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This is the Way - Stern Mandalorian Pinball is Here!!

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#4301 6 months ago
Quoted from Apollyon:

Voice callouts from the show including from the main actors will be added. They have many great callouts to use. But they will be added as the code progresses and more so near the end, once all the rules, lightshows, sound effects have been added in. Callouts will be one of the last things added.

This was my biggest concern from the stream. This is good news and a huge relief. Did Stern confirm this somewhere?

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#4302 6 months ago
Quoted from Zablon:

Yeah, I seem to be in the minority there. I don't want to know every detail about a game. I just want to see an overview and get an idea. If someone tells me every little trick etc, it spoils the adventure and gives me little reason to buy it.

Couldn’t agree more.

I just got End of the Line for the first time, had never watched a video or anything....was a sick reveal for me 7 years in the making

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#4303 6 months ago
Quoted from KozMckPinball:

When software languages became modular, coding became the proper term. Yes. like legos is modular to individual bricks, easily re-deployable, that's a good analogy. I hear on the podcasts, Brian Eddy uses the term "programming". Programming is more archaic for C languages/assembly maybe and probably COBOL, things like that that are not modular, more of a all encompassing standalone program of functionality from start to finish. I've been a software engineer for over 20 years, code is the term of choice now and I started programming in C as well.

I've developed several compilers for C-based languages (C++/ObjC/ObjC++) and the term "programming" is what we commonly use. If you like the term "coding", great, but this idea that it's an industry standard term is false.

#4304 6 months ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Despite what happened on Munsters, and I agree, it’s not gonna happen on an Eddy Mando game. The target audience is different?
My argument with Munsters and any game is newbies, old guys, can enjoy a deeply coded game as much as a shallow game.
They will NEVER know the difference!

What I find funny about this is .... Who are newbies? The younger generation correct?
Well then how many younger people have ever wanted or even seen Munsters! Its a Older generation theme.

So the basic code for newbies theory is just BS, a slap in the face for us owners! it's shameful.
If others are happy with the game great, but for me and many others it's a lazy copy and paste lv2,lv3 pos as it stands.

Dwight is a great coder don't get me wrong, TMNT for example, and completion on GB ( but took 3 years of pressure)

Stern and Dwight should do more for Munsters, its a disgrace...

#4305 6 months ago
Quoted from xfassa:

I'm not passing judgement on this machine until I watch Corey Hardy's review.

"Corey" Hardy's review is in. He likes it, he really likes it!
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#4306 6 months ago

To all the nagging Munster owners:
Sell your machine if you don't like the code and try to go on with your life. Maybe you will find some happiness.

Now please go on about Mando here.

#4307 6 months ago
Quoted from snaroff:

I've developed several compilers for C-based languages (C++/ObjC/ObjC++) and the term "programming" is what we commonly use. If you like the term "coding", great, but this idea that it's an industry standard term is false.

I've worked for a grand total of 2 software companies. I tend to stay. I don't speak for an industry just my experience. It's ok no offense. In Boston we call a sandwich from Subway a grinder. It's not wrong, tastes the same as a sub or hoagie and costs about the same, although in England I noticed that some places put corn on a sandwich shop grinder, that seems like not an industry standard.

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#4308 6 months ago

Anyone have thoughts on the topper? I am hoping for interactive IG-11.

Edit: Made a separate topic...

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/thoughts-on-the-mandalorian-topper

#4309 6 months ago
Quoted from xfassa:

"Corey" Hardy's review is in. He likes it, he really likes it!
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I tried to watch Gary's review but I was too distracted by how he had a beard on the left side of his face and light stubble on the right. Did he lose a bet?

#4310 6 months ago

Do we have any idea when these are going to start shipping?

#4311 6 months ago
Quoted from KozMckPinball:

Anyone have thoughts on the topper? I am hoping for interactive IG-11.

I’ll bet it’s a moving Grogu

#4312 6 months ago
Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

Ha Mando pinball for sure.

IDK, I just saw this and it had a price tag on it. Pretty close to a Mando pro.
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#4313 6 months ago
Quoted from BallyKISS1978:

But Dwight has a chance to fix the Munsters mistake. Everyone doesn’t get a second chance. Hard for people who have a Munsters still to look forward when Dwight could fix it.

You mean if stern wants to change the direction of the game. That happens few and far in between

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#4314 6 months ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

You mean if stern wants to change the direction of the game. That happens few and far in between

Correct, But sales would be through the roof again.
I know it's only a 2% chance tho

But shouldn't Stern and Dwight think this is worth the effort?
Great theme,Great artwork, Great flow.. So much going for Munsters.

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#4315 6 months ago
Quoted from Squizz:

Correct, But sales would be through the roof again.

I think Stern sold a Munsters to everyone who wanted one. New code won’t lead to more NIB sales of Munsters...the vast bulk of sales on any new title happens in the first 90 days for Stern. Now it’s that time for Mando and in another few months it’ll be that time for Godzilla. It’ll never be that time for Munsters again...you only get to be in that 90 day window once...

#4316 6 months ago
Quoted from Squizz:

What I find funny about this is .... Who are newbies? The younger generation correct?
Well then how many younger people have ever wanted or even seen Munsters! Its a Older generation theme.
So the basic code for newbies theory is just BS, a slap in the face for us owners! it's shameful.
If others are happy with the game great, but for me and many others it's a lazy copy and paste lv2,lv3 pos as it stands.
Dwight is a great coder don't get me wrong, TMNT for example, and completion on GB ( but took 3 years of pressure)
Stern and Dwight should do more for Munsters, its a disgrace...

Newbies are anyone, young and old that walks up to a pinball machine. My kids, my wife etc

Maybe Stern will change it’s mind and do more for Munsters, despite what they have said.

GB was a long journey.

But it’s Mando time now

#4317 6 months ago
Quoted from iceman44:

But it’s Mando time now

Wait, are we discussing Mando again?

#4318 6 months ago
Quoted from Pinballnewb01:

To all the nagging Munster owners:
Sell your machine if you don't like the code and try to go on with your life. Maybe you will find some happiness.

A big part of the problem is that no one really wants to buy them.

#4319 6 months ago
Quoted from shaub:

A big part of the problem is that no one really wants to buy them.

Really? Just sold mine. Granted the price on them has fallen but pinheads still enjoy a deal on a newer/fun game even if the code could improve.

#4320 6 months ago

Dwight (and co) is not lazy. He randomly updated GOT for seemingly little financial reason other than a last call on GOT when the update came out, which couldn’t have been that big of a run in 2019.

Munsters last call is coming up I believe. Maybe it’ll get a little love, but don’t peg your hopes on a substantial rework.

It always seemed like a niche title. I think the LE number being bumped up after reveal had more to do with their decision on the black and white vs full color art scheme. And worth noting they eventually ran the color version as a premium

Course I’m just speculating from the outside.

Anyway…I think Mando will sell very well and is going to get more resources than some other titles.

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#4321 6 months ago
Quoted from Pinballnewb01:

To all the nagging Munster owners:
Sell your machine if you don't like the code and try to go on with your life. Maybe you will find some happiness.
Now please go on about Mando here.

Munsters is and was a Turd!

Flush

#4322 6 months ago
Quoted from Only_Pinball:

Do we have any idea when these are going to start shipping?

Next week I'm told

#4323 6 months ago
Quoted from Zambonilli:

Anyone else think coop mode could be a hidden gem?

If we’re really lucky it will be a camtono of beskar.

#4324 6 months ago
Quoted from snaroff:

I've developed several compilers for C-based languages (C++/ObjC/ObjC++) and the term "programming" is what we commonly use. If you like the term "coding", great, but this idea that it's an industry standard term is false.

It's just a generational thing and the usual lack of respect from those who had it easier because others did the heavy lifting in the olden days ( when people actually had to do something).

Back in the day shit was actually hard to do and the level of knowledge and skill needed was off the charts.

Now its "coding" because...... a few weeks of classes and you'll sort it out.

"modular" is a term to disguise that most of the hard work has been done for you and your level of skill is nowhere near the guys that figured that out in the first place.

#4325 6 months ago
Quoted from Pinchild:

Next week I'm told

That's great. Can't wait to locate one to try out.

#4326 6 months ago

Looking to find a premium in the first run and, though I’m sorry to say it, I’m also ready for a new distributor. I’ll call around tomorrow but if anyone has a line on an available first run Premium allocation, send a pm and let me know!

#4328 6 months ago

Just a comment nothing more. IJ IPA was manufactured using hand drawn models, assemblies and drawings. That was done in 1993. Not that long ago. Technology advances, productivity improves. Heck today, CNC machine software can gather manufacturing data straight from 3D models, no drawings needed. Software advancement requires constant learning. It is the way.

#4329 6 months ago

moving... rotation... programming... this thread has it all!!!

Up next...

Is building web content coding? Or programming?

FIGHT!

#4330 6 months ago

In this thread we say: “This is the way.”

#4331 6 months ago
Quoted from KozMckPinball:

Heck today, CNC machine software can gather manufacturing data straight from 3D models, no drawings needed.

Ummm, where do you think the model that was scanned came from?

#4332 6 months ago

Thank you.

All I know is I was a a computer guy and "hacker" in the late 80s and 90s. Worked at a .com during the boom in NYC etc etc

Every time I talk to any smart ass current "expert" I realize I have forgotten more than they will ever know.

The main issue with the current generation is you think you are smarter than you are since you get to walk on the backs of those that did the actual work.

If I put in front of you what we actually had to work with back in the day you would have not a clue what to do and go ask someone to figure it out for you.

Someone made your "tools" and "modules" and manuals and on and on so you could coast and just plug and play 95% of your shit.

#4333 6 months ago
Quoted from manadams:

Really? Just sold mine. Granted the price on them has fallen

Thats kinda what I meant. People dont typically wanna take a big loss on a machine, especially at a time where lots of used games are selling for nib prices or higher.

#4334 6 months ago
Quoted from KozMckPinball:

That was done in 1993. Not that long ago.

Wanna feel old? That was 28 years ago.

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#4336 6 months ago

Well the difference is... I dont care because I retired young and dont have have to.

Tomorrow is a Monday so get to bed so you can go to work and do "it" for a living which is likely something I or someone like Snaroff figured out so you could look it up.

#4338 6 months ago

Separate!

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#4339 6 months ago

Just to keep on topic... Have some respect for the older designers that made classic games also.

I think Pat Lawlor has by far made the best of the JJP games...

Most new Sterns i dont care about but since its Brian Eddy's game I am most definitely going to try it.

The guys who built this business generally know their shit.

#4340 6 months ago
Quoted from thechakapakuni:

Separate!
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well he did by trying to erase history.

#4341 6 months ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

Ummm, where do you think the model that was scanned came from?

Scanned? I'm talking about 3D CAD models, CAD files.

#4342 6 months ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

I think Stern sold a Munsters to everyone who wanted one.

Nope. There were a significant number of folks that really wanted Munsters - great theme, art package, fun to shoot - and dropped out just after the LE when Dwight made the now infamous “it’s pretty much complete” comment. I cancelled my LE day 1 (didn’t like the art package), but was super excited about the B/W Premium. Stoked about Munsters at TPF (as were a lot of people). And then Dwight’s comments. And then sales dropped off the proverbial cliff.

Quoted from TigerLaw:

New code won’t lead to more NIB sales of Munsters...the vast bulk of sales on any new title happens in the first 90 days for Stern...

I pretty much agree with this. But it’s moot since there isn’t any more production scheduled anyway.

I bought a Batman LE early because it was a dream theme and I was willing to bet on Lyman making the game epic because of his track record. It took almost 2 years but was worth the wait. And then I was willing to do it again with an Elvira LE.

I like generally like Dwight’s style. As a day 1 Star Trek LE buyer he has my heartfelt thanks for fixing the mess that was the early Star Trek code. But I don’t have the same level of confidence I do with Lyman so I’m never going to buy a Dwight game hoping it will get better.

Fortunately, it’s not an issue with Mando because the theme doesn’t appeal to my family.

#4344 6 months ago

Dwight being lazy is ridiculous, look at how much he puts into the games he’s free to code, TMNT, Mando looks packed with code, he’s pretty much added an RPG experience into a pinball, that’s not lazy.

He did exactly what he was told to do for Munsters, it’s was clear from the start it was going to be a throwback game, pretty sure they even say as much during one of the Stern/Deadflip stream, the inserts on the playfield gave it away too.

#4345 6 months ago

Up next...
Is building web content coding? Or programming?
FIGHT!

My first web site was built with notepad.

I kid you not.

#4346 6 months ago
Quoted from J85M:

Dwight being lazy is ridiculous, look at how much he puts into the games he’s free to code, TMNT, Mando looks packed with code, he’s pretty much added an RPG experience into a pinball, that’s not lazy.
He did exactly what he was told to do for Munsters, it’s was clear from the start it was going to be a throwback game, pretty sure they even say as much during one of the Stern/Deadflip stream, the inserts on the playfield gave it away too.

I find these arguments strange, he does what his employer instructs him to do.

Anything extra in his free time is a bonus and to his credit no?

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#4347 6 months ago

Dwight isn't lazy. His rules just are lack luster.

#4348 6 months ago

Munsters doesn't just suffer from a lack of modes there are also a lot of bugs that are well known and documented. Some that break multiplayer like mystery stealing and mode carry over from person to person. Munsters suffers from lack of support and overall polish. The vast majority of the updates to it were for the topper.

#4349 6 months ago

Mando's rule set seems anything but lacklustre.

Quoted from Halfwasted:

Dwight isn't lazy. His rules just are lack luster.

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#4350 6 months ago
Quoted from Elvishasleft:

Thank you.
All I know is I was a a computer guy and "hacker" in the late 80s and 90s. Worked at a .com during the boom in NYC etc etc
Every time I talk to any smart ass current "expert" I realize I have forgotten more than they will ever know.
The main issue with the current generation is you think you are smarter than you are since you get to walk on the backs of those that did the actual work.
If I put in front of you what we actually had to work with back in the day you would have not a clue what to do and go ask someone to figure it out for you.
Someone made your "tools" and "modules" and manuals and on and on so you could coast and just plug and play 95% of your shit.

And a EE could say the same thing about the programmer just writing software to run on a DSP or Microcontroller.. or worse.. SoC... vs having to figure out how many electrons need to accumulate before the current flows through the gate.. or who built the feedback circuit that the lazy programmer emulates with a arduino and layers of software. blah blah blah

There is a huge difference between asking for 'awareness' of where you are in the grand scheme of things... and broadly crapping on people based on stereotypes and stigmas.

Modern software architectures are not due to laziness - they evolve from where people want to spend their energy and the constraints they are working with.

I am happy people are able to take and apply a .NET class with managed memory to do a task verse re-inventing the wheel and creating that many new defects and vulnerabilities... or take an openSSL lib that has had hundreds of thousands of reviewers and auditors over it's time vs some a-hole who thinks he's gods gift to software writing his own keygen because he knows software... but not cryptography.

When I was programming... "High Level Language" meant Fortran! We wrote assembly. No one cares. Appreciate the guy who can solve the problem within the constraints in a reliable, sustainable, time efficient manner. Not think less of him/her because they didn't re-invent the wheel unnecessarily.

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