This was my biggest concern from the stream. This is good news and a huge relief. Did Stern confirm this somewhere?

Couldn’t agree more.

I just got End of the Line for the first time, had never watched a video or anything....was a sick reveal for me 7 years in the making

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I've developed several compilers for C-based languages (C++/ObjC/ObjC++) and the term "programming" is what we commonly use. If you like the term "coding", great, but this idea that it's an industry standard term is false.

What I find funny about this is .... Who are newbies? The younger generation correct?
Well then how many younger people have ever wanted or even seen Munsters! Its a Older generation theme.

So the basic code for newbies theory is just BS, a slap in the face for us owners! it's shameful.
If others are happy with the game great, but for me and many others it's a lazy copy and paste lv2,lv3 pos as it stands.

Dwight is a great coder don't get me wrong, TMNT for example, and completion on GB ( but took 3 years of pressure)

Stern and Dwight should do more for Munsters, its a disgrace...

"Corey" Hardy's review is in. He likes it, he really likes it!
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To all the nagging Munster owners:
Sell your machine if you don't like the code and try to go on with your life. Maybe you will find some happiness.

Now please go on about Mando here.

I've worked for a grand total of 2 software companies. I tend to stay. I don't speak for an industry just my experience. It's ok no offense. In Boston we call a sandwich from Subway a grinder. It's not wrong, tastes the same as a sub or hoagie and costs about the same, although in England I noticed that some places put corn on a sandwich shop grinder, that seems like not an industry standard.

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Anyone have thoughts on the topper? I am hoping for interactive IG-11.

Edit: Made a separate topic...

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/thoughts-on-the-mandalorian-topper

I tried to watch Gary's review but I was too distracted by how he had a beard on the left side of his face and light stubble on the right. Did he lose a bet?

Do we have any idea when these are going to start shipping?

I’ll bet it’s a moving Grogu

IDK, I just saw this and it had a price tag on it. Pretty close to a Mando pro.
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You mean if stern wants to change the direction of the game. That happens few and far in between

Correct, But sales would be through the roof again.
I know it's only a 2% chance tho

But shouldn't Stern and Dwight think this is worth the effort?
Great theme,Great artwork, Great flow.. So much going for Munsters.

I think Stern sold a Munsters to everyone who wanted one. New code won’t lead to more NIB sales of Munsters...the vast bulk of sales on any new title happens in the first 90 days for Stern. Now it’s that time for Mando and in another few months it’ll be that time for Godzilla. It’ll never be that time for Munsters again...you only get to be in that 90 day window once...

Newbies are anyone, young and old that walks up to a pinball machine. My kids, my wife etc

Maybe Stern will change it’s mind and do more for Munsters, despite what they have said.

GB was a long journey.

But it’s Mando time now

Wait, are we discussing Mando again?

A big part of the problem is that no one really wants to buy them.

Really? Just sold mine. Granted the price on them has fallen but pinheads still enjoy a deal on a newer/fun game even if the code could improve.

Dwight (and co) is not lazy. He randomly updated GOT for seemingly little financial reason other than a last call on GOT when the update came out, which couldn’t have been that big of a run in 2019.

Munsters last call is coming up I believe. Maybe it’ll get a little love, but don’t peg your hopes on a substantial rework.

It always seemed like a niche title. I think the LE number being bumped up after reveal had more to do with their decision on the black and white vs full color art scheme. And worth noting they eventually ran the color version as a premium

Course I’m just speculating from the outside.

Anyway…I think Mando will sell very well and is going to get more resources than some other titles.

Munsters is and was a Turd!

Flush

Next week I'm told

If we’re really lucky it will be a camtono of beskar.

It's just a generational thing and the usual lack of respect from those who had it easier because others did the heavy lifting in the olden days ( when people actually had to do something).

Back in the day shit was actually hard to do and the level of knowledge and skill needed was off the charts.

Now its "coding" because...... a few weeks of classes and you'll sort it out.

"modular" is a term to disguise that most of the hard work has been done for you and your level of skill is nowhere near the guys that figured that out in the first place.

That's great. Can't wait to locate one to try out.

Looking to find a premium in the first run and, though I’m sorry to say it, I’m also ready for a new distributor. I’ll call around tomorrow but if anyone has a line on an available first run Premium allocation, send a pm and let me know!

Just a comment nothing more. IJ IPA was manufactured using hand drawn models, assemblies and drawings. That was done in 1993. Not that long ago. Technology advances, productivity improves. Heck today, CNC machine software can gather manufacturing data straight from 3D models, no drawings needed. Software advancement requires constant learning. It is the way.

moving... rotation... programming... this thread has it all!!!

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In this thread we say: “This is the way.”

Ummm, where do you think the model that was scanned came from?

Thank you.

All I know is I was a a computer guy and "hacker" in the late 80s and 90s. Worked at a .com during the boom in NYC etc etc

Every time I talk to any smart ass current "expert" I realize I have forgotten more than they will ever know.

The main issue with the current generation is you think you are smarter than you are since you get to walk on the backs of those that did the actual work.

If I put in front of you what we actually had to work with back in the day you would have not a clue what to do and go ask someone to figure it out for you.

Someone made your "tools" and "modules" and manuals and on and on so you could coast and just plug and play 95% of your shit.

Thats kinda what I meant. People dont typically wanna take a big loss on a machine, especially at a time where lots of used games are selling for nib prices or higher.

Wanna feel old? That was 28 years ago.

Well the difference is... I dont care because I retired young and dont have have to.

Tomorrow is a Monday so get to bed so you can go to work and do "it" for a living which is likely something I or someone like Snaroff figured out so you could look it up.

Separate!

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Just to keep on topic... Have some respect for the older designers that made classic games also.

I think Pat Lawlor has by far made the best of the JJP games...

Most new Sterns i dont care about but since its Brian Eddy's game I am most definitely going to try it.

The guys who built this business generally know their shit.

well he did by trying to erase history.

Scanned? I'm talking about 3D CAD models, CAD files.

Nope. There were a significant number of folks that really wanted Munsters - great theme, art package, fun to shoot - and dropped out just after the LE when Dwight made the now infamous “it’s pretty much complete” comment. I cancelled my LE day 1 (didn’t like the art package), but was super excited about the B/W Premium. Stoked about Munsters at TPF (as were a lot of people). And then Dwight’s comments. And then sales dropped off the proverbial cliff.

I pretty much agree with this. But it’s moot since there isn’t any more production scheduled anyway.

I bought a Batman LE early because it was a dream theme and I was willing to bet on Lyman making the game epic because of his track record. It took almost 2 years but was worth the wait. And then I was willing to do it again with an Elvira LE.

I like generally like Dwight’s style. As a day 1 Star Trek LE buyer he has my heartfelt thanks for fixing the mess that was the early Star Trek code. But I don’t have the same level of confidence I do with Lyman so I’m never going to buy a Dwight game hoping it will get better.

Fortunately, it’s not an issue with Mando because the theme doesn’t appeal to my family.

Our (written) interview with Brian Eddy: https://ausretrogamer.com/interview-with-the-mandalorian-pinball-designer-brian-eddy/

Dwight being lazy is ridiculous, look at how much he puts into the games he’s free to code, TMNT, Mando looks packed with code, he’s pretty much added an RPG experience into a pinball, that’s not lazy.

He did exactly what he was told to do for Munsters, it’s was clear from the start it was going to be a throwback game, pretty sure they even say as much during one of the Stern/Deadflip stream, the inserts on the playfield gave it away too.

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My first web site was built with notepad.

I kid you not.

I find these arguments strange, he does what his employer instructs him to do.

Anything extra in his free time is a bonus and to his credit no?

Dwight isn't lazy. His rules just are lack luster.

Munsters doesn't just suffer from a lack of modes there are also a lot of bugs that are well known and documented. Some that break multiplayer like mystery stealing and mode carry over from person to person. Munsters suffers from lack of support and overall polish. The vast majority of the updates to it were for the topper.

Mando's rule set seems anything but lacklustre.

And a EE could say the same thing about the programmer just writing software to run on a DSP or Microcontroller.. or worse.. SoC... vs having to figure out how many electrons need to accumulate before the current flows through the gate.. or who built the feedback circuit that the lazy programmer emulates with a arduino and layers of software. blah blah blah

There is a huge difference between asking for 'awareness' of where you are in the grand scheme of things... and broadly crapping on people based on stereotypes and stigmas.

Modern software architectures are not due to laziness - they evolve from where people want to spend their energy and the constraints they are working with.

I am happy people are able to take and apply a .NET class with managed memory to do a task verse re-inventing the wheel and creating that many new defects and vulnerabilities... or take an openSSL lib that has had hundreds of thousands of reviewers and auditors over it's time vs some a-hole who thinks he's gods gift to software writing his own keygen because he knows software... but not cryptography.

When I was programming... "High Level Language" meant Fortran! We wrote assembly. No one cares. Appreciate the guy who can solve the problem within the constraints in a reliable, sustainable, time efficient manner. Not think less of him/her because they didn't re-invent the wheel unnecessarily.