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Tim Arnold looking for protege to take over HOF

By westofrome

8 years ago


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    #53 8 years ago

    Seems like he could do better if he was walking distance to the strip. Right now many people have no idea the place even exists because of it's current location. He would get infinitely more traffic if people could walk to it from their hotel. Yeah I'm sure rent is far more there, but right now I can't tell you how many people I know that go to Vegas regularly and yet have no idea the PHOF even exists.

    Also maybe he should consider dropping the em's. Those machines always seem to require the most time and tinkering, they seem to require the most specialist skills to repair and maintain, and yet they always seem to be the least played games at any pinball location I go to. I know em's are historical, but if it gets to the point that it's just too much to manage and maintain all these machines then maybe lessening the workload is the solution.

    #58 8 years ago
    Quoted from dmbjunky:

    Main Street Amusements posts their top 20 most played games every week. Their EMs are routinely at the top.
    https://www.facebook.com/169480896422113/photos/a.170957606274442.28205.169480896422113/1147719591931567/?type=3&theater

    I took a look at their latest top 20, breaks down like this:

    EM
    **
    2 Captain Fantastic
    13 Bobby Orr's Power Play
    19 Amigo

    SS
    **
    3 Game of Thrones
    7 Metallica
    8 Harlem Globetrotters On Tour
    11 Monopoly
    12 Strikes and Spares
    14 Creature From The Black Lagoon
    15 Eight Ball Deluxe
    16 Family Guy
    17 Medieval Madness
    18 South Park
    20 Star Trek

    Seems to be mostly ss machines in the top 20 even though the em's are cheaper at just 1 token to play compared to 2 to 4 tokens for the ss machines (according to his website). My anecdotal experience having gone to the phof a few times along with local arcades, amusement expo's, etc, is that the em's are the least played.

    #61 8 years ago
    Quoted from NicoVolta:

    No way man. PHOF survives because it is cheap, has lots of variety, owns the land it sits upon, and runs on a tireless human engine with deep knowledge of antiquated technology.
    If you ditch the EM's, jack up the prices, and move it to the strip it would be bankrupt within a week. Faster still without my coin, because the vast majority of what I play are EM's.
    Pinball as a form of entertainment, alone, cannot financially sustain itself outside of an inexpensive, tax-advantaged venue with passionate, knowledgeable techs. Upkeep is expensive and among the most demanding of any form of amusement on the planet. Have a look at the pinball arcade at New York, New York. That's the only sustainable model outside of the "museum" approach/private collection: Fewer games, higher prices, bigger crowds, and bolstered by alcohol and food sales.

    That's the thing though, it isn't a tireless human engine because he has grown tired of it and/or no longer wants to do it. Likewise the antiquated tech is a huge hurdle, especially the em's. If you need to get a machine repaired and it's an ss machine, it's easier to find a tech to do it. With em's, many that repair ss machine won't touch em's at all and it becomes substantially more difficult to deal with machine failure. Not to mention that your typical em machine is usually just one token to play, whereas you can get away with four tokens on an ss machine, so ss machines can earn a better return.

    It sounds like Tim was a very unique and dedicated guy, but in that respect it seems unlikely to find someone else like him that is willing to devote all that time and energy to keep this going the way it is. Better location combined with redemption machines could be the way to go, perhaps without booze to keep it all family friendly. This seems to work for the Playland Arcade at the Santa Monica pier, which I know many here don't care for that place but at the end of the day it's always jam packed with people because of it's prime tourist foot traffic location and it doesn't even offer any booze.

    #143 8 years ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    I've been to PHOF probably 50 times. Of course a few games will be turned off. But most of the games are working just fine.

    Yeah I was gonna say the same thing, there would be some games down when I'd go there but it really wasn't that bad, most seemed to be working.

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    #451 8 years ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    The name is just a trick to avoid paying coin-op licensing fees.
    Just like when someone calls their arcade a "pinball museum". It's not really a museum conserving precious artifacts. It's just a trick to put an arcade in a town that has outlawed arcades.
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    If this does not make sense to you, think of Mad Magazine.
    It was a comic book, but when the Comics Code Authority started censoring comics, Mad suddenly became a magazine to avoid censorship.
    "A rose by any other name...." - Shakespeare

    Ah well that makes sense. Does location factor into that as well? Like if he was on the strip would he automatically be subject to a slew of new fees, hence why he chose his more off the beaten path location? Not sure how it all works over in Vegas.

    #454 8 years ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    By going off the beaten path, he got that giant building for only $1.5 million dollars.
    On the Strip, that same building might be $15 million.

    Well yeah I figured that, but I wondered if there were other fees, permits, etc that are required on the strip that aren't required at his current location.

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