Yeah we'll see. I know you and Mark mentioned that later production were much better but I know of two with xeno head issues that were in that group. I get your point though that the later ones where better. Even mine had a few issues in the beginning but 4 months of no issues before I sold so I understand the game can work. It's just that the game no longer has the company that built it behind it. That's the only part that irks me a little. Just not sure I want to get involved with that again but we'll see

The game is awesome though

Charlie you probably have hundreds more people who are ready to order a TNA when your lead time gets down to a few weeks instead of a few months.

Same situation as every Bally, Williams, Gottlieb, Alvin G and many more. That doesn’t make their games any less awesome.

I’d still be happy with Alien if the Xeno head didn’t work - it’s not that important to the gameplay overall - just a really neat effect.

Get one!

It works fine on my game, but I would be ok if it didn’t. I wouldn’t get rid of it if that were the case. Alien is very deep, immersive, dark and awesome. The head is really a very small part of the enjoyment.

And sorry for the detail - let’s get back to the impossible task of predicting future pinball prices.

That's normal on here. But for my 2 cents is alien sucks (good theme bad everything else)

Spooky made up drama or Alien circle jerk. Why pick when you can have both in one thread.

TNA is cool... about the first 10 times you play it. Then you realize it’s just not the phenomenal pin everyone told you about. It’s a cool concept and has a fantastic sound package but beyond that, it features 80’s pinball technology (with a bonus LCD thrown in as an afterthought) and it’s 6 grand. I don’t get it but I’m sure people will post after me to straighten me out and explain why everyone on Pinside should be buying one.

I know of two for sale by owners that seem to regret buying one right now and they do not seem to be moving.

Correct, that's Pinside for you. You just don't know who is doing the hyping. Dealers, manufacturers, designers, podcasters..sock puppets? Also the rating system is worthless. So the only way to be sure is to play a game for yourself.

That’s fine the game is not for everyone and you don’t care for it. But I would like to correct you on the pricing ,it costs 6 grand ( well actually $5,995) not 7 grand. Sure people can get add ons and get the price of the game up over 7 grand if they want . Only extra I got on mine was the plastic protectors for $35 so my game was just a tad over 6 thousand.

I corrected it. Two still for sale near me for SLIGHTLY less than new prices... waiting for the “skyrocket” to happen, LOL.

Spooky already said it has no limit. Agreed; that once they move on... the opportunities for new runs will reduce. But they have no license fees on that title... so conceivably they can do new runs when they get enough interested people. Given that Scott probably used stock PinballLife mechs for the entire game... I just don't see them not running these when the pool is big enough.

links please. I have a friend looking for one right now for a deal

People say the same thing about every game released. It was fun for 10 games, blah, blah, blah. Within 2 weeks there will be several used DP for sale. No game is for everyone and most people just like chasing the new toy more then playing it anyway.

Games get stale after a while, and could go down in value over NIB????? What a new revelation.

Certainly, but it's a bad sign when people sell before the company making the game can even get the ones that they have sold all shipped out to their customers.

Not when it takes 18 months to make them. How many people on pinside will have bought 4 NIB sterns in that same time frame and already sold 3 or more of them?

Or talking about why their toy or brand of toy is better than all the other.

can you please hook me up with the 2 that you know of for sale that are already going for a bargain?

I have looked all over all the usual spaces and can not find anything.

Don't do it @snyper2099. Give Hilton a taste of his own medicine since he always posts about how cheap he can get NIB games but never discloses where at to hook us up.

some people get it...

gotta love the thumbs up is like the sound "woosh" going over their heads

How many times have we watched the new *insert game here* wind up on the used market only days/weeks after it's been released? Some people don't like the game and decide to sell...others sell bc they can make a profit since there's always people who will want the newest game but don't want to wait. This is no different than any other new game release I've seen over the years. The fact is this looks to be the most demand for a Spooky game to date. Not everyone will like it, no question about that. A lot of people here seem to dislike it, but many here like it a lot. Thankfully we have no shortage of nib options these days!

I'm also curious where the TNA's your talking about are located, and how much they're asking. They may want to post their games on the market here if they haven't already, or see if anyone in the TNA threads is interested in getting one sooner.

I know a couple of people who would buy right now if they could skip the line and find good used games. It wouldn't be hard to offload a pair of TNAs if they just posted them for sale where anybody could see them.

Exactly. Not everyone in the pinball community uses Pinside or the internet (to sell or buy pinball machines) for that matter. Where did I say "a deal or bargain prices"? Never said any of this. They are a 100ish less than new. If that's a screaming deal, you are a rookie.

so you are saying you dont have contact info on these multiple TNAs at bargain prices???

How did someone without the internet even find out about TNA, much less figure out how to order one?

Seems like if that is the case you would be doing them a huge favor buy passing along some info to people that might want to buy them.

Did you see the TnA for 6k that was sitting last week? Maybe he was talking about that one

No one in my pinball circle or with any sense at all should have any problems buying or selling a TNA locally. Just calm down Pinsiders from surrounding states!

I'm doing them a huge favor NOT exposing them to the insanity on Pinside, that's for damn certain.

Where did I say they were looking for a deal? I said they would like to skip the line and just buy used. You're being awfully defensive and weird, man. You say you know two guys selling TNAs, people respond that they would have interest in buying them, and then you have no interest in helping these guys make a sale? Are you actually interested in helping people out in the hobby, or are you just being obtuse and rude for no good reason? Or do you even know of two games for sale?

Either you know two guys struggling to sell their games and don't want to help them out, or you don't actually know of two games for sale. Which is it?

That post was not directed at you, jar155.

I thought this thread was a discussion about wether the price of TNA will "skyrocket" in value. My mistake.

When you say "this machine", it can be applied to any new pin. The used pin market continues to soften for the very reason that you state: a lot more offerings by various manufacturers. Supply of pins overall has finally caught up to the high demand that we saw several years back. The days of buying a new pin and flipping it for a quick and easy profit are pretty much over.

Good. That has always been a contentious and needlessly painful part of the hobby. When we can just get back to buying games because we want to PLAY them, it will be so much better.

Depreciation is a fact of life. I guess we were lucky that games appreciated so reliably for as long as they did. My collection is worth more than double what I paid for it, but I'm sure that's going to slowly deflate over time, especially on the NIB games. Ah, well. It doesn't make them any less fun.

I wish I could be so spot on and concise.

There is a 3rd and 4th possibility that you did not consider. They don't want to deal with the potential harassment and drama from stalkers and weirdos on Pinside. Or, they just want to deal with local pinball people and weirdos on Craigslist instead.

You should swap Whysnow the TNA leads for the name of the distributor that consistently sells him new Sterns for hundreds less than anyone else can get them for.

I have spoken with the distributor about it. In short, you have to buy every new game that comes out in order to get the best prices.

Buy the last 15 games in a row and they may give you a deal also.

That said, everyone got the awesome deal that Marco was offering on all the Maiden show games. That was the best price I had ever seen. I should have bought 10 of them and sold them all at the shows for a mark up.

On topic, I think TNA was priced where it needed be to sell 500+ units. They could have probably priced it $500 or $1,000 higher, but Charlie choose to keep the costs down to hopefully sell at a higher volume. That seems to have worked. I know there are those that feel like it's a "simple" game, yet when it comes down to it, at the time, it was the most complex game to come off the line from Spooky. In terms of gameplay it's certainly not for everyone, which is also probably why it's successful. It's not competing head to head with anything else on the market. I think that will also be what drives it's future demand. I think it will settle into a resale value of slightly under retail. I don't see it skyrocketing or tanking.

I've never flipped games...Only bought the ones I wanted personally, but you seem spot on Rob.

Good to see you in the threads...I'll have to pm and catch up soon...mark

Market fluctuates so much that it could go either way on TNA.

Go to a pinball festival? Grab a brochure or business card?

As long as Spooky will be able to make more, the price will not skyrocket. Many people prefer buying new even at a slight increase from used.

If there was a finite number of TNA pins who can say, but it’s open ended production so imo the used market will not be greater than the nib price.

the one caveat being that if they take a long break then once again demand may out pace supply.

Assuming that post 550, it will be a year or 2 before they even opt to make an additional run (based on demand) and it takes Spooky a bit to change over everything given their size.

I personally think with only 550 to start that this game will solidify in most collections over time and you won see it change hands. Then steadily demand will increase and Spooky will run another batch. IN the time between, prices will likely rise. At the same time, given the pace of Stern NIB price hikes and the cost of other NIB games, 3 more releases and 6k will be the cost of a NIB pro.

I could also see SPooky needing to slightly increase price before they do any additional runs (inflation and increasing manufacturing costs a few years from now). That of course will also push prices on used games. Hard to predict, fun to discuss.

I am looking forward to my second TNA arriving by xmas or shortly after with any luck.

I have a couple of spots open in the 460's range if anyone would like to get in before the pause in production.

GREAT NEWS!!! It's still for sale! 6k!

Contact info = check the marketplace. Here's the link!

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-total-nuclear-annihilation-9#post-4574214

Thank me later.... ; )

ummm...
That is $5 more than NIB...

He said