pay for the right tools.)

A previous owner hacked in a replacement battery... I have no idea what that thing is but it is easy enough to replace it with a normal 3x AA a remote battery pack. Whatever battery setup you use, get it off that board in case it leaks. (Lithium batteries are supposed to be leak proof and they haven't bitten me yet, but I still don't trust them 100%.)

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#15 1 year ago

i know this is an older thread but just getting around to ordering the parts now. If anyone else recommends anything not listed from the comments prior, please let me know.

Thank you all in advance for helping me out, means a lot

-Nick

#16 1 year ago

I would have NVRAM installed over a battery pack holder. No reason to have batteries in a TOM. There is not a midnight madness mode that depends on the real time clock in this game.

#17 1 year ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

I would have NVRAM installed over a battery pack holder. No reason to have batteries in a TOM. There is not a midnight madness mode that depends on the real time clock in this game.

Thank you, I appreciate the tip! I can’t wait to get this back up and running.

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#18 1 year ago
Quoted from horseflesh:

Replace those roasted GI connectors for sure, but keep an eye on them aftewards. It is possible for the header pins to have become damaged enough already that your nice new superior trifurcon connectors will also burn up over time. Check the connectors once or twice a year and see how they fare. If anything is overheating, you will need to replace the connector again plus the header pins. (Replacing the pins is a much bigger job--though still something nearly anyone can learn to do if they are willing to pay for the right tools.)
A previous owner hacked in a replacement battery... I have no idea what that thing is but it is easy enough to replace it with a normal 3x AA a remote battery pack. Whatever battery setup you use, get it off that board in case it leaks. (Lithium batteries are supposed to be leak proof and they haven't bitten me yet, but I still don't trust them 100%.)[quoted image]

I’m willing to pay for the right tools, what tools do you recommend to buy to complete this job? we’re going to order everything today.

Thanks in advance!

#19 1 year ago
Quoted from LTG:

Ed has the parts and tools you need. Size .156 - https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/
You need new connector, new pins in connector, and new pins on the board.
Once it started burning it will only get worse.
LTG : )

Hey, looks like Ed has retired before I was able to place my order. Do you recommend another website I can order from, for everything I would need for the parts and tools for this repair?

Thank you so much again

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