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Thoughts on WPT?


By gweempose

5 years ago



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#1 5 years ago

I know this game doesn't get a lot of love, but I've been thinking about it a lot lately. I've played it several times, and I always found it to be fun and challenging. It strikes me as the kind of game, however, that you can't fully appreciate until you own it. I think all of Keefer's games are like this because of the deep rulesets. For some reason, I just can't get this game off my mind. The fact that I love to play poker makes the theme very appealing to me. Given what they go for, it also seems like a really good bang for the buck. Yes, the translite is ugly as hell, but I could always swap it with something else. What do you guys think? Yea or Nay?

#2 5 years ago

It's great for all of the reasons that you mentioned. You have the positives and negatives correct on this game. Make it happen!

#3 5 years ago

Disable the post except on "River" and remove the left orbit gate.
Awesome & VERY underrated game.

The translite is pretty bad but the game is great.

#4 5 years ago

I absolutely love mine. Outstanding bang for the buck, really deep rules, and drop target heaven!

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#5 5 years ago

PS- I changed the speaker panel. Another pic....I modded it up for about $400.

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#6 5 years ago

I think its a good game. The art package is balls. But its got sooooo many drops and has some great rules to it. I think as a game it appeals more to serious pinball players than to casual people. It took me many many plans to learn what to do beyond just trying to get multiball.

#7 5 years ago
Quoted from DrStarkweather:

I think its a good game. The art package is balls. But its got sooooo many drops and has some great rules to it. I think as a game it appeals more to serious pinball players than to casual people. It took me many many plans to learn what to do beyond just trying to get multiball.

I agree with you 100%! This is a "players" game. As a pinball player, I judge a game based on "how many quality and satisfying" shots a game has along with the complexity and nature of the rules. This game has some extremely satisfying shots and deep,deep rules:

1) The "3-bank" drop target shot. Get 6 targets down in one shot - are you kidding me? You can aim at the left or right bank to hit this.
2) The longest shot in pinball. The left lock - extra ball shot. very satisfying.
3) The "quick turnover" left ramp to advance your hand.
4) 3 satisfying shots on the upper playfield.

As you can see, I am passionate about this game. I think it is a "must" for pinball/poker fans. If you want to drive over and take mine for a spin, just send me a pm and we can make it happen.

#8 5 years ago

It's a very good game, especially for the money. I owned one for about a year and a half and enjoyed it while I had it. The single biggest negative (besides the translite) was the theme for me. It sat right next to LOTR and TSPP when I owned it. WPT's rules are comparable to LOTR's in depth and as a result you'd have to invest 30 minutes plus into a decent game. I don't mind playing 30 minute games on LOTR because the theme really draws you in to the game. You're killing balrogs and wargs, destroying castle walls, battling giant spiders and trying to slay the witch king. In WPT you're completing poker hands and traveling to different cities and completing card tricks.-It's just not that exciting. I actually like poker but it's just not a theme that can engross you for 30 minutes plus. It started to feel like work after a while and it came to the point of when I wanted to spend 30 minutes playing a game that I'd choose LOTR or TSPP instead and rarely played it. I really think WPT would be a better game if it wasn't so deep.-And I typically love deep games. With that being said I do sorta miss the game and I really thought it had a great layout and the game was fun to shoot. I sold mine a little over a year ago and I think like 4-5 people have owned it since then (including Tony). It's a fun game but it doesn't seem to stick around in people's collections for long.

#9 5 years ago

One of the VERY few games I've sold- and don't regret.

I'm a huge poker fan and bought it for our game room (that regularly hosts home hold'em tourneys). I just got bored with it. Good fundamentals, but never "loved" it. I did not ever try some of the mods recommended though- too bad since it sounds like they enhance the gameplay.

The artwork is horrific.

It was also my first stern title.... And my first "modern pin" since NGG.... So perhaps there was some culture shock too.

#10 5 years ago

I felt the same as you before I bought mine. I need to own a game to truly appreciate it. I liked it for awhile, but it didn't last with me for the following reasons.

The seven card stud hands could be earned without even trying. Eventually the ball will hit those drops without really any need to aim for them.

The jackpot call-outs (from the female voice) were very weak and unenthusiastic. It hurt the feeling of excitement when playing. I like poker, but in pinball, it lacked energy.

The depth of going to all of the Hold-em tournaments felt more repetitive than deep. It's the same thing, but constantly more of the exact same shots required over and over. It got tedious to me in a home environment.

I did like the strategy of building a pot for a good hand before collecting, and it was always a challenge to play both playfields at the same time. It was a great game for the price. But compared to other games in my collection, it didn't measure up.

For me, it was worth owning for a good time, but not a long time.

#11 5 years ago

I think WPT is a pretty good game. especially in a larger collection.

The machine plays like no other.

#12 5 years ago

yeah i played it before not so bad. I dont care for the theme but I would totally add it to the collection.

#13 5 years ago
Quoted from MikeS:

It's a very good game, especially for the money. I owned one for about a year and a half and enjoyed it while I had it. The single biggest negative (besides the translite) was the theme for me. It sat right next to LOTR and TSPP when I owned it. WPT's rules are comparable to LOTR's in depth and as a result you'd have to invest 30 minutes plus into a decent game. I don't mind playing 30 minute games on LOTR because the theme really draws you in to the game. You're killing balrogs and wargs, destroying castle walls, battling giant spiders and trying to slay the witch king. In WPT you're completing poker hands and traveling to different cities and completing card tricks.-It's just not that exciting. I actually like poker but it's just not a theme that can engross you for 30 minutes plus. It started to feel like work after a while and it came to the point of when I wanted to spend 30 minutes playing a game that I'd choose LOTR or TSPP instead and rarely played it. I really think WPT would be a better game if it wasn't so deep.-And I typically love deep games. With that being said I do sorta miss the game and I really thought it had a great layout and the game was fun to shoot. I sold mine a little over a year ago and I think like 4-5 people have owned it since then (including Tony). It's a fun game but it doesn't seem to stick around in people's collections for long.

I think this pretty much nailed it on the head. +1!

#14 5 years ago

I own a WPT since a few months. Trying to get feedback after 300+ games:

Plus:
- Open play field,
- Lots of drop targets,
- Many shots are not that easy because of distance
- The upper playfield is playable
- Deep rules, no obvious strategy to win - so many things to do and tactical choices to be made.
- Many ways to achieve multi ball(s)
- Great value for $$
- PF / Cabinet artwork is decent...

Cons:
- ... while the back glass is horrible
- Theme (I do not care about Poker, but I still love that game)
- Call outs
- The French voices are terrible
- Not a big fan of the initial choice (mystery / skill / advance hand)

If you can play 30+ minutes that game you either closed the outlanes or are a true pinball wizard. I included that game in the lineup for a tourney I organized at my home last month. There were two of the top 100 worldwide players (Jérémy ended #8 at the last World championship in Germany!), and I swear none of them played 30 minutes...

#15 5 years ago

I think it's a fun game, although I think I'd get tired of it quickly if it wasn't a part of a big collection. I actually like the poker theme but think the translite is terrible. I do believe there are some alternate translites out there that are much better.

My biggest gripe is that it played slow for me. Lot of waiting around and the callouts/features aren't interesting enough to warrant it. Games took much longer on it and it gets a bit repetitive. Now I see some people above mentioning some fixes that might help with that.

It's still good value I think for what it's been going for. Especially if you're into poker. But it does feel like a title that was hamstrung by budget issues and there is only so much a talent like Ritchie can do to overcome that.

#16 5 years ago
Quoted from jlm33:

If you can play 30+ minutes that game you either closed the outlanes or are a true pinball wizard. I included that game in the lineup for a tourney I organized at my home last month. There were two of the top 100 worldwide players (Jérémy ended #8 at the last World championship in Germany!), and I swear none of them played 30 minutes...

My game was set up on default settings, middle outlane post, 3 balls w/ eb for replay, freshly waxed, 7 degree pitch, etc. I'm not a wizard but I'm a pretty decent player. I wouldn't say my average game is 30 minutes by any means but my good games typically are. Sometimes it takes 2-3 5 minute games before getting a good game. I always tried to get AITH mb before the ball ever reaches the lower playfield. There are also plenty of opportunities for EB's which you need to progress far in the game. The game's software is such that you need to play a long time to make it far in the game. Collecting hands and going thru cities takes a lot of time! I just don't think the journey is as fun in this game as it is with games like LOTR. Still a very good game, but there's a reason that it doesn't go for big $$$. I could see myself picking it up again someday though. For its price there aren't that many better games....

#17 5 years ago

Yea!

Deep game... The more you learn the ruleset, the more fun it is.

One of my favorites... Go for it!

#18 5 years ago

it was cool when i had it but I don't miss it too much

#19 5 years ago

Highly underrated. Classic Ritchie layout that is deceptively simple, yet clever. Great rules with nice synergy with the playfield. We played the hell out of it at league and it's been gone for about a year now...kind of wish it would come back. Also, Mike Sexton's 3 foot long hand! Once you see it, you can't unsee it.

#20 5 years ago

I like my WPT, I can't see it going anywhere soon. Assuming they were equal prices, I would still pick it over a TSPP. At half the price... no brainer.

Art package isn't the best (and that's being charitable...) but the modes are fun/challenging, lots of strategy... and greedily setting up a 3x multiplier with an opportunity for a big payoff is fun, whether you make or blow the shot

Quoted from sturner:

But it does feel like a title that was hamstrung by budget issues and there is only so much a talent like Ritchie can do to overcome that.

What budget issues do you see other than art? Deep rules, tonnes of mechanisms (big LCD display under playfield, playable upper playfield, a billion drop targets, metal ramps and wireforms... four flippers!). If this screams budget to you, you must be comparing it to WoZ

If you can find a WoZ for the going rate of a WPT... then jump on it.

Good video going over some of the strategy:

#21 5 years ago

Thanks for all the opinions, guys! It sounds like it would probably fit in well in my collection. I like to have a mix of deep and shallow pins, and WPT would nicely compliment games like AC/DC, Tron, Pin*Bot, Airborne, etc ... The only problem is that if I buy one, I'll have to sell something. I'm pretty much at my max right now, at least as far as my wife is concerned.

Quoted from BackFlipper:

If you want to drive over and take mine for a spin, just send me a pm and we can make it happen.

I appreciate the offer. The next time I'm out that way, I may very well take you up on it. And, of course, the same offer holds true if you're in my neck of the woods.

#22 5 years ago

I had a TSPP and its a fun game but like WPT better.
Being a lot less cost wise is an added bonus.

As was stated earlier flash the latest game code on the machine and disable the post ( in settings ) except on "River" and remove the upper left orbit gate ( simple ) and you have a totally different machine. Flowing and much faster.

#23 5 years ago
Quoted from jlm33:

Cons:
- ... while the back glass is horrible
- Theme (I do not care about Poker, but I still love that game)
- Call outs
- The French voices are terrible
- Not a big fan of the initial choice (mystery / skill / advance hand)

Right on! And for me, who cares about these cons....

People get too wrapped up in theme, music, back glass, callouts, etc...

It is a GREAT pin and is sitting next to LOTR LE and SM and all I play currently is WPT....

The more you play the more you love it and so many people pass it up because of the above cons and they are missing the huge boat on this one....

It's Lyman, Ritchie, Keith and Grannar in one pin and its a great full featured pin....

#24 5 years ago
Quoted from BC_Gambit:

I would still pick it over a TSPP.

Price wise and flow, yes. Everything else, that's crazy talk IMHO.

#25 5 years ago
Quoted from BC_Gambit:

What budget issues do you see other than art? Deep rules, tonnes of mechanisms (big LCD display under playfield, playable upper playfield, a billion drop targets, metal ramps and wireforms... four flippers!). If this screams budget to you, you must be comparing it to WoZ
If you can find a WoZ for the going rate of a WPT... then jump on it.
Good video going over some of the strategy:

It's one of the only games in recent memory that didn't have a major toy with it. Or really any ton with it. The upper playfield is nice, so are more drop targets and metal ramps, but there isn't a lot to interact with on the playfield to draw you in.

And the theme is just horrible. And this coming from someone who enjoys poker. It looks like almost no effort went into the artwork and voice work on the machine.

Now I'm not trying to bash the game because I actually like it. When I get some more space I'll be looking into getting one. Especially at the price it goes for. It's just that I think it had potential to be a great game if more went into it.

#26 5 years ago

If you are comparing the depth of AC/DC to Pinbot you are playing it wrong.

Quoted from gweempose:

I like to have a mix of deep and shallow pins, and WPT would nicely compliment games like AC/DC, Tron, Pin*Bot, Airborne, etc

#27 5 years ago

My second pin in my newest go round..i put new white rubber from steve at pinball resource, led's galore from pinball life (the 4led white in most and the 9led flashers) that make a 'Black Rose cointaker' machine seem dark! lol), new stickers on the popups, and, of course, a new upper play field. when I hit a jackpot I have to put sunglasses on! (i know several here will criticize but for a WPT I thought 'glitzy' was the way to go. casino like)..the ruleset is just great. 6 modes to go thru where the dmd is just terrific as you play thru them. 9 poker hands to get by hitting 16 drop targets and 6 cities to compete in before the wpt final (which i almost got to last night!). the 'Ace in the hole' is great. the audio is terrific and when adjusted properly (Ritchie's original intent) plays fairly smooth. the only negative would be if you dont understand poker it may not make too much sense....glad most dont see it this way as my WPT, for me, will always be the best 'bang for the buck' pin in my small stable.

#28 5 years ago
Quoted from jalpert:

If you are comparing the depth of AC/DC to Pinbot you are playing it wrong.

I just play Thunderstruck over and over again. Is that not the best strategy?

#29 5 years ago

Quoted from gweempose:

I just play Thunderstruck over and over again. Is that not the best strategy?

#30 5 years ago

So I guess my next question is, what are nice examples selling for these days? Something with zero playfield wear, a near flawless cabinet, etc ...

#31 5 years ago

no more than 2K. i payed $1950 for one in very good shape.

#32 5 years ago
Quoted from gweempose:

So I guess my next question is, what are nice examples selling for these days? Something with zero playfield wear, a near flawless cabinet, etc ...

Perfect HUO games ~ 2500

Most other WPT games 1600 - 2200

#33 5 years ago

I rarely agree with the prices on this forum, but this is pretty close to spot on. I might say $1,600 - $2,000 but at $2K they sit a while before they sell. Just look at the for sale history here.

Quoted from fattrain:

Perfect HUO games ~ 2500

Most other WPT games 1600 - 2200

#34 5 years ago
Quoted from gweempose:

The only problem is that if I buy one, I'll have to sell something. I'm pretty much at my max right now

I'd be happy to take that I500 off your hands!

#35 5 years ago
Quoted from gweempose:

So I guess my next question is, what are nice examples selling for these days? Something with zero playfield wear, a near flawless cabinet, etc ...

I paid 2800 for mine, what you just described above, re-rubbered white and led's, out of the box condition but dialed in.....

But I put a wtb ad out there and was thrilled to get one in that shape and I searched all over, it depends on how soon you want one in that condition, you don't see them pop up very often.....

There was one a few weeks ago that was up for $2450 in great shape but don't know if it sold already or not....

Go for it, you won't be disappointed!

#36 5 years ago
Quoted from sturner:

It's one of the only games in recent memory that didn't have a major toy with it. Or really any ton with it. The upper playfield is nice, so are more drop targets and metal ramps, but there isn't a lot to interact with on the playfield to draw you in.

This is part of what makes it great....the shot making on this pin is phenomenal, if you like that kind of thing....sometimes it good not to have "toys" cluttering up the play field and enjoy just a good old shot making machine with as deep of rules as it gets...

#37 5 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

This is part of what makes it great....the shot making on this pin is phenomenal, if you like that kind of thing....sometimes it good not to have "toys" cluttering up the play field and enjoy just a good old shot making machine with as deep of rules as it gets...

Yep. I can live without toys too !

#38 5 years ago

WPT was my first NIB pin and it still gets plenty of action from family and friends. It's a pin that really shines at home because of the deep rules set one that can get lost on location. You need to be able to hear and pay attention to what's being said to you by the WPT characters in order to make the appropriate shots to rack up the points. The drop targets are a real challenge and the Texas Hold Em game big time fun. Like the upper play field too, small but sweet. Very underrated pin IMO.

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