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Time Machine plastic ramps melted. Customers wireform build

By Loganpinball

2 years ago


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#1 2 years ago

Took on a data east time machine with melted plastic ramps for a customer. He could not find any replacements and the game is unplayable, so he reached out and asked if I would wireform it. This is the project and I will post as it goes. Theres alot of plastic on this game!

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#2 2 years ago

Wow, what a bummer about those ramps. Any idea how they all got distorted? Just curious if sitting in bright sun might do it or if it was extreme heat from a fire.

Anything will be better than nothing. Good luck!

#3 2 years ago
Quoted from Gotpins:

Wow, what a bummer about those ramps. Any idea how they all got distorted? Just curious if sitting in bright sun might do it or if it was extreme heat from a fire.
Anything will be better than nothing. Good luck!

Same ^^

#4 2 years ago
Quoted from Gotpins:

Wow, what a bummer about those ramps. Any idea how they all got distorted? Just curious if sitting in bright sun might do it or if it was extreme heat from a fire.
Anything will be better than nothing. Good luck!

I was thinking it was out in the sun during transport. Stuff gets HOT in the back of a truck.

#5 2 years ago
Quoted from gdonovan:

I was thinking it was out in the sun during transport. Stuff gets HOT in the back of a truck.

I would bet that was cause.
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#6 2 years ago

Nice work....

Probably someones "flame polishing" gone wrong.

#7 2 years ago
Quoted from pinstyle:

Nice work....
Probably someones "flame polishing" gone wrong.

At the same time? Doubtful. Some of the plastics look slightly angry too.

#8 2 years ago

Those poor plastic ramps.. I've seen some slightly deformed because of a lamp, but nowhere near this..
Curious to see what the end result will be, good luck!

#9 2 years ago

They are melted and discolored. Either the sun or a heat source for sure.
Got the two left ramps sorted out on the wireform side. Need to plate and transition them to playfield next. I am not sure what he is going to do with the now exposed playfield below? I can cut a plastic out and have it in place, but with no artwork its going to stick out. I also could do stainless plate, but I am trying to keep costs reasonable. Any ideas for this area fire away! And I will add a top rod to match the data east one still on playfield.

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#10 2 years ago
Quoted from RobDutch:

Those poor plastic ramps.. I've seen some slightly deformed ramps because of a lamp, but nowhere near this..
Curious to see what the end result will be, good luck!

#11 2 years ago

I did not like the visual of the inner ramp. So, it got scrapped along with the labor cost. Wanted to try this and so far its better. I still have to add the inner side rails.

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#12 2 years ago

Cool project!, any plans for the GI on the left ramp?

#13 2 years ago
Quoted from Kneissl:

Cool project!, any plans for the GI on the left ramp?

Customers project and I am not sure what he wants to do with that area. We talked about it a little when he dropped it off, but nothing on my end. My priority is a full set of working ramps (wireforms) for his machine. Once I have them all done and installed I will send him pictures and see what he thinks. That left corner will need something for sure. I could cut a stainless steel plate as a cover over those lights. Maybe make it look like a starfield with holes for stars and the lights would shine through holes, but????

#14 2 years ago
Quoted from Loganpinball:

Customers project and I am not sure what he wants to do with that area. We talked about it a little when he dropped it off, but nothing on my end. My priority is a full set of working ramps (wireforms) for his machine. Once I have them all done and installed I will send him pictures and see what he thinks. That left corner will need something for sure. I could cut a stainless steel plate as a cover over those lights. Maybe make it look like a starfield with holes for stars and the lights would shine through holes, but????

Perhaps a piece of acrylic or polycarbonate with some added artwork/decal would be easier.

#15 2 years ago
Quoted from Jvspin:

Perhaps a piece of acrylic or polycarbonate with some added artwork/decal would be easier.

Agreed! You could probably reuse the old ramp decals.

#16 2 years ago
Quoted from Shogun00:

Agreed! You could probably reuse the old ramp decals.

Tried. The stickers are melted to the plastic in several spots. Its ugly!

1 week later
#17 2 years ago

I think I am going to try and cut out a stainless plate and shadow line with plasma cutter so the lights underneath would light up the cuts. The only way to see is to try. I mocked up a paper cut out and think it might work?
I will cut a small piece with a design and see it first, might be too much steel look.

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#18 2 years ago

I only have the base cabinet and I wanted to see my idea backlighted. I think it works?

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#19 2 years ago

Starting smaller right side

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#20 2 years ago
Quoted from Loganpinball:

I only have the base cabinet and I wanted to see my idea backlighted. I think it works?
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This is just my opinion since you asked.

I love the wireforms, the work is amazing. I love your thoughts on on covering that area but to me it looks like a two year old drew those lines. They lines are all over the place thickness wise and the shapes are not the shape they should be. Just look at the spiral right above yours, it has the shape of an actual spiral while yours is all over the place, same with the stars/comets. The design is solid but the actual execution is off.

Again, just my opinion and no, I could not even come close to the work that you are doing let alone do it better.

#21 2 years ago
Quoted from HFK:

This is just my opinion since you asked.
I love the wireforms, the work is amazing. I love your thoughts on on covering that area but to me it looks like a two year old drew those lines. They lines are all over the place thickness wise and the shapes are not the shape they should be. Just look at the spiral right above yours, it has the shape of an actual spiral while yours is all over the place, same with the stars/comets. The design is solid but the actual execution is off.
Again, just my opinion and no, I could not even come close to the work that you are doing let alone do it better.

I did and its all good. I try things to see if it works. It is not my machine and sometimes I take chances, but since this is not mine I need to just make the ramps and leave the rest to the customer.

#22 2 years ago

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#23 2 years ago
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#24 2 years ago
Quoted from Loganpinball:

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Starting to really come along, be nice if that right side was some sort of smoked cover or had graphics.

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#25 2 years ago

I have breached 24 hours and I am not done. Spent the day on the double ring ramp and I still have to add another guide to inner loop. I seriously do not know what to do? Going by this point of what I have made for it already I am guessing another 16 to 20 hours. The machine is not worth 40 plus hours of labor.

Offered to return the game to customer for no charges. My estimate was $800 to $1000. This is headed towards $2000 plus. I have to stop.

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#26 2 years ago

Finish it and don’t lowball your quotes next time.

#27 2 years ago

Finish it for customer, charge him $1,000 (still within your estimate) ...eat extra labor charge.

As a business owner, I have had to do this before

#28 2 years ago
Quoted from cosmokramer:

Finish it for customer, charge him $1,000 (still within your estimate) ...eat extra labor charge.
As a business owner, I have had to do this before

Understood. My mistake was making something creative. My artisic dementia kicked in. I should have just made simple point a to point b rails. All the rails I have made and sold are from machines that I owned and got the designs done without worry of costs of labor or materials to get it right and to be happy artistically. I learned I cant do that on work like this. This machine will be the last machine that I take in for such work, but I will finish it.

#29 2 years ago
Quoted from Loganpinball:

I learned I cant do that on work like this. This machine will be the last machine that I take in for such work, but I will finish it.

Been in the same boat doing the odd project for people with wanting race cars.

I can spend months on my own but a few weeks on someone else is torture.

2 months later
#30 1 year ago

I scrapped everything I made and simplified the project to functioning main 2 guide ramp. I took a heat gun and flattened and reshaped the right ramp and mid return. I should have done this from the start. I did learn a lesson about myself and projects. My creative projects must be limited to games that I own. I told the customer that I remade the main ramp today and I am bringing it to Pinfest for him to pick it up. I am also not charging him for this project at all.

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#31 1 year ago

So you junked the other main ramp? that looked good.

#32 1 year ago
Quoted from cp1610:

So you junked the other main ramp? that looked good.

That ramp looked hosed to me. Another time machine flipping again!

#33 1 year ago
Quoted from Kneissl:

That ramp looked hosed to me. Another time machine flipping again!

This ramp (V2) looks better to me.

Owner just needs to dress up the area with some plastics and it would look half way decent.

#34 1 year ago

As in thread he junked this one i thought this was good. Im still hopeful the original will be reproduced but was nice to see some ones idea.

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#35 19 days ago

Ever wonder what became of this Time Machine and its unusual ramps? Well, here you go.

The machine is mine, i bought it from a gentleman near DC who must have had it right next to a window with a lot of sunlight, causing all three plastic ramps to warp. Neither the cab or head are faded so the machine must have been right up against the wall under the window. Both right side ramps were repairable and work just fine, but the left side dual Starwarp ramp was a goner.

To cover the bare wood in the upper left corner, I used a piece of gloss black vinyl, which I cut to fit the bare spot. Then I installed various colored mini globes over the GI bulbs.

I showed the metal ramp to a number of metal working guys to try and get an idea of how to attach the two switches to the ramp. Long story short, I wound up using JB Weld between the ramp and the metal microswitch bracket, and it holds just fine. I had the assembly electro-chemically polished and it looks like factory plating.

After I installed the head and hooked it up, i still had the usual variety of problems: the bottom two displays were outgassed, a shorted TIP36c on the PPB board, cold solder joints everywhere, bent switch wires, feature light issues, etc. All have been corrected the the game works 100%. You can make either of the two left ramps shot from either flipper.

With a new LED display, LED feature lamps and GI bulbs, rubbers of course, I think it looks pretty nice and it's a fun game to play. The playfield also features a brand new CPR plastic set. The music, speech and sound effects really add to the experience. It will be for sale in the Free Play area at Allentown Pinfest.

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#36 19 days ago

Nice find. Good to see its still lives in a game being loved.

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