I find it amusing that "Editor" isn't man or woman enough to sign their actual name to their outrageous allegations. I also think they are not very smart to air their dirty laundry in such a detailed manner, in a public setting. Business 101.

Sounds like you have some top-notched talent there.

First thing Andrew, how can you lose my ad to spam, when I use your form, from your email you sent me to, to fill out and then when finished filling it out, it sent me to pay through PayPal for the ad I was placing with you?????

Yes I did get a call from Andrew.
Yes he did give me a apology.
Yes he did offer the free ad in a reprint of the first book and in next issue, but no refund was offered with that deal.
He told me I didn't have to make a decision right away, I could wait a couple of days to decide.

I did not use the words he said I used in the above post!!
Anybody that knows me, I do not talk that way.

I told him I didn't need a couple of days to decide, I wanted a refund now, he tried to convince me I didn't want a refund, that everything was going to be fixed, and better next issue.
I told Andrew that the way my ad was handled, even after Todd called him about my ad was not on the web site, and he told Todd that he did have the ad and it will happen.
I told Andrew how bad the editing was in his book, after just reading the first 10 pinball machines stories, I didn't see any profession quality or future in his book, and the way he runs a business, (no checks and balance on money received for ads, and number of ads placed in his book), and I didn't want to do any more business with him, and I just wanted a refund now, and YES, he then hung up on me as he said.

John Freel
Elkhart Pinball Inc.

Reading every word of this just sucks!
Business deals fail all the time but I had high hopes for this to come together.
Maybe the TNT's goofy crew that always does wacky stuff was not good for this venture but it's just the way they are.
I will always be a TNT fan and hope nothing changes and wish the crew all the best.
-Mike

Perhaps 10pm at night was not the best time to post SO MANY comments as a 'professional'.

Regardless of which mistakes were the fault whom, you don't exactly sound like the type of person I want to spend my money on period at this point.

If Todd was just a "freelance writer", that makes most ALL the problems with this your fault. From some of the first words of your post starting out with having to mention a lawyer, I could tell you were going to be one of guys that gets pissed off and posts horribly as a small business man getting defensive.

Popcorn show is right....

Best of luck with future books and your business model.

As one of your “dismal sales” this makes me.........truly saddened.

Holy crap. What a nightmare.

Nothing in pinball is ever easy, I guess.

You got that right.

Not once was the word BLAME, used in any of my past threads.

Stop trying to fuel a fire that doesn’t exist.

All of the writing submitted was by Todd, except the forward.
This is posted by Todd if you have been reading the threads

We only did a fast spell and grammar check on Todd’s writings, but left his writing as his writing. That is what he was contracted to do write and submit full ready to publish stories.

We only did a short run to test a few books. Most were sent off as free samples for review. A soft opening so to speak. This was to feel out the market, buyers and to understand our target audience.

We also spent over $8500.00 on presenting the book at the last expo, filming all the seminars for the viewers and gave away tons of free samples and on the trip itself.
Look at our pinball buzz website and how much time and energy has gone into it! Over 110,000 views so far, it does show people are interested.
Marketing is needed to learn the target audience.
We also just had a contest and gave away over 30 books.

We are not doing this as a full time job, but as an extra to help the pinball community. So please keep an open mind and stop baggering me on things that I am learning and trying to understand.

I run several companies an could be spending time with my six kids but am choosing to be a part of the pinball community to help others understand and enjoy pinball.

Andrew
Hope this clears up a few things.

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To the Editor of the book. Have you ever watched Todds video's, there are always banter and put down's in them. That's what you get as part of the video's . It's a close group of guys that have worked together for many years and meant in context.
Anyone buying your book because of seeing Todd's video's is buying because it's Todd doing the book, so would expect Todd and crew to be themselves.
I would hope at the least you would put the Dr Dude chapter up on your website, so those few who did purchase the wrong size book, paper, edited version can at least get that part of the book. It would be a small gesture for us beta book buyers.
Thanks.

Just send us your email and we will send you the Dr. Dude.

Well, I don't really have anything to say about the book, but this right here is a poor choice.

Enjoy that family, forget about trying to make a few bucks on a pinball book.

More orders backed up for vol 1, pre- sales for vol 2 and the calendar might prove you wrong.

At that rate, I can wait until my library has a copy.

well, it's still not as bad as Magic Girl

You should not be publishing a book if you think “freelance writers” should not go through the normal rigorous editing process.

I would hate to see how you manage your other companies.

Andrew - would there be a possibility of trading in the first editions for the improved second edition?

Wow......sad this went south. Had high hopes for the project initially like everybody else. On the bright side, those of us with a copy of the first print run now have a truly collectible piece of pinball history. lol

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Now that you updated volume one will you be replacing unhappy customer’s original copies?

Well, you definitely aren't in it for the good of pinball.

None of those sales will be me, I wish you best of luck.

Sounds like we have a hostage situation.

Actually, they don't know the rest of the story....but very shortly they will! Todd

I guess I should be thanking you for "helping" me then. Your attempting to provide a product to the Pinball community for profit, please stop trying to market it as "help". The feedback has been less than stellar for said product, take this feedback to improve the product. I for one, will not be giving you any money for your "help"

Enjoy those falsely bloated pre-sales while you can. Nobody is gonna touch these books pretty soon. You just bad mouthed a man with a stellar reputation in pinball for 40 years. I don't know if you know this but pinball players hold a grudge. How can you expect a man who never wrote a book before to do his own editing? That's your job! Not just spellcheck either. This is what happens when you cut corners and try to release a substandard product. Just keep blaming other people, you are making friends and sales real quick around here.

Don't mess with Texas.

I second this request!

This will be my last post here. I really do not do drama and have better things to do with my life than to read what if. what I should have done and what I should do.

Those of you who wish to contact me outside of the forum can do so through our website.

Mistakes and some errors yes ....
Dealing with Todd daily not wanting to change anything he wrote, a job and a half.
Spending time on perfecting the errors should amount for something.

I enjoyed working with Todd and he is what he is and I would have enjoyed continuing working with him, but when your contractor paints your house the wrong colour and uses different material and then tries to sell your house to help you out , you change contractors and move on.

I guess there are a few who Will always be colourful in their posts.
Bottom line we made several books and a majority of the readers loved them and reordered the second volume.

There will always be the negative ninny’s. so post away if you must.

On another note high quality book printing on a low few hundred run with this many pages will run upwards of $15.00 per book if not more and extra printer costs.
Then add in the shipping the books to our warehouse. Designing the book. Writers cuts.
Not much left. So that is how you end up with a $30.00 book.

I am sure you will hear different stories from our pissed off advertiser and I am sure from Todd himself will add what he thinks happened.
Well I guess that what forums are for to say you say and vent.
Editor....

Gone to play with my kids.

Total with shipping of my GORGEOUS "Pinball Magazine issue 5" was only a few bucks more....and looked a bit different than this 'book'...

I don't think your comments and excuses on how/why yours came our so poor looks too good for you; especially when compared to other publications in similar price range.

Yep....people going to be beating down the door with fistfulls of money to purchase more of these cuz "that is how you end up with a $30.00 book".

Signing your name "editor" screams of ego and small man syndrome.

All he had to write was "There are two sides to the story" and leave it at that.

And with such a poorly edited example, it's like signing as "auditor" at Enron.

I'm just hoping that we get to see more pictures of the family.

You can't be a bad person if you have a family.

PinballBuzz
If you ever go to another pinball show someone may stealthily sneak a photo of your back and post it for all of Pinside to see.

There are two side to every story and the truth usually lies in the middle.

Pinball Magazine,is nicer than most of the books I own.

I'm waiting for:

Half-baked, Bad Ideas in Pinball that End Poorly With Everyone Hating Each Other's Guts - 10 Volumes!

Not sure if 10 would be enough but a good start for sure.

Where's the pre-order link?

Definitely one of the most entertaining threads on Pinside!

The only thing I remember reading from Todd about this project was - 200 pages printed on full color, high gloss paper stock, so if cheaper newspaper stock was used for run one, that was an error in judgement. What makes the book worth collecting and justifies the price tag is having high quality printed pages, like Pinball Magazine. Whether that costs $30 per book is not relevant, it is a minimum quality need for success.

As for the editing errors, those were unfortunate. Most word processors have a spell check built in for free - use it. The second corrected printing should be automatically sent to all who received the first printing to make things right imo. Use the same mailing list.

Still better than the Stern book.

Interesting that those of us who were early purchasers were subjected to the cheap paper quality and after the first run everyone else gets the "proper paper". Had I known this I would have waited and purchased later........but had everyone known this there would have been no purchases and thus no second run. Still sounds like a crappy thing to do to those who are early to support your book - speaking to "Editor" not Todd.

Another pinball cash grab has gone awry, shocking.

Yeah....makes me even more interested in what I'm gonna get hopefully one day. At least I can say I have it though hopefully some day. I really don't want to take any sides here but I will try and stay impartial but I have met Todd and he is a great guy. Ummmm....hopefully this doesn't go in a court room? Good luck? I mean it just sorta blew up and then the Ron Burgundy photo was just there.

Speaking of families, here's part of our TNT Family that you know and
love from our YouTube channel! Today, we crossed 25,000 subscribers
and have millions of views - and that's because of our amazing viewers
and fans.

Thank you, all, for your continued support! We will try to have an
official response to Andrew's post by next week after conferring with
our lawyers.

Todd N. Tuckey

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Anyone else hoping to see another YouTube video, this time with Todd and the TNT crew tossing the remaining books off of his roof?

I called Todd once looking for a sea wolf......
Well we all know how that ended LOL
Just kidding

No joke, I FINALLY subscribed to the TNT youtube earlier today!

I'd like to think my contribution made this!

It was YOU that put us over 25,000!! Todd